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Bercow's breakneck pivot from hard-right to soft-left is still one of the most endearing spins I've seen in politics.
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I see hardly any tories have bothered to show up
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Sep 14, 2015 15:51
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forkboy84 posted:It's an utterly terrifying act of spin. How can these people get away with trying to take Labour laws back to the 19th century? I want McDonnell to stand up and verbally eviscerate him...
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Sep 14, 2015 15:52
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Tesseraction posted:Bercow's breakneck pivot from hard-right to soft-left is still one of the most endearing spins I've seen in politics. Is there anywhere I can read about this? I have kind of missed whatever it is that has happened with Bercow. Is it just on the issue of Unions that he comes over to the left, or has he shifted as a whole? e; read not lead
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Sep 14, 2015 15:52
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Venmoch posted:I don't think anyone in the Conservative Party knows what a Union is for or really does. But then again, I'm fairly certain none of them where ever a member of one. I think you'll find most of their top bods were members of the Oxford Union. 
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Sep 14, 2015 15:52
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What are the odds of this passing? It looks like the Tory benches are mostly empty.
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Sep 14, 2015 15:53
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Another Person posted:Is there anywhere I can lead about this? I have kind of missed whatever it is that has happened with Bercow. Is it just on the issue of Unions that he comes over to the left, or has he shifted as a whole? Nothing to hand - I've mostly picked it up from biographical articles on him. But apparently he was part of the Tory hard-right when he entered parliament.
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Sep 14, 2015 15:54
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"People don't strike for the hell of it" "So why strike at all  "
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Sep 14, 2015 15:54
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PiCroft posted:What are the odds of this passing? It looks like the Tory benches are mostly empty. Almost certain. There's not going to be enough Tories willing to rebel against it. They'll turn up when it's time to vote.
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Sep 14, 2015 15:55
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Argh, I hate these fuckwits... "This protects the rights of hard working people!"
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Sep 14, 2015 15:55
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"Strikers get almost no pay while striking and have families to look after, nobody strikes for the hell of it, they strike because they NEED to" 'Yes exactly, striking should be a last resort so this bill is good, I believe that's what the honourable lady is saying' 
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Sep 14, 2015 15:56
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spectralent posted:"People don't strike for the hell of it" "So why strike at all "YouGov says that Londoners voted for these new laws" But Londoners are a bunch of moany wankers who get visibly angry when the bus passes them because its too full.
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Sep 14, 2015 15:56
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PiCroft posted:What are the odds of this passing? It looks like the Tory benches are mostly empty. Most of them wont listen to the arguments, they will swan in later on tonight when its time to vote.
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Sep 14, 2015 15:56
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jacob rees-moggs voice is always a good laugh to listen to everyone must've hated him in school
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Sep 14, 2015 15:56
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Holy gently caress if he says "What I wish to highlight" again I hope someone punches him. You can't highlight the entire text dipshit.
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Sep 14, 2015 15:57
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Venmoch posted:"YouGov says that Londoners voted for these new laws" And then blame the people on the buses, rather than the company that cuts services to increase profits.
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Sep 14, 2015 15:57
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"I realise that a tiny minority of people do these things, but shouldn't we make all our decisions based on them?"
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Sep 14, 2015 15:59
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Another Person posted:jacob rees-moggs voice is always a good laugh to listen to Yes, even by Eton standards Rees-Mogg is a parody of his class.
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Sep 14, 2015 15:59
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"Why is the public sector poo poo" "Because public sector workers are scum" "Aren't you an MP" "I'm a hardworking entrepreneur that gets on (the expenses)" loving armbands. Christ. What will the symbol for trade unionists be? A five pointed loving star?
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Sep 14, 2015 16:00
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Renaissance Robot posted:This week on BBC news: robbits are coming to TEK YER JERBS. This bad because the only way for you to stay alive is to be enslaved to capital. Zephro posted:It obviously isn't true unless you literally believe that human minds are supernatural. Computers create art all the time. Procedurally generated imagery and algorithmically generated music are the obvious examples. That deep dream poo poo also fits as it tends to make people feel a mixture of excitement and repulsion for various reasons. Hell you could even argue about certain photoshop plugins and automation features being machine-art. Of course this all depends on your definition of art. "Sensory stimulus, created by directed action, resulting in an emotional reaction." Seems pretty broad but even some traditional art forms fall outside that.
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Sep 14, 2015 16:01
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Robot chat: they absolutely are coming to take our jobs, and not necessarily just in the areas you'd expect. Obviously things like agriculture, production lines and quality assurance already use automation extensively and are only doing more of it, but areas like healthcare, construction, search and rescue are getting in on it too. Only robotics scientists like me will be safe.
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Sep 14, 2015 16:01
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Tesseraction posted:Nothing to hand - I've mostly picked it up from biographical articles on him. But apparently he was part of the Tory hard-right when he entered parliament. The impression I get is that he came into the commons quite naive/idealistic about politics and has shifted over the years after realising how many people at the top are absolute bastards - this would explain his running for speaker, since the speaker's role (which he has embraced with a lack of bias) is all about pushing the commons to behave as it is supposed to
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Sep 14, 2015 16:01
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I'm not sure I trust anyone that mandates the usage of armbands for identification purposes. 
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Sep 14, 2015 16:02
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Phoon posted:The impression I get is that he came into the commons quite naive/idealistic about politics and has shifted over the years after realising how many people at the top are absolute bastards - this would explain his running for speaker, since the speaker's role (which he has embraced with a lack of bias) is all about pushing the commons to behave as it is supposed to Pretty much. I always maintain that there are two kind of Tory (voter) - the naïve or the evil. Bercow strikes me as the former. His wife likewise *innocent face*
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Sep 14, 2015 16:06
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Verizian posted:Computers create art all the time. Procedurally generated imagery and algorithmically generated music are the obvious examples. That deep dream poo poo also fits as it tends to make people feel a mixture of excitement and repulsion for various reasons. Hell you could even argue about certain photoshop plugins and automation features being machine-art. Of course this all depends on your definition of art. "Sensory stimulus, created by directed action, resulting in an emotional reaction." Seems pretty broad but even some traditional art forms fall outside that. Also depending on your definition of 'create'. Those procedures and algorithms are written by human beings.
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Sep 14, 2015 16:06
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Ahaha holy christ, someone from Eton pipes up and says 'you could say the trade unions are guilty of mis-selling because members don't know what they're buying!' and gets called eloquent. This is the worst, is this actually gonna pass with the tory majority or are there enough rebels to sink it?
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Sep 14, 2015 16:07
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feedmegin posted:Also depending on your definition of 'create'. Those procedures and algorithms are written by human beings. Well you can also create evolutionary algorithms. While a human may have generated the initial code eventually it becomes significantly modified enough to say that the machine is responsible for the output, even if you'd credit the creator for their 'seed' value. Spreading seed jokes go here.
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Sep 14, 2015 16:09
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baka kaba posted:Ahaha holy christ, someone from Eton pipes up and says 'you could say the trade unions are guilty of mis-selling because members don't know what they're buying!' and gets called eloquent. This is the worst, is this actually gonna pass with the tory majority or are there enough rebels to sink it? it will pass
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Sep 14, 2015 16:09
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Another Person posted:it will pass  Alan Johnson just laid a sick burn at least
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Sep 14, 2015 16:11
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Out of interest, why does this thread have such a thing for Stella Creasy? Looking at her bio, it seems like a classic case of privileged background -> Lobbyist / PR Consultant -> political speechwriter -> councillor -> mayor -> Young Fabians -> MP. No "proper job" outside politics - she looks just as much of a careerist as the other leadership candidates were. She was actually employed as a lobbyist too - I would have thought she would be up against the wall for that alone.quote:Born in Sutton Coldfield,[4] she is the daughter of Cambridge graduates Corinna Frances Avril (née Martin, on 26 April 1948) and Philip Charles Creasy M.A., both active Labour Party members; her father is a trained opera singer and her mother a headteacher.[5] Her mother, Corinna, attended St. Margaret's School in Bushey, Hertfordshire before going up to Homerton-cum-Newnham College, Cambridge to read education studies where she graduated with a Bachelor of Education (B.Ed.) degree. Her elder brother, Matthew Henry Creasy (born 1974), is an M.A. (Cantab) and D.Phil. (Oxon) and an academic.[6]
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Sep 14, 2015 16:13
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forkboy84 posted:It's an utterly terrifying act of spin. How can these people get away with trying to take Labour laws back to the 19th century? I'm sure some of the cabinet believe this too.
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Sep 14, 2015 16:14
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Guavanaut posted:I think you'll find that the 19th century was a period of impressive growth for Britain because of the freedom of the workers to innovate, allowing them to escape from their unfortunate poverty (probably created by the previous Labour government) and become wealthy industrialists with fancy hats. At least there were jobs in the 19th century I guess?
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Sep 14, 2015 16:15
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This TU bill is loving tyrannical and the guardian frontpage is still primarily about the number of women in the shadow cabinet
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Sep 14, 2015 16:16
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Jesus the Tories are a slick operation. Constantly reinforcing their own narrative, labour seem to be all at sea. Passionate but a bit useless.
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Sep 14, 2015 16:18
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Phoon posted:This TU bill is loving tyrannical and the guardian frontpage is still primarily about the number of women in the shadow cabinet I'm sorry you're sexist and don't see the fact that Corbyn has an all-male shadow cabinet (apart from a few women chucked into poo poo positions) isn't more important than legislation seeking to further restrict worker rights. 
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Sep 14, 2015 16:18
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Prince John posted:Out of interest, why does this thread have such a thing for Stella Creasy? Looking at her bio, it seems like a classic case of privileged background -> Lobbyist / PR Consultant -> political speechwriter -> councillor -> mayor -> Young Fabians -> MP. No "proper job" outside politics - she looks just as much of a careerist as the other leadership candidates were. She was actually employed as a lobbyist too - I would have thought she would be up against the wall for that alone.
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Sep 14, 2015 16:19
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notaspy posted:Jesus the Tories are a slick operation. Constantly reinforcing their own narrative, labour seem to be all at sea. Passionate but a bit useless. I'm not able to watch, but this shadow cabinet has been put together less than a day. Hardly surprising that they're finding their feet.
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Sep 14, 2015 16:20
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Hahahahaha, "how dare people who have experience with trade unions be allowed to talk about this bill about regulating trade unions". loving prick.
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Sep 14, 2015 16:20
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That was a nice "gently caress off mate" from Bercow on the declarations there.
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Sep 14, 2015 16:21
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notaspy posted:Jesus the Tories are a slick operation. Constantly reinforcing their own narrative, labour seem to be all at sea. Passionate but a bit useless. What can they do? How many people are going to change their minds here?
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