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skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Race Realists posted:

ugh, NOW you assholes start shittalking sybex... :smith:

To clarify, my comment is directed at the Microsoft books. I'm unfamiliar with their Cisco or CompTIA stuff

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Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

BaseballPCHiker posted:

Earlier I was bitching about my N+ and A+ expiring soon even though I got a CCNA in the interim. Well I decided to just start studying for the Security+ to keep them current plus it's nice to have I suppose. I bought the Darrel Gibson book and so far so good. Going to schedule it for the end of the month, I have to pass before 9/30 to stay current with everything.

Anything to especially focus on? So far it seems like a lot of common sense and memorizing vocab.

There's a chart of the 15 or so most common ports. Memorize that.

Other than that, you're on the right track, make sure you know what smishing is.

gooby pls
May 18, 2012



And vishing, and bluesnarfing, and man traps. So many man traps.

Japanese Dating Sim
Nov 12, 2003

hehe
Lipstick Apathy

BaseballPCHiker posted:

Anything to especially focus on? So far it seems like a lot of common sense and memorizing vocab.

Not really. The depth of knowledge that they expect is basically, when given a list of acronyms, identify which you would use to accomplish X (Encryption! Hashing! Authentication!) etc.

Also know your RAID arrays: know what each one does, what it's best used for, and how many disks it requires, etc.

Very easy cert all-in-all.

Danith
May 20, 2006
I've lurked here for years

skipdogg posted:

Yeah, like I mentioned before the books are not enough to pass these exams. A book that covered 100% of everything you need to know would be 3,000 pages.

If this was your first time taking a Microsoft Exam just experiencing the test format for the first time is worth it. Now you know how things are going to look and what to expect, you can better prepare next time.

edit: I just looked at the book you linked. Personally I don't have a high opinion of anything Sybex publishes and tend to avoid their titles.

Ya, when I was looking for a book this one was recommended I think.. anyways not really impressed with it. I have a hard time just memorizing random commands and boy does Microsoft love their random commands. Now I'm trying to decide if I really want to pursue the cert.

MrBigglesworth
Mar 26, 2005

Lover of Fuzzy Meatloaf

Ashley Madison posted:

I just ordered the CCNA data centre 640-911 text book by Odom after going through my Sybex/Lammele book a few times. Will report on how effect they are if I pass :v:

I am studying that now myself. There is a LOT of overlap with CCNA R&S on 640-911. Very few real differences in how NXOS operates.

Doing stuff like IP addresses is easier as you can do a / notation

10.0.0.1/24 instead of 255.255.255.0 for instance.

Some VRF management stuff.

Applying EIGRP or OSPF is also easier than in IOS as well.

feature eigrp (enables its use)
router eigrp 1
Interface whatever, eth or vlan
ip router eirgrp 1

No more network statements or ospf reverse mask info, just for ospf you still specify an area.

Just apply it to the interface you want it to talk on!

Yeast Confection
Oct 7, 2005
Agreed! Routing in NX-OS is dead simple and pleasing to work with. I was surprised by how little there is to practice command-wise.

Quick glance through the Odom 640-911 book looks like he spends a very long time on classful subnetting, which Lammele seemed to boil down more efficiently. I'll be combing through it this weekend.

My old Cisco prof came to the rescue and gave me his extra set of Cisco press CCNA DC books (he works as a technical reference now and then). Happy about that because they're expensive and the DCICT text is a whopping 1000 pages thick!

e: phone postin

Yeast Confection fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Sep 9, 2015

icehewk
Jul 7, 2003

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!
Woo! Passed ICND2 with an 890! :yotj:

crunk dork
Jan 15, 2006
gently caress YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Japanese Dating Sim
Nov 12, 2003

hehe
Lipstick Apathy
Sweet deal. How'd you study? Did you buy any equipment? My studying's kinda stalled out because I'm wanting to buy a couple of switches and routers to do all the stuff for real. I'm not so sure GNS3 would be the best thing for me (plus the whole switching thing).

crunk dork
Jan 15, 2006

Japanese Dating Sim posted:

Sweet deal. How'd you study? Did you buy any equipment? My studying's kinda stalled out because I'm wanting to buy a couple of switches and routers to do all the stuff for real. I'm not so sure GNS3 would be the best thing for me (plus the whole switching thing).

You probably already know this but catalyst 2950s are dirt cheap on eBay, and 2621 routers are pretty cheap too.

I found myself using Packet Tracer more for ICND2 and the combo of GNS3, actual hardware, and Pearson Vue's NetSim for ICND1.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal
I now have a stack of 2 2950 switches, a 2811 router, and a 2821 router for studying CCNA Security.

The only useful thing I've used it for over the packet tracer is running through rommon for password recovery, and playing with CCP. When I want to test or practice a configuration I spin it up in packet tracer because it's seriously faster, easier, more versatile, and more visual when something doesn't work correctly.

I wouldn't worry about physical equipment until ccnp.

icehewk
Jul 7, 2003

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!

Japanese Dating Sim posted:

Sweet deal. How'd you study? Did you buy any equipment? My studying's kinda stalled out because I'm wanting to buy a couple of switches and routers to do all the stuff for real. I'm not so sure GNS3 would be the best thing for me (plus the whole switching thing).

Didn't buy any equipment. Used Lammle's book, GNS3Vault (there's topics from the older CCNA version though) for labs and Packet Tracer for custom scenarios. Locating the correct GNS3 version to pair with labs found online was a chore. GNS3 Workbench is decent if you can spin up a Linux VM. I bought Chris Bryant's video series but found out that video learning doesn't work for me. His study guides are $10 for the pair and are basically what he goes through in his videos. I bought the one for ICND2 and it broke all the topics down really well. Labbing made everything click, so do that however you can.

Japanese Dating Sim
Nov 12, 2003

hehe
Lipstick Apathy
I guess I need to just sit down and mess with GNS3 some more, then. I've got a CBT Nuggets subscription and the Lammle book. CBT Nuggets has a course for GNS3 & CCNA that I should probably be using.

I was afraid I wouldn't get everything I needed to learn about switching down, since the closest thing you can do for a Cisco switch is to get a Cisco router on GNS3 with a switching module, AFAIK. Cioara is real big on telling people to buy equipment and he kinda convinced me.

crunk dork
Jan 15, 2006

Japanese Dating Sim posted:

I guess I need to just sit down and mess with GNS3 some more, then. I've got a CBT Nuggets subscription and the Lammle book. CBT Nuggets has a course for GNS3 & CCNA that I should probably be using.

I was afraid I wouldn't get everything I needed to learn about switching down, since the closest thing you can do for a Cisco switch is to get a Cisco router on GNS3 with a switching module, AFAIK. Cioara is real big on telling people to buy equipment and he kinda convinced me.

If you can afford it, it won't hurt. My dumb idiot brain is broken and works better with real appliances instead of virtual ones when learning things sometimes. I'm also 11 years old.

MrBigglesworth
Mar 26, 2005

Lover of Fuzzy Meatloaf

crunk dork posted:

You probably already know this but catalyst 2950s are dirt cheap on eBay, and 2621 routers are pretty cheap too.

I found myself using Packet Tracer more for ICND2 and the combo of GNS3, actual hardware, and Pearson Vue's NetSim for ICND1.

Packet Tracer is all you need for CCNA R&S really. At least for me I did not see a need for anything more.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

icehewk posted:

I bought Chris Bryant's video series but found out that video learning doesn't work for me. His study guides are $10 for the pair and are basically what he goes through in his videos. I bought the one for ICND2 and it broke all the topics down really well.

Ugh I was so disappointed with his CCNA security video course. It didn't cover any real terms, vocab, or concepts. It was 100% configuration overview.
It's nice, but supplementary at best.

I did the Laz Diaz CCNA r&s video course and it was extremely encompassing for topics, concepts, terms, and labs. If only he wasn't so loving annoying.

CheeseSpawn
Sep 15, 2004
Doctor Rope
Anyone have ine access pro pass? I'm on the fence on getting it for a few months.

It seems like ine is trying to sell the pass over buying individual courses and material or am I reading the benefits incorrectly?

1000101
May 14, 2003

BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY FRUITCAKE!

CheeseSpawn posted:

Anyone have ine access pro pass? I'm on the fence on getting it for a few months.

It seems like ine is trying to sell the pass over buying individual courses and material or am I reading the benefits incorrectly?

AAP is a subscription so they're probably motivated to get you onboard. That said I was pretty happy with mine. Depending on the track the videos are pretty informative.

What you looking at studying?

CheeseSpawn
Sep 15, 2004
Doctor Rope

1000101 posted:

AAP is a subscription so they're probably motivated to get you onboard. That said I was pretty happy with mine. Depending on the track the videos are pretty informative.

What you looking at studying?

The CCIE SPv4 coursework but it'll be a little overkill for what I need. I'm looking to take SPCORE/SPEDGE to upgrade my old CCIP to CCNP:SP by the end of next month.
I work with 9922/9010 ASRs with a tier1 provider. I obviously cant screw with production routers but it's good practice to trace out things with. I'd really like to mess around with INE's labs and use their vids as topic overviews.

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

As far as job searching and adding to my resume, just how useful is the CCENT itself? I, of course, plan on going to get my full CCNA but it will probably be some time between getting the CCENT and being prepared to actually take the ICND2.

I ask because I'm really trying to get my foot in the door in IT (I work retail now. Everything I'm doing is entirely self taught / from books / online sources) and I"m desperately hoping this will get me something more on paper than just the A+ I already have.

MrBigglesworth
Mar 26, 2005

Lover of Fuzzy Meatloaf
Get the CCENT out of the way at least...will show you have an interest on continuing that path and then its just one more test for CCNA.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal
Look for an msp, they love hiring inexperienced guys with a few certs. Ccent and a+ will definitely get you on the front lines of hell desk and the rest is up to you.

During your first two years of experience make sure to finish that CCNA and dive in to any other certs you want for specialization, and then you'll be ready to jump in to a Jr admin role

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
Looking at Keith Barker's N10-006 course.

CHRIST theres nearly a hundred videos on here :stare:

it seems to me CompTIA may have went a little crazy with this version. Maybe they hired the same guy who made the 70-410 MCSA test? :haw:

crunk dork
Jan 15, 2006
Anyone else used the uCertify provided by WGU for their Linux+ classes? The end of chapter quizzes and exercises are asking questions about stuff that isn't in the text anywhere.... Maybe I need a supplementary book?

CapMoron
Nov 20, 2000
Forum Veteran
gently caress Transcender practice Microsoft tests. I'm trying to score above 90% so my WGU mentor will let me schedule the real test, and the stupid command line questions keep loving me over. I get the command perfectly, but since the switches aren't in the exact order that the test wants, I get it marked wrong. If I use that command in real life, it doesn't loving matter what order I put the switches in.

The actual Microsoft exams don't have you typing in commands, right? I've heard it's just either select them from multiple choice or drag and drop components.

CapMoron
Nov 20, 2000
Forum Veteran

crunk dork posted:

Anyone else used the uCertify provided by WGU for their Linux+ classes? The end of chapter quizzes and exercises are asking questions about stuff that isn't in the text anywhere.... Maybe I need a supplementary book?

The uCertify material they provided me for Network+ was the same crap. All of the "labs" had stuff that they hadn't covered yet, or didn't cover anywhere in the whole course (not to mention some healthy Engrish like grammar). I ended up using Mike Meyer's All-In-One guide for the Network+.

I seem to remember the uCertify quizzes were mostly OK for me though, just the lovely labs.

dox
Mar 4, 2006
I am MCSA: Windows Server 2012 R2 certified!

I began this journey back in November 2014, passing the 70-410, 70-411, and 70-412 along the way. I failed both the 70-410 and 70-412 each once by one question (682/700), and retook them both the following day with a passing mark. Note that you can now take the Office 365 Identities exam instead of the 70-412 for the MCSA: Windows Server (I should have done this).

My background is that I started off as a Tier1 desktop tech (new setups, troubleshooting, on site) for a small business MSP back in July 2013, having no previous Windows Server experience. After 6 months, I got my Network+ and then September 2014 decided I wanted to go for the MCSA. I started moving into a more Tier2 and project-focused role mainly setting up new servers, infrastructure and doing migrations (365, file server, etc) which definitely helped me get real world experience with a variety of concepts on the exams.

I built a ESX whitebox to learn ESX and to use for my Windows labbing. I spent way too much time in there, but in the end it gave me a lot of experience both real world for day to day at my job, and for the exams. I also used the Virtual Labs for things that were difficult to lab on one host (i.e. Failover Clustering, NLB)

Now, having passed the exams... I wouldn't recommend heading down this route unless you really want to work with Microsoft technology. In my opinion, the tests do not seem to test heavily enough on real world skills. Some of the concepts are definitely helpful, but others like being able to decipher which Powershell syntax to use isn't necessarily useful when you can use Get-Help/Google.

The materials I used were the CBT Nuggets videos, the Microsoft Exam Reference, the Sybex study guide, and the Official Academic Course study guide. Out of all of these, the CBT and Sybex guide were the most useful. If you guys have any questions, let me know.

Glad to finally have this over with, moving onto networking and the CCENT next.

dox fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Sep 16, 2015

Yeast Confection
Oct 7, 2005
Nice work! :yotj: Keep that train rollin'

Yeast Confection
Oct 7, 2005
Going through the official Cisco text for CCNA data centre 640-911 and it talks about TWO TCP/IP layer models in addition to the OSI model.

The only difference between the two is that Layer 1 and 2 are called the "Link" layer on the older one (4 layers), and the newer one (5 layers) goes back to calling them Physical and Data Link. Why not just skip to the end and only talk about the 5-layer model. Cisco :psyboom:

E: Lammelle's text only refers to the 4-layer TCP/IP model.

MJP
Jun 17, 2007

Are you looking at me Senpai?

Grimey Drawer
My SIL was toying with getting into IT but realized it wasn't for her. She got the most recent Mike Myers book, covering both A+ exams, at least the 220-801 and -802. Anyone wanna buy it? Great shape, no marks, no folds, any included stuff still included. I'll meet Amazon's price of $30 shipped.

ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006

Who nico nico needs anyone else

Ashley Madison posted:

Going through the official Cisco text for CCNA data centre 640-911 and it talks about TWO TCP/IP layer models in addition to the OSI model.

The only difference between the two is that Layer 1 and 2 are called the "Link" layer on the older one (4 layers), and the newer one (5 layers) goes back to calling them Physical and Data Link. Why not just skip to the end and only talk about the 5-layer model. Cisco :psyboom:

E: Lammelle's text only refers to the 4-layer TCP/IP model.

I didn't know that they still brought up the DoD model and such. I found it useful to help remember what was happening at which layers of the OSI model when I was first getting into networking. Between that a mnemonic device for the actual layers, OSI managed to cement itself into my brain.

crunk dork
Jan 15, 2006
All People Seem To Need Data Processing

Yeast Confection
Oct 7, 2005
Bottom to top mnemonics: People Didn't Need Those Stupid Packets Anyway, Please Do Not Throw Sausage Pizza Away

ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006

Who nico nico needs anyone else
Other than the completely inappropriate ones, I was always a fan of: Please Do Not Teach Stupid People Anything

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost
Inappropriate ones are by far the most memorable for some reason though.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
Always Poop Sitting on the Toilet. Never Double Poop.

Japanese Dating Sim
Nov 12, 2003

hehe
Lipstick Apathy

ChubbyThePhat posted:

Other than the completely inappropriate ones, I was always a fan of: Please Do Not Teach Stupid People Anything

This is my new favorite.

Ratmtattat
Mar 10, 2004
the hairdryer

All People Say They Never Download Porn

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Roargasm
Oct 21, 2010

Hate to sound sleazy
But tease me
I don't want it if it's that easy

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Always Poop Sitting on the Toilet. Never Double Poop.

forever and always

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