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Absurd Alhazred posted:Where? Where?! https://medium.com/@MattBors/republican-debate-comics-6a9fff312e5c
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Where? Where?! its buried in the responses to jeb's dumb image 
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:It's not fascist. Fascism is a very specific thing. It is conservatism. Thomas Jefferson was fiercely opposed to judicial power and he was no fascist. Laws being influenced/dictated by religion is 100% standard conservatism that existed long before fascism was dreamed up. yeah, I think the closest thing to fascism up there was trump, and thats a word I dont throw around lightly
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Brannock posted:What happened with Trump's request that CNN donate all profits from the debate to charity? As far as I can tell, they simply ignored it and pretended it didn't happen.
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my bony fealty posted:where can I get some of that superweed that killed Carly's kid? Carly's daughter was a bulimic who died an alcoholic addicted to legally prescribed medication at the age of 35 because they "couldn't get doctors to understand" that she needed help and then they let her move across the country from them. That's according to Carly Fiorina's own book. I didn't expect anyone last night to know what they were talking about and wasn't disappointed but pretty messed up to make poo poo up and use her kid's death like that on stage. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Sep 17, 2015 |
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Sep 17, 2015 18:43
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This is a discussion from a few pages ago, but the fundamental difference between neoconservatism and fascism is that neoconservatives believe their system of life and government is the greatest in the world, and must be spread to countries less fortunate. Meanwhile, fascists believe that their system of life and government is in decay and undesirable elements must be purged before it can be made great again. If you think about it, neoconservatism would be the natural evolution of a successful fascist government.
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Superweed is a gateway drug that leads to your stepmom destroying HP
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Sep 17, 2015 18:45
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Quote of the day, “Well I thought I was treated fairly. I thought I was on too much. I felt badly for everybody else. Every question had to do with me. Even the first characters, I mean, everything was about Trump. And then they go into this debate and there was split screens all over the place. I’ve never seen anything like it. It was a little bit unfair to a lot of other people, frankly. But from my standpoint, I was treated fairly.” ~ Donald Trump
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “Well I thought I was treated fairly. I thought I was on too much. I felt badly for everybody else. Every question had to do with me. Even the first characters, I mean, everything was about Trump. And then they go into this debate and there was split screens all over the place. I’ve never seen anything like it. It was a little bit unfair to a lot of other people, frankly. But from my standpoint, I was treated fairly.” ~ Donald Trump That's why he thought he was treated fairly--because it was all about him.
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JT Jag posted:If you think about it, neoconservatism would be the natural evolution of a successful fascist government. Except that the core belief of neoconservatism is a violent opposition to autocracy.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “Well I thought I was treated fairly. I thought I was on too much. I felt badly for everybody else. Every question had to do with me. Even the first characters, I mean, everything was about Trump. And then they go into this debate and there was split screens all over the place. I’ve never seen anything like it. It was a little bit unfair to a lot of other people, frankly. But from my standpoint, I was treated fairly.” ~ Donald Trump I have no idea why we bothered to have elections without donald trump.
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Schnorkles posted:I think especially with Strauss you have to look more to people who follow him [Wolfowitz(sp?) and such] to actually see people trying to apply it to create political outcomes. The part that I would assert is that Schmitt, in particular, creates a foreign policy around his concept of enemy and the resulting struggle with said enemy that does a very good job in encapsulating how the W white house went about trying to deal with terrorism abroad. Fair. I would only say that I think it's an open question to what extent Wolfowitz et al were correct in their understanding of Strauss - I tend to think they were less close to his thought and drawing more from other places. And I do agree that Schmitt can be used pretty accurately in a descriptive sense for some of the stuff coming out of the Bush administration, I'm just not sure how much it was explicitly Schmittian. Anyway. Regarding Jeb!, I think his defense of his brother is probably pretty low on the list of problems with his candidacy right now. I think the Republican base is probably much more OK with the Bush legacy than we are here, and I think anyone who hated him enough to be bothered by Jeb's defense of W probably wouldn't have voted for Jeb anyway, so it's kind of a moot point. His deeper problem is he can't stop loving up.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:its buried in the responses to jeb's dumb image LOL, thanks! Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “Well I thought I was treated fairly. I thought I was on too much. I felt badly for everybody else. Every question had to do with me. Even the first characters, I mean, everything was about Trump. And then they go into this debate and there was split screens all over the place. I’ve never seen anything like it. It was a little bit unfair to a lot of other people, frankly. But from my standpoint, I was treated fairly.” ~ Donald Trump You keep using that word, "fair". I don't think it means what you think it means.
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Are people just cutting and pasting RNC talking points about Fiorina? I've seen several articles now calling her performance 'bravura'. That can't be a coincidence
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Sep 17, 2015 18:54
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This is sort of a brilliant response though because now Fox News will try even harder to frame the debates around shutting Trump down thinking "Huh he's not pressured to drop out yet HARDER HARDER!!!" giving him more attention fuel so he never has to actually know anything or have an actual response to any issue (not the other candidates were particularly great in this respect) and can keep just making acidic responses.
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Sep 17, 2015 18:56
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Good Citizen posted:Are people just cutting and pasting RNC talking points about Fiorina? I've seen several articles now calling her performance 'bravura'. That can't be a coincidence She landed the best line against Trump of the campaign so far and spent the rest of the time articulating policies that are broadly popular with Republicans. Not hard to understand why she's getting praise today.
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Joementum posted:Except that the core belief of neoconservatism is a violent opposition to autocracy. Joementum posted:She landed the best line against Trump of the campaign so far and spent the rest of the time articulating policies that are broadly popular with Republicans.
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Sep 17, 2015 19:00
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has the sixth fleet been shrunk by budget cuts to any degree or was that totally out of left field?
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JT Jag posted:Only if you believe that seeking to spread democracy specifically is a prerequisite towards being a neoconservative, rather than spreading your own "national values" and widening your countries' hegemony in a general sense. Yes it is a specific component of the neocon worldview "gosh golly generic western democracy that votes the right way should be everywhere!" You take that part out of it, and well, you're not really talking about neoconservatives anymore, as opposed to, say, older ones who just cared about "you ain't gonna let any commies in right son?"
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I sincerely hate this guy even more than Cruz.
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Neo Rasa posted:This is sort of a brilliant response though because now Fox News will try even harder to frame the debates around shutting Trump down thinking "Huh he's not pressured to drop out yet HARDER HARDER!!!" giving him more attention fuel so he never has to actually know anything or have an actual response to any issue (not the other candidates were particularly great in this respect) and can keep just making acidic responses. I legitimately wonder whether they're ever going to figure out that this strategy doesn't work on Trump JT Jag posted:Only if you believe that seeking to spread democracy specifically is a prerequisite towards being a neoconservative, rather than spreading your own "national values" and widening your countries' hegemony in a general sense. That's maaaaaybe true in principle but an irrelevant distinction in an American political context, or when talking about any actually-existing neocons. I mean just generally talking about neoconservatives who are not committed to some understanding of Western democratic norms is kind of strange. I'm not sure whether that exists in any meaningful sense. Bob Ojeda fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Sep 17, 2015 |
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JT Jag posted:Only if you believe that seeking to spread democracy specifically is a prerequisite towards being a neoconservative Yes, that's what the word "neoconservative" means (when the spreading is done by force and unilaterally, if necessary). We have other words we can use to describe other ideologies.
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Joementum posted:Yes, that's what the word "neoconservative" means (when the spreading is done by force and unilaterally, if necessary). We have other words we can use to describe other ideologies. Wait, so the whole overthrowing democratically elected governments to replace them with governments more sympathetic to the US wasn't a neocon thing? I thought that was a neocon thing. Was that just a traditional conservative thing then or what? Also, the meaning has obviously shifted over time, but wasn't it originally social democrats with a war boner and a hatred of hippies and their moral degeneracy? The whole "formerly liberals/socialists" was kind of a defining feature of neoconservatism from what I understand. But let's be honest, that's wikipedia level depth of understanding from me. I don't think I've ever read anything particularly pro-democracy about it (so much as anti-communism) GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Sep 17, 2015 |
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Joementum posted:Cheney was about to insist that the Bush administration had been prepared to stop a terrorist attack on every 9/11, then realized that there was that one huge exception I'm no mathematician, but to be fair to Cheney the odds that an attack would occur in 2001, the one year they weren't ready on 9/11, are probably astronomically low!
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Joementum posted:She landed the best line against Trump of the campaign so far and spent the rest of the time articulating policies that are broadly popular with Republicans. The RNC is trying to prop her up against Trump because she'd be so much easier to backstab and take out (and give Jeb! the nom) if she somehow stumped the Trump. Not gonna happen but its funny as gently caress watching the RNC and the Rove/Ailes types continue to do whatever they can to break Trump.
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Sep 17, 2015 19:12
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this gif reminds of Mario 64 when you could contort Mario's face during the intro
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GlyphGryph posted:Wait, so the whole overthrowing democratically elected governments to replace them with governments more sympathetic to the US wasn't a neocon thing? I thought that was a neocon thing. Was that just a traditional conservative thing then or what? Well, a democratic election that produces an authoritarian regime can't be truly Democratic, right?
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Immortan posted:The RNC is trying to prop her up against Trump because she'd be so much easier to backstab and take out (and give Jeb! the nom) if she somehow stumped the Trump. Not gonna happen but its funny as gently caress watching the RNC and the Rove/Ailes types continue to do whatever they can to break Trump. it's true... and even funnier because most of the conservative base websites (Breitbart/Drudge etc) are calling Trump the out and out winner, and Jeb a mega loser
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Carly is like a karate sparring robot. She seems like a competent fighter, but if she was anywhere other than a debate that's actively hostile to reality and started looking dangerous you can recite like 4 lines about HP and unplug her. Almost every candidate on that stage has a statement, policy stance or personal flaw that would do this in a general election and it's getting a little silly how unconcerned everyone is about general electability on that side.
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GlyphGryph posted:Wait, so the whole overthrowing democratically elected governments to replace them with governments more sympathetic to the US wasn't a neocon thing? I thought that was a neocon thing. Was that just a traditional conservative thing then or what? It's difficult to say which one was the best solution. You know, besides "not meddling in the Middle East in the first place", but that was never really an option for the United States the moment someone struck oil.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzDy_BK-WlI
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Rocks posted:this gif reminds of Mario 64 when you could contort Mario's face during the intro You mean like this? Also, Jeb could have made this about him really being too strong to bribe on casinos despite Trump's decades of trying, and Trump lying about it in the bargain, but instead it's going to be about him starting to stand up for his wife, then backing off.
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the best part of the debate in my opinion was Trump's zinger about Rand Paul's looks during the first 90 seconds of the debate. I laughed so hard out loud at that. The rest of it was pretty boring and garbage IMO "I never attacked him on his look and believe me, there is plenty of subject matter right there. That I can tell you." 
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I actually think Carly Fiorina's plastic surgeons have done a pretty good job. But I certainly don't want to watch that poo poo deteriorate over 8 years.
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JT Jag posted:Only if you believe that seeking to spread democracy specifically is a prerequisite towards being a neoconservative, rather than spreading your own "national values" and widening your countries' hegemony in a general sense. There's not much point in talking about it in a general sense when it's an exclusively American ideology though. GlyphGryph posted:Wait, so the whole overthrowing democratically elected governments to replace them with governments more sympathetic to the US wasn't a neocon thing? I thought that was a neocon thing. Was that just a traditional conservative thing then or what? It's a traditional "powerful country projecting force to further its interests" thing. It's just a softer form of imperialism that goes way back. While furthering the cause of liberty and promoting democracy etc. etc. was often used as an excuse, it wasn't until Reagan got into power that neoconservatism became an actual powerful political force and, terrifyingly, the people making decisions actually believed their own bullshit. Bryter fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Sep 17, 2015 |
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I mean, poo poo, Romney was haunted by "self deport" all the way to the end. And that seems positively progressive compared to most of their stances on immigration. And other than Trump, that's likely not even the same topic that will dog these other people. We've got amazing stances and statements on just about anything you can think of and a lot of them would horrify a general elecorate.
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the other funny idiot Jeb moment was when Trump said his code word would be "humble" and Jeb was just like "GOOD ONE! *SNORT*" Jeb really is just a lovely little brother
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Bryter posted:It's a traditional "powerful country projecting force to further its interests" thing. It's just a softer form of imperialism that goes way back. It wasn't until Reagan got into power that neoconservatism became an actual powerful force, and the terrifying thing about it is they actually believe their own bullshit.
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