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SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

The one dick move about the pistol is that you can't put a silencer on it. The silent pistol is a completely different gun.

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Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
Putting a point in Swimming is fine. It is a very cheap skill to raise.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

SelenicMartian posted:

The one dick move about the pistol is that you can't put a silencer on it. The silent pistol is a completely different gun.

Yeah, it's a better gun once you put every other mod you find on it.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Arivia posted:

Also, one point you should keep in mind Minidust. Deus Ex is a very good, best of all time game - it's like Doom. And like Doom, you'll return to it every year or so as long as computers exist. But also like Doom, you only get to play it the first time once. Don't look at walkthroughs, don't worry about being optimal (although do keep a lot of saves) - just do what you want to do, and see where that takes you. Choice is a huge part of Deus Ex, and aiming to be perfect takes away from that. Just enjoy it.

This, Deus Ex is a really cool open-world game with shooting but also problem solving and crime investigation and general loving around; for its time it felt like a much more real, living, breathing world than almost any other game out there. Its like Grand Theft Auto 4 before GTA4, this really alive feeling version of (90s-2000s lol) New York. (plus other places)

Just wander around and do whats natural. Then you can play through the game later and find out about all the secrets you missed and all the cool augs you didn't use.

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies
I guess I'll spoiler tag this in case you don't want the advice for the first stage I've got:

When Paul offers you one of three guns, take the GEP Gun. You can procure both a sniper rifle and crossbow from the map itself, but the GEP Gun doesn't show up again for a while, so might as well get your "lockpick" now while you can.

If you're playing non-lethally: stick with the PROD. PROD with the PROD. (Just in case though, you're police.) It's a pretty effective way of OHKOing enemies from behind, although you might need to do some save-scumming since those OHKOs from behind never seemed terribly reliable to me. It's a little more reliable if you attack juuuuust above the buttocks, around where the spinal cord would end. Electrify everyone's butts (or break out the baton when the PROD runs out of ammo) and you may not have to kill anyone.

Lastly, this was probably just because I played using Shifter, but one of the NSF goons might have an augment upgrade canister on them, so I dunno, loot everyone, see if whatever mods you have (or don't have) installed slapped on on one of them randomly too - because getting your augments upgraded ASAP makes the game a smoother ride.

And don't pick swimming, 'caaaaause iiiit's faiiiiirlyyyyy uuuuseleeessss~♪

MasterSlowPoke
Oct 9, 2005

Our courage will pull us through
As a new player I'd recommend putting at least one point into swimming. The speed difference is major. You're going to want to explore, and it's not advisable for tourists to wander the canals at slow speeds.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004
Reelism X3 now has a bugfix update available, X3.1.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Shadow Hog posted:

And don't pick swimming, 'caaaaause iiiit's faiiiiirlyyyyy uuuuseleeessss~♪

I'm glad somebody caught that :):hf::)

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

SelenicMartian posted:

The one dick move about the pistol is that you can't put a silencer on it. The silent pistol is a completely different gun.

Especially since you might accidentally upgrade the regular one, only to immediately be given the silent pistol as a mission reward, which completely replaces it.

Also, for the love of all that's holy, get the fast-run/high-jump leg mod, not the move silent one. With fast run, you can also fast-crouch, which gives you the exact same silent movement (and at a higher speed once upgraded) and better running and jumping when stealth isn't a necessity.

Minidust
Nov 4, 2009

Keep bustin'
Awesome, thanks for all the Deus Ex tips guys! Looking forward to really getting into it. :cool:

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.
Deus Ex makes me wish there was a better Matrix game.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Zaphod42 posted:

Deus Ex makes me wish there was a better Matrix game.

Enter the Matrix makes me wish this

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...


Is there a list of all bugs fixed?

TerminusEst13
Mar 1, 2013

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

Is there a list of all bugs fixed?

Crossposting:

Kinsie posted:

Here's a bugfix update...
Reelism X3.1

Code Fixes:
- Removed A_SetSpeed stuff from a secret morph for 1.8.10 compatibility (thanks Anon!)
- Fixed a bug where Barkblasts don't work if an enemy is touching you (Thanks Mak0rz!)
- One of the Quantum Gun's side-effects now vanishes after a while (Thanks Beed28!)
- Readded ZDoom network options menu to the... options menu (Thanks Edward850!)
- Added options for disabling reflective floors and dynamic lights to Reelism Options

Map Fixes:
- Reel Stadium: Fixed a lack of multiplayer starts
- Reel Stadium: Fixed reversed sign floating above the cash register in the gift shop (thanks Anon!)
- JRPGVille: Minor bug fixes to the ruins just before the boss area
- Secret: Various bug fixes, geometry tweaks and gasping at my terrible old level design
- Fort Firestorm: Fixed a bug where two bits of barbed wire at the starting base couldn't be flown over (Thanks Horse Mans!)
- Fort Firestorm: Made the waterfall path slightly less horrific to traverse. It's still a bit of a mess, mind, but it's easier now.
- Planet Eioneus: Fixed bosses cheerfully letting themselves fall off the edge to an easy demise (thanks Anon!)

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

skasion posted:

Enter the Matrix makes me wish this

The little "hacking" minigame dos-like prompt thing in Enter the Matrix was a really cool and novel idea.

Too bad the rest of the game was :mediocre:

This thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKmeltQSck

Its like a mixture of real hacking and a SCUMM adventure game prompt.

Kazvall
Mar 20, 2009

On the subject of cyberpunk type games. Who here played Neocron? (Basically Deus Ex the MMO/The First FPS MMO)

Here's some examples of hacking in Neocron...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTiEm6U_eVc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvg_rI1VgpY

Kazvall fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Sep 16, 2015

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Zaphod42 posted:

The little "hacking" minigame dos-like prompt thing in Enter the Matrix was a really cool and novel idea.

Too bad the rest of the game was :mediocre:

This thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKmeltQSck

Its like a mixture of real hacking and a SCUMM adventure game prompt.

Any mention of hacking minigames makes me miss the Mastermind-esque version from Fallout 3. Was it even in New Vegas?

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.
I only played a tiny bit of Neocron. I was more interested in Everquest at the time, ran around and got lost in Neocron and gave up on it pretty quick.

I actually downloaded it like last year to go poke around for historical purposes, but it was a wasteland.

What was that one team-based FPS mod where you had to go into computer-space (like TRON) to hack computers, while meanwhile other people were running around in real-space shooting each other, so you'd have to like defend somebody while he hacked a terminal? That was a really original idea.

The only thing I can think of is neotokyo but I don't think that was it.

DoombatINC
Apr 20, 2003

Here's the thing, I'm a feminist.





That was Dystopia, and Dystopia was fantastic. It was a better Shadowrun FPS than the actual Shadowrun FPS.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

DoombatINC posted:

That was Dystopia, and Dystopia was fantastic. It was a better Shadowrun FPS than the actual Shadowrun FPS.

Yup, that was it. Recognized the name instantly.

Brilliant concept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6ez9-fGdS0

Kazvall
Mar 20, 2009

DoombatINC posted:

That was Dystopia, and Dystopia was fantastic. It was a better Shadowrun FPS than the actual Shadowrun FPS.

Fat man fist!!!

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Zaphod42 posted:

Yup, that was it. Recognized the name instantly.

Brilliant concept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6ez9-fGdS0

Christ, don't link the 1.0 trailer, link the 1.2 one. :v:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McIMai3GDk8

Last I checked Dys still has a fairly active pugging community if people want to pick it up. It's a great TC.

(Disclaimer: I did QA on it. :v:)

Kazvall
Mar 20, 2009

Beware, everyone who plays is really loving good. The one thing I always loved about Dystopia is the "bloop" sound that happens when you hit someone.

E: We should do a HL1 and 2 mod night again. Like, this week.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
S&I also has an active pugging scene, on that note. Also, Neotokyo is garbage, which is a shame because it's pretty.

Really wish people would bring back Frontline Force and that FLF: Source had gone places. I also wish Firearms Source were actually finished and that Plan of Attack hadn't been stillborn. Also, I miss The Hidden.

e; gently caress, what was the HL1 mod that had crazy poo poo like plasma cannons and stuff alongside more mundane guns like akimbo MP5s? I think it let you wallrun/jump too. It wasn't Action Half-Life/The Specialists/The Opera, it was something else entirely.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Surprise! was always one of my favorite mods. It's just all-out 100% chaos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn7sYadtfmE

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

Zaphod42 posted:

Oh god this sentence hurts me physically.


Stealth is pretty effective but it can be kinda janky because old fashioned, yeah.

Big guns can be kinda rare though, you might not find anything good in the 'big guns' category until halfway through the game.

I would spread your points between pistols and snipers and hacking, but its personal taste.

Don't worry about swimming, its fairly useless.

There are three Heavy Weapons in the game; you can get the GEP gun immediately (though if you don't choose it you have to wait until the third mission or so to get one off an NSF soldier in the airport), you can get the Flamethrower during the second mission from a guard in Castle Clinton, and the Plasma Rifle comes a bit before the half way mark It's in a locked case in the armoury during the escape from UNATCO.

In any case if you miss them it will be a while until you find one laying around in the open.

Edit: You can actually do the game without hacking; I did a no-hacking run where I only used codes or passwords that I discovered prior in that playthrough and there's a real bastardly hidden login that you need to beat the game that you won't even have to think about if you have hacking: In the ocean lab, the login for lowering the bridge to the UC control computer and to log in to that computer is hidden in a datacube in the electrified pool below a drowned MIB corpse. But if you're a newbie just take hacking so you don't have to deal with that kind of stuff

BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Sep 16, 2015

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm
While I really liked both Deus Ex and DX:HR, I never seem to get around to replaying them. Part of it is that I play every open game like this exactly the same way - I become a walking armory. DX1 was the worst example of this. For some of the last levels, I was lugging around drat near every gun in the game. What's that, you say? Your inventory won't hold all of them? You are correct - I would actually progress a bit in a level, dump some gear in a pile, run back to the last pile I abandoned and pick those up, charge forward some more in the level, repeat, etc. Maybe this only happened in one level since you lose the ones on the ground, but I definitely had all the big inventory-hogging guns in the game plus an unhealthy amount of the smaller ones. You never know when you're gonna need that shotgun with max ammo!!!!!

Kazvall
Mar 20, 2009

Lemon Curdistan posted:

S&I also has an active pugging scene, on that note. Also, Neotokyo is garbage, which is a shame because it's pretty.

Really wish people would bring back Frontline Force and that FLF: Source had gone places. I also wish Firearms Source were actually finished and that Plan of Attack hadn't been stillborn. Also, I miss The Hidden.

I miss FLF and Firearms a lot. It's also kind of sad you can't find a decent Empires Mod game these days.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
FLF is still the first thing I think of when I'm asked to think about games with good map design. The chokepoint design on the official maps was awesome.

Klaus88
Jan 23, 2011

Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment
I'd be up for a half life mod madness night!

If my cat hadn't saddled me with a 225 :10bux: repair bill by knocking my computer off my desk, the red little rat bastard. :argh:

Kazvall
Mar 20, 2009

Lemon Curdistan posted:

FLF is still the first thing I think of when I'm asked to think about games with good map design. The chokepoint design on the official maps was awesome.



Whatever this map is called, it's the best.

Jblade
Sep 5, 2006

quote:

e; gently caress, what was the HL1 mod that had crazy poo poo like plasma cannons and stuff alongside more mundane guns like akimbo MP5s? I think it let you wallrun/jump too. It wasn't Action Half-Life/The Specialists/The Opera, it was something else entirely.
Desert Crisis? I remember playing it with some friends once and having a blast, it always kills me that I started playing HL mods too late to play many of the MP ones. I DID play a fuckton of Science and Industry though, that game was just incredible.

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013
A tear down of the sole remaining Pancor Jackhammer, one of the favorite shotguns of early 00s shooters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VKGhqIl4Gw

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Jblade posted:

Desert Crisis? I remember playing it with some friends once and having a blast, it always kills me that I started playing HL mods too late to play many of the MP ones. I DID play a fuckton of Science and Industry though, that game was just incredible.

Yes, that was it! Thanks. DC was awesome and I had a ton of fun with it.

Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.

DoombatINC posted:

That was Dystopia, and Dystopia was fantastic. It was a better Shadowrun FPS than the actual Shadowrun FPS.

There was never a Shadowrun FPS, there was an FPS named, for some reason, Shadowrun.

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

Was Neocron that game that had an exchange rate between in-game currency and USD? Or am I thinking of something else?

Kazvall
Mar 20, 2009

TOOT BOOT posted:

Was Neocron that game that had an exchange rate between in-game currency and USD? Or am I thinking of something else?

There was an in game stock market.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

TOOT BOOT posted:

Was Neocron that game that had an exchange rate between in-game currency and USD? Or am I thinking of something else?

Probably thinking of second life? Or EVE?

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies
Or TF2.

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Diabetes Forecast
Aug 13, 2008

Droopy Only

C.M. Kruger posted:

A tear down of the sole remaining Pancor Jackhammer, one of the favorite shotguns of early 00s shooters:

God, that has such a BEEFY cockback sound. I can only imagine how it firing must have sounded.

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