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Thanks. I didn't want to try to practice without knowing what I was supposed to be doing. A lot of my frustration starting out came from the confusing way that commands are codified in the command list, since adjacent direction inputs like [quarter circle][quarter circle] obviously have to be sequential, while google told me that [Kick][Kick][Kick] is simultaneous. I just started playing this (SSF4, not USF4) on xbox360 and am having a lot of fun so far. I'm not very experienced with fighting games, but coming to this from MK9 is a really big and exciting change.
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:Simultaneously with the last directional input of a motion or shortly thereafter. Isn't that wrong? I'm fairly sure it has to be after, not simultaneously.
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It's funny how googling it was not as easy as I expected, either...
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Sep 14, 2015 15:40
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Nev posted:Isn't that wrong? I'm fairly sure it has to be after, not simultaneously. you can press the final direction and the button on the same frame and it works. in fact in games like tekken you have to get the same frame for some moves
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Sep 14, 2015 15:47
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Remind me to never play Tekken... (more about my skill level than a judgement on the game)
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Sep 14, 2015 15:48
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dangerdoom volvo posted:you can press the final direction and the button on the same frame and it works. in fact in games like tekken you have to get the same frame for some moves Weird. I specifically recall looking through the input log in training mode when I was starting out whenever a move didn't come out, just to make sure I didn't press the button at the same time as the forward motion in a qcf, for example. I'm going to have to try this after work, will post again.
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Sep 14, 2015 15:58
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Quarter-circle forward + punch is "supposed" to be down, down/forward, forward+punch. I.e., punch button happens at the same time as the end of the motion. But like Bebop said, there's a pretty fat window between the end of the QCF and when you have to hit punch that's totally allowable, and hitting punch early is more likely to make you screw up, so err toward hitting it later rather than earlier.
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Sep 14, 2015 17:31
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SF1 made you hit the button on the same frame as finishing the motion. It was total hell.
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Sep 14, 2015 17:41
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Brosnan posted:Quarter-circle forward + punch is "supposed" to be down, down/forward, forward+punch. I.e., punch button happens at the same time as the end of the motion. But like Bebop said, there's a pretty fat window between the end of the QCF and when you have to hit punch that's totally allowable, and hitting punch early is more likely to make you screw up, so err toward hitting it later rather than earlier. This actually makes perfect sense. It's only confusing because they show a quarter-circle stick motion in the command list instead of the arrows like they show in input log in training. Second noob question: What is the deal with focus attacks? Are they something I should try to get familiar with as soon as possible, or are they more of an advanced thing that I shouldn't worry about until I have developed some fundamentals and better input consistency?
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Sep 14, 2015 17:50
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Snak posted:Second noob question: What is the deal with focus attacks? Are they something I should try to get familiar with as soon as possible, or are they more of an advanced thing that I shouldn't worry about until I have developed some fundamentals and better input consistency? The second thing. Fundamentals and input execution trump flashy poo poo. I know this because I don't practice fundamentals or input execution and try to do Sako combos in training mode instead. As a result, I get owned hard and am trash tier. I still have fun though! That said, I actually didn't get super comfortable implementing focus attacks/FADCs in real matches until almost a year of playing USF4.
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teagone posted:The second thing. Fundamentals and input execution trump flashy poo poo. I know this because I don't practice fundamentals or input execution and try to do Sako combos in training mode instead. As a result, I get owned hard and am trash tier. I still have fun though! That said, I actually didn't get super comfortable implementing focus attacks/FADCs in real matches until almost a year of playing USF4. I figured, but I wasn't sure if using the armor effect was a good defensive tactic early on. Glad to hear it's not, because holy poo poo this game is complicated.
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Sep 14, 2015 18:02
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Snak posted:This actually makes perfect sense. It's only confusing because they show a quarter-circle stick motion in the command list instead of the arrows like they show in input log in training. Until you can dash cancel your focus attacks consistently, do not use them. They become too unsafe and have too low reward.
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Sep 14, 2015 18:04
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They also only exist in SF4 and SF5 is on the way, so...
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Sep 14, 2015 18:12
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Nev posted:Isn't that wrong? I'm fairly sure it has to be after, not simultaneously. No it isn't wrong.
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Sep 14, 2015 19:29
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Magus42 posted:No it isn't wrong. drat, I just tried it out. You're all correct. I have been playing this game for over four years, now I feel like I don't know up from down anymore.
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Sep 14, 2015 21:22
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Anyone wanna play some matches on steam? Haven't played in a few months so I'm a bit out of practice.
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Sep 14, 2015 21:40
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Partial Octopus posted:Anyone wanna play some matches on steam? Haven't played in a few months so I'm a bit out of practice. http://steamcommunity.com/id/ssixseconds Sure, I'm also a bad. Be warned, my internet isn't the greatest 
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Sep 14, 2015 21:49
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http://steamcommunity.com/id/curex/ hit me up anyone borbo fight me again gimme another chance pls i wont be stupid i promise????
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Sep 15, 2015 04:21
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I would also like to play this game on the steam internets with peoples. http://steamcommunity.com/id/trykt/
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I only play XRD.
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Sep 15, 2015 10:05
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Is Dudley a good character to learn the ropes with? I know Ryu/Ken and Balrog tend to get recommended a lot, but the shotos don't really appeal to me, and while I have tooled around with Balrog some, I like the idea of playing a more mobile punchman.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Is Dudley a good character to learn the ropes with? I know Ryu/Ken and Balrog tend to get recommended a lot, but the shotos don't really appeal to me, and while I have tooled around with Balrog some, I like the idea of playing a more mobile punchman. Definitely not, in my opinion.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Is Dudley a good character to learn the ropes with? I know Ryu/Ken and Balrog tend to get recommended a lot, but the shotos don't really appeal to me, and while I have tooled around with Balrog some, I like the idea of playing a more mobile punchman. Not really. Dudley makes his living off of having great hit confirms off of his normals, but playing him well means you need good execution, good reactions, and the ability to find your combos on the fly. You can play Dudley with simple combos, but you're really crippling yourself. Besides that, he has almost no full screen and few midscreen options, and finding your way into close range is difficult against many characters, especially as a new player.
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Sep 16, 2015 03:05
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 Welp, back to cheating at boxing for me, then!
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:I only play XRD. You played ST with me like last week
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http://steamcommunity.com/id/magicalmako/ Fight me!
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This is probably a stupid question, but I always hear that Makoto is a very difficult character to play. Are there any characters that have similar playstyles but are more beginner-friendly? I've been playing with Ryu and Chun Li and Balrog and they're cool, but Makoto is my  character and I want to build up to her if that's even a thing.
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She's very difficult to play, it took me a few months to get even remotely not awful with her. Seth is kind of like her in that he makes you guess on every knockdown and if you guess wrong a few times, you're pretty wrecked. edit: I went from a completely rear end Guile to Makoto, play what and how you want!
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I'm usually up for some matches and am pretty bad so hit me up if you need a self-esteem boost or something! http://steamcommunity.com/id/LTHobojim/ I'm even worse at KOFXIII!
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Cephas posted:This is probably a stupid question, but I always hear that Makoto is a very difficult character to play. Are there any characters that have similar playstyles but are more beginner-friendly? I've been playing with Ryu and Chun Li and Balrog and they're cool, but Makoto is my You might like Cammy. Not quite the same but still super rushdown. Honestly if you really want to play Makoto just grind it out with her. She's complex but she's not impossible to learn. Here's a pretty decent tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nesydMw-jTU
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 New character REVEAL everyone i hope you love... EL FUERTE! E: video got pulled reuploading. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2YWUh80WFU  nah its karin 
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Sep 17, 2015 07:33
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Finally
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Gootecks made a guide for SF for scrubs like me. It's currently free on Amazon for a limited time. You can find it here: http://www.amazon.com/Simplifying-S...ywords=gootecks
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Himuro posted:Gootecks made a guide for SF for scrubs like me. Oh drat, thanks for this. I read that last book you recommended a few months ago, and I'd like to think it helped a little. I'll give this one a go too.
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The Gootecks guide is pretty good for beginners and covers topics like gaming hardware, Ethernet connection, and getting competitive at a game when the scene is fresh. Not bad for $0.00!
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I don't see a buy or download button anywhere. Is it because I'm on mobile?
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Tips with learning Chun Li, please. I have no idea what I'm doing. Mute the video because the sound is hosed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6gNpmDYMIk
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Himuro posted:Tips with learning Chun Li, please. I have no idea what I'm doing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e42UQy9vNKE
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Himuro posted:Tips with learning Chun Li, please. I have no idea what I'm doing. -Don't jump in unless you got a good reason -Learn your anti-airs (s.mk and cr.mp are good ones) -Poke with s.MP from midrange, you're using s.HK from that range and that move is super slow and duckable. -Don't use spinning bird unless it's in a combo or if you're using EX as a reversal. That should get you in the right direction
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Yeah, I struggle not jumping in with charge characters, because with a regular input character like Ryu or Poison, I always have an option to get someone from getting in my space or an offense. With someone like Chun or Guile, I'm like "oh poo poo, I need do some damage and my charge is taking forever". Definitely an adjustment thing. I like her though.
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