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Keeshhound posted:So Flash can see the explosions happening, and avoid them. But he can't see Deathstroke point his sword behind him at normal (for comics) human speed? Like, it doesn't matter that he's predicting where Flash will go, the only way this plan works, even contained to just this scene and ignoring all other depictions, is for Flash to see the sword pointing backwards and still decide to run into it. This Flash is actually Hal Jordan. It's the only way to explain that.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:This Flash is actually Hal Jordan. It's the only way to explain that. Also, he's standing less than a meter away from three high energy explosions. Even if they're shaped charges, he's pretty much positioned himself inside of a triangle of bonfires, wearing full body spandex. God, he must smell rank by the end of that issue. Like, "bacon left in the back of a sedan for the entirety of July in Arizona," stank.
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Keeshhound posted:So Flash can see the explosions happening, and avoid them. But he can't see Deathstroke point his sword behind him at normal (for comics) human speed? Like, it doesn't matter that he's predicting where Flash will go, the only way this plan works, even contained to just this scene and ignoring all other depictions, is for Flash to see the sword pointing backwards and still decide to run into it. See the thing is Identity Crisis is a bad comic. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Sep 18, 2015 |
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Sep 18, 2015 02:37
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As a counterpoint (not to truly defend IC), it's kinda conceptually difficult to have a villain that can take down Flash that isn't a speedster if they're assuming his perceptive powers are also superfast- it's the typical Superman problem.
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Even ignoring the conceptual problems of the Flash stuff, that fight is the definition of an author indulging in his fantasy to the detriment of the narrative.
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I'll definitely grant that presenting fights with heroes like the Flash or Superman is a really tricky challenge, but I find myself questioning if having Deathstroke fight Flash was really vital to the story in the first place (full disclosure, I have not read Identity Crisis.) It seems to me like one of the first things you need to do when storyboarding a fight scene is to make sure that the combatants are a reasonable matchup in the first place, and if they aren't, you need to be very careful that it doesn't become a case of obvious writer fiat. That's why Batman does not, as a general rule, wind up fighting Darkseid one on one, and why when he does he never wins by just punching him until he cries uncle. And for the same reason, why Hawkeye has never (to my knowledge) been in a ten round cage match with Galactus.
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Keeshhound posted:Hawkeye has never (to my knowledge) been in a ten round cage match with Galactus. Kate could take him.
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Sep 18, 2015 06:05
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If Flash can't think as fast as he moves it must really suck to just be running into/through walls/people all the time because his eyes can't process the information fast enough to let hiim move out of the way.
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Keeshhound posted:Hawkeye has never (to my knowledge) been in a ten round cage match with Galactus. Well not on his own but with his good pals Phoenix Wright and Mike Haggar he can take Big G down in the story mode of Marvel vs Capcom 3.
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The speed of thought thing is usually a handwaved narrative convenience, like most of the elements of flash and superman- but that narrative convenience needs to move both ways. The plot of IC was such that they needed someone who could gimmick their way out of individual Justice League heavies, then be dragged down by several justice league members at once to hit the next story beat. Given the other really horrible things that IC did, the contrivance of "non-speedster/wizard/psychic able to do anything against the Flash" is really the very last thing to complain about. edit: the hawkeye/galactus thing is a great exemplar of the difference in companies at this point- I could totally see that being contrived up as a joke, whereas DC...and especially IC...it would end badly.
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Sep 18, 2015 06:43
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That fight is a good example of why Marv Wolfman was always writing Wally West out of Teen Titans.
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Superheroes getting owned by semi-regular guy villains is great, much like godlike supervillains getting owned by Batman or Captain America.
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The Flash can at least stop instantly otherwise deathstroke would have gotten turned into a pink mist.
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Toshimo posted:Kate could take him. Omg, now I'm picturing a Kate/Squirrel Girl team up!
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TwoPair posted:Mike Haggar The man who wrestled so hard they made him Mayor 
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TwoPair posted:Well not on his own but with his good pals Phoenix Wright and Mike Haggar he can take Big G down in the story mode of Marvel vs Capcom 3. Well, yeah. If I had Mike Haggar backing me up, I could probably take down Galactus. That's just science.
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Keeshhound posted:Well, yeah. If I had Mike Haggar backing me up, I could probably take down Galactus. That's just science. I'm pretty sure I've seen him spinning pile drive Galactus at least once.
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Discendo Vox posted:edit: the hawkeye/galactus thing is a great exemplar of the difference in companies at this point- I could totally see that being contrived up as a joke, whereas DC...and especially IC...it would end badly. In Mini-Marvels they actually went the opposite direction with the joke, and made Hawkeye the next Herald, and he even got a Galactus Hat of his own 
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Discendo Vox posted:The speed of thought thing is usually a handwaved narrative convenience, like most of the elements of flash and superman- but that narrative convenience needs to move both ways. New52 Flash had a nice point early on of allowing Flash to speed up his mind but it ended up loving him over because by doing so he basically got caught up processing all possibilities of everything happening around him.
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TwoPair posted:See the thing is Identity Crisis is a bad comic. It wasn't great, but I genuinely appreciated the tenseness and urgency of the Tim Drake stuff.
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Discendo Vox posted:edit: the hawkeye/galactus thing is a great exemplar of the difference in companies at this point- I could totally see that being contrived up as a joke, whereas DC...and especially IC...it would end badly. If there are any Marvel writers or artists reading this thread, I promise not to take any action, legal or otherwise, that would compromise the profitability of a one-shot where Hawkeye and Galactus go ten rounds in some sort of cosmic boxing ring, or steel cage. Seriously, if you make it happen, I will cede any legal claim I have on the idea to you.
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Pym particles shrink Galactus to the size of a normal human. He retains the proportional strength of Galactus. Fight.
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Die Laughing posted:That fight is a good example of why Marv Wolfman was always writing Wally West out of Teen Titans. If I recall the back matter from the IC hardcover correctly, Meltzer's idea was that Slade was meant to be using their powers against them (which doesn't exactly explain how Black Canary is incapacitated when he puts a bag over her head and handcuffs her) and he made a point of remarking about how he's beaten when everyone dogpiles him without using their powers. I think this was the start of that whole "Deathstroke is a top-tier bad guy!" thing DC was pushing in the mid-2000s.
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Toshimo posted:Pym particles shrink Galactus to the size of a normal human. He retains the proportional strength of Galactus. Fight. This is turning into one of those "would Mike Ditka win" sketches on SNL. I approve.
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Uthor posted:This is turning into one of those "would Mike Ditka win" sketches on SNL. I approve. What would be the score in a football game between little person Ditka, and a whole team of Galactuses?
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Toshimo posted:Pym particles shrink Galactus to the size of a normal human. He retains the proportional strength of Galactus. Fight. Galactus' size is symbolic more than anything. Shrinking him would not improve your chances.
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Choco1980 posted:What would be the score in a football game between little person Ditka, and a whole team of Galactuses? Ditka 372 - Galactus 2 Now if one of those Galactus was named Ditka I'd have to actually think about it.
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Lurdiak posted:Galactus' size is symbolic more than anything. Shrinking him would not improve your chances. You suck at this game.
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Wheat Loaf posted:If I recall the back matter from the IC hardcover correctly, Meltzer's idea was that Slade was meant to be using their powers against them (which doesn't exactly explain how Black Canary is incapacitated when he puts a bag over her head and handcuffs her) With the bag on her head she thought it was night time and fell asleep.
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Traxus IV posted:With the bag on her head she thought it was night time and fell asleep. :applause:
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Uthor posted:Omg, now I'm picturing a Kate/Squirrel Girl team up! That's the backup story in the Aja/Fraction Hawkfist/Immortal Iron Guy book.
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Traxus IV posted:With the bag on her head she thought it was night time and fell asleep. Seems legit.
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Ygolonac posted:That's the backup story in the Aja/Fraction Hawkfist/Immortal Iron Guy book.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Seems legit. Makes as much sense as the rest.
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I think the idea of a batman type super planning character using everyone's powers against them only to lose because they're like eight guys and he's one guy and they all sit on him is good.
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 The coolest C-level villains, the Wrecking Crew. I love the concept of just a bunch of dumb tough guys with actually impressive power.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:
One of them is actually smart, right? He just likes hanging out with his dumb friends?
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TwoPair posted:
This scene always bothered me because the resolution to the God Butcher arc was supposed to be that everyone forgot it.
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