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Dexo posted:The problem with that, which makes me know that it's just racist assholes all the way down is that they didn't do poo poo with the school. They didn't think he had a bomb though and have repeatedly stated that. The kid is charged with making a hoax. You don't have to be personally fooled by hoax to recognize it as such and act accordingly. Still complete bullshit charge though. He's in 9th grade. "Because I thought it was cool and wanted to show off" is a stunning amount of context and self awareness at that age. What did they want him to say? That's the part that gets me. What could he have possibly said during the several hours of interrogation that would not have landed him in jail?
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Kalman posted:You pass out coughing up blood. I administer a hypothetical medication known to treat the most likely causes of that condition. You happen to be allergic and die. Actually, necessary treatment to attempt to save a life. You have no way of knowing allergies based on looking at a bleeding person, so no its not avoidable. A mentally ill woman that the police were well aware of as mentally ill is totally different, panicking because the officers wouldn't deescalate peacefully, ending up dead is the best example of a death that was unnecessary (no one was at risk, the entire situation started from her sliding urine under a door) and completely avoidable (as many people pointed out by simply not escalating and applying pain to someone with no concept of reality). There is no mitigating circumstance here. A woman who confirmed to be mentally ill died as a direct result of actions taken by officers trying to subdue a woman who was delusional by escalating force over and over. In any other setting this would be murder.
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Boris Galerkin posted:the headline almost had me going along side with all the rest fo you, until i read and saw the details. the kid (and/or his parents) are clearly trolling. a clock does not nearly require that large of a pcb, and the coy hh:mm display makes the whole thing look like a timebomb. a simple digital clock is not an impressive feat to show to a teacher, an am/fm radio would be less than half of this pcb and more impressive still. so considering a convenient similarity in appearance i think this family just wanted to be provocative with a perfect cover story. and it was the "high iq" school teachers that despite knowing it was a clock made the call to the cops. cops are in the clear i think. what kid did is equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater, or more closely walking around with a mock flame thrower with only the pilot light operational, and asking people if they wanted marshmellows. yes, i too think it's more likely that the concern trolling muslims are just fishing for a lawsuit so they can live on easy street for the rest of their lives. this is far more likely that racist and paranoid school administrators freaking out about a 14 year old boy's electronic doohickey he brought to school to show his teacher
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Boris Galerkin posted:the headline almost had me going along side with all the rest fo you, until i read and saw the details. the kid (and/or his parents) are clearly trolling. a clock does not nearly require that large of a pcb, and the coy hh:mm display makes the whole thing look like a timebomb. a simple digital clock is not an impressive feat to show to a teacher, an am/fm radio would be less than half of this pcb and more impressive still. so considering a convenient similarity in appearance i think this family just wanted to be provocative with a perfect cover story. and it was the "high iq" school teachers that despite knowing it was a clock made the call to the cops. cops are in the clear i think. what kid did is equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater, or more closely walking around with a mock flame thrower with only the pilot light operational, and asking people if they wanted marshmellows. fosborb posted:What could he have possibly said during the several hours of interrogation that would not have landed him in jail? treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Sep 16, 2015 |
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"schools are too politically correct nowadays. back in my day you could go hunting before school and leave your shotgun in the truck, nobody would care. we let boys fight it out, now they get suspended just for yelling at each other. we didn't need seatbelts, or helmets, or any of this sissy crap - we got bruised when we fell off a bike and we liked it! no participation troph- wait, what? a muslim boy brought a thing that might sort of look like a bomb that he could use to play a prank on his classmates? call 911 right away! we can't tolerate this kind of behavior! it sends the wrong kind of message, and you just can't be too careful nowadays!"
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Sep 16, 2015 17:15
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Boris Galerkin posted:a simple digital clock is not an impressive feat to show to a teacher Yeah, if you're in grad school.
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Sep 16, 2015 17:16
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 What a non-story, kid brings a beeping, hh:mm display having suitcase to school and someone freaks out and thinks its a bomb? Wow, really surprising stuff. Can anyone in this thread honestly tell me their local bomb squad wouldn't be called out for this thing?
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Sep 16, 2015 17:20
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semper wifi posted:Can anyone in this thread honestly tell me their local bomb squad wouldn't be called out for this thing? Sure, the bomb squad was never called out. There you go.
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Sep 16, 2015 17:22
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semper wifi posted:
Sure, if the kid was white it's nbd. Otherwise call it a bomb but don't evacuate the school for the ~potential bomb~ on campus.
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My relatively local bomb squad was called out because of a Night Brite.
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semper wifi posted:
look at the size of the plug. that thing is maybe a foot across. it's only a bomb if you're fundamentally terrified of muslims please don't side with the racist cops, noted racist shitposter semper wifi
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semper wifi posted:
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Dexo posted:Seriously, that thing looks about the size of a powder compact. It's a photo of photo- the thumb belongs to the person holding the photo.
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semper wifi posted:
If it was such a bomb threat, why wasn't the school evacuated? Or the bomb squad called out?
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Sep 16, 2015 17:33
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I believe they ascertained that it wasn't a real bomb very quickly. Hasn't it now come about that they called the police because they thought it was an attempted bomb hoax?
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Sep 16, 2015 17:38
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serious gaylord posted:I believe they ascertained that it wasn't a real bomb very quickly. Hasn't it now come about that they called the police because they thought it was an attempted bomb hoax? yeah, that was the ridiculous post-hoc CYA explanation dreamed up for why they all immediately pissed themselves when they found a clock-like device in a muslim boy's posession "well, WE were scared, so clearly he just built this thing to scare people because obviously we are cool buff cops who dont live in mortal fear of nerdy arab teens"
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Popular Thug Drink posted:yeah, that was the ridiculous post-hoc CYA explanation dreamed up for why they all immediately pissed themselves when they found a clock-like device in a muslim boy's posession Pretty much this. The school realized it goofed and is now trying desperately to spin some damage control.
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Sep 16, 2015 17:43
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serious gaylord posted:I believe they ascertained that it wasn't a real bomb very quickly. Hasn't it now come about that they called the police because they thought it was an attempted bomb hoax? Correct, even though the boy never mentioned a Bomb and told everyone it is a clock. But because if he had hidden it, it could have scared people, ergo, it's a hoax bomb. Even the teacher who called the cops on him said it wasn't a bomb. The kid is still suspended and facing criminal charges.
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He's lucky he wasn't also wearing a Casio F-91.
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Trabisnikof posted:Correct, even though the boy never mentioned a Bomb and told everyone it is a clock. But because if he had hidden it, it could have scared people, ergo, it's a hoax bomb. Its all a bit absurd really isn't it? But still, its a suitcase full of wires that was beeping, you can kind of see how it got to that point. Sometimes even the most intelligent people have very little common sense.
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serious gaylord posted:Sometimes even the most intelligent people have very little common sense. are you talking about the grown adult men hired by the government to accurately assess and control chaoitic situations using their professional judgement, or the 14 year old boy who is the textbook definition of a star wars fan
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serious gaylord posted:Its all a bit absurd really isn't it? But still, its a suitcase full of wires that was beeping, you can kind of see how it got to that point. Sometimes even the most intelligent people have very little common sense. Except it wasn't "found", in fact he gave it to a teacher when they asked about it out of concern. I'm not sure how it ever went past "the confiscation just in case someone else mistakes it" stage.
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I could see confiscating it until the end of the day, telling him to not bring something to school that could be misidentified like that, and then sending him on his way. It's where he got suspended despite never claiming it was a bomb (disproving the idiotic idea that he was trying to pretend it was a bomb to scare people) and the possible criminal charges that it gets terrible. It's pretty clear that those are both there as CYA for the people involved as they want to pretend they didn't overreact and these punishments reflect how SERIOUS he was as a threat.
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Billy Gnosis posted:Except it wasn't "found", in fact he gave it to a teacher when they asked about it out of concern. I've never said they 'found' it though?
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serious gaylord posted:I've never said they 'found' it though? Yes. My point is that he wasn't even in possession of it to make the "hoax" in the first place and he had a reasonable explanation of why he had the device at school. The administration had no reason to think he was trying to start a hoax (and in addition knew from the start it wasn't a bomb) and is covering their rear end now that the story is making the rounds. It would be different if he had the beeping device in his locker or otherwise not on his person.
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Billy Gnosis posted:Yes. My point is that he wasn't even in possession of it to make the "hoax" in the first place and he had a reasonable explanation of why he had the device at school. The administration had no reason to think he was trying to start a hoax and is covering their rear end. Oh most definitely, they've over reacted. Still, bringing a beeping suitcase full of wires into a school. Not the best of ideas, good intentions or not.
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serious gaylord posted:Oh most definitely, they've over reacted. Yeah maybe. But the cops comments etc pretty much prove if he was white it wouldn't have come this far. Edit: Hell I made devices in an electronics class in high school that I was told to make (and needed to have at school to work on to pass the class) that looked closer to a bomb than that. But I'm white. Billy Gnosis fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Sep 16, 2015 |
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serious gaylord posted:Oh most definitely, they've over reacted. It wasn't a beeping suitcase, it was a much smaller case, small enough to fit entirely inside his backpack. It wasn't constantly beeping, it just went off once. Woot, police have decided to drop charges! http://www.dallasnews.com/news/comm...d-hoax-bomb.ece quote:Update at 11:20 a.m. Wednesday: At a press conference this morning, Irving Police Chief Larry Boyd said Ahmed Mohamed was arrested for bringing "a hoax bomb" to school -- and not a clock, as Mohamed said he repeatedly told his teachers. So according to the police it wasn't a clock, it was a hoax bomb, but they're not pressing charges because it was a "naive accident."  That's as much bullshit cya as I think they could cram. I still don't get how they can refuse a kid access to a lawyer, their parents or a phone during an interrogation.
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serious gaylord posted:Oh most definitely, they've over reacted. He's 14 years old.
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serious gaylord posted:Oh most definitely, they've over reacted. i think it's sweet that the boy was naive enough not to realize that he would be singled out and labeled a terrorist for bringing a doohickey to school, and having enough faith in authorities to think that they would immediately recognize him and his actions as harmless. i remember when i was that innocent and thought that adults were all rational and capable actors who were looking out for the common good at least they didn't shoot him
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serious gaylord posted:Oh most definitely, they've over reacted. I did that on many occasions (though I was working on robots). The kid was taking an electronics course. This is the sort of thing you would expect a kid taking an electronics course to bring to school.
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Trabisnikof posted:It wasn't a beeping suitcase, it was a much smaller case, small enough to fit entirely inside his backpack. It wasn't constantly beeping, it just went off once. Is it some sort of specific terminology they have to use? Because if it isn't, thats a bit odd. Like do they have to say it was a hoax because it wasn't an actual explosive device? Its good that they've dropped all charges though. Although the school will most likely still throw the book at him because they've hosed up majorly and have to make a stand now.
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serious gaylord posted:Its all a bit absurd really isn't it? But still, its a suitcase full of wires that was beeping, you can kind of see how it got to that point. Sometimes even the most intelligent people have very little common sense.
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A man who wrote a book about racism in Ferguson got pulled over by my local police going 14 over the speed limit with out of state plates, two open containers, a sack of weed and a five year old in the car. He claims that he was arrested for 'driving while black.' http://m.journalstar.com/news/local...bile_touch=true
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serious gaylord posted:Is it some sort of specific terminology they have to use? thats the term used to describe the offense in the relevant statutes, so yes.
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"Cool clock, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It's what makes America great." https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/644193755814342656
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ayn rand hand job posted:thats the term used to describe the offense in the relevant statutes, so yes. Sadly, Texas law is that crazy: quote:(13) "Hoax bomb" means a device that: So if any cop "thinks" you have a bomb, it is automatically a hoax bomb and you could be facing prison time. Miltank posted:A man who wrote a book about racism in Ferguson got pulled over by my local police going 14 over the speed limit with out of state plates, two open containers, a sack of weed and a five year old in the car. He claims that he was arrested for 'driving while black.' Well, luckily the couple were recording the incident, so that we'll be able to tell. Also you say they were "open containers" but the police didn't charge for that and only list that they found them in the car, is it possible they were found in the trunk? The article you linked doesn't specify. We should probably wait until the video and audio are released before we rush to judgement, right? Isn't that always what we say when police are accused of a crime?
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Raerlynn posted:Actually, necessary treatment to attempt to save a life. You have no way of knowing allergies based on looking at a bleeding person, so no its not avoidable. I didn't see "avoidable" in the definition. And you're telling me using medication is necessary? There's no other ways to treat that situation that run less risk than medication known to trigger allergic shock on a patient where you don't know if they exhibit the allergy? Can't stabilize and treat later after confirming no allergy? The point is "unnecessary" and "brutal" are not the same thing and it's a bad definition. quote:A mentally ill woman that the police were well aware of as mentally ill is totally different, panicking because the officers wouldn't deescalate peacefully, ending up dead is the best example of a death that was unnecessary (no one was at risk, the entire situation started from her sliding urine under a door) and completely avoidable (as many people pointed out by simply not escalating and applying pain to someone with no concept of reality). What part of "it's a bad definition, but that doesn't mean the taser case wasn't brutal treatment" is hard to understand?
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The Mattybee posted:brutal I guess we can chalk you up as bad at English then Dirk the Average posted:You make a terrible analogy. I die from a stroke induced by how stupid your analogy is. Clearly this is also brutal treatment. That's not an analogy (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Kalman posted:I didn't see "avoidable" in the definition. And you're telling me using medication is necessary? There's no other ways to treat that situation that run less risk than medication known to trigger allergic shock on a patient where you don't know if they exhibit the allergy? Can't stabilize and treat later after confirming no allergy? You tell me Kalman. You're the one that setup this hypothetical about administering medicine, not me. It seems unfair for me to have to predict circumstances that you're not describing. Kalman posted:The point is "unnecessary" and "brutal" are not the same thing and it's a bad definition. Stop it. Stop doing the same bullshit thing you've done before in this thread that Semper Wifi, Dead Reckoning, Actorhesus, and others have done. You're nit picking a word and trying to, out of the corner of your mouth, downplay how this was a terrible, horrible murder. Remove the officers and the jail setting. Instead have the exact same sequence of events play out at a hospital. Now again in a private residence. And again in a school. Each and every time this would be called a murder, and I feel rather confident that while the definition doesn't merit the Kalman badge of approval, I can get actual people to agree with me that this is brutality. Stop loving minimizing that they beat and tortured a woman to death who literally didn't understand what was going on around her, who couldn't comply because she was. Not. Sane.
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