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Being linked to the movies is what saved AoS. Pre Winter Soldier/HYDRA, it was garbage.
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Honestly anyone who hires a Whedon for TV stuff should set aside budget for them to write and shoot a season 1 you're never actually going to air so they get all the kinks out of their system.
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Sep 19, 2015 00:53
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Whizbang posted:Honestly anyone who hires a Whedon for TV stuff should set aside budget for them to write and shoot a season 1 you're never actually going to air so they get all the kinks out of their system. Ha, that's pretty genius. It would work for most sitcoms too, though you could get away with only doing that for about the first several episodes, as opposed to entire first seasons.
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Sep 19, 2015 03:00
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Most shows that went on to become iconic had terrible first seasons. Thing is these days networks want an out of the gate hit, and aren't willing to wait a full season for a show to work out its kinks.
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Sep 19, 2015 05:13
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Buffy had a really good first season, actually. It was also pleasantly self-contained instead of building things up it had no intention of paying off until season 3.
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Sep 19, 2015 05:31
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Skwirl posted:I'd say there's probably more people who watch SHIELD simply because it's tangentially connected to the movies than avoid it because of lack of concrete crossovers. Probably. Anyway, with the recent Marvel reorganization, any remotely substantive crossover in the TV->film direction is even less likely than it was before. I still think some sort of Easter egg and/or very brief cameo is more likely than not to happen eventually, but that's it.
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Sep 19, 2015 06:47
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jscolon2.0 posted:Being linked to the movies is what saved AoS. Pre Winter Soldier/HYDRA, it was garbage. I'd say it was garbage in part because it had to tread water for 16 episodes waiting for Winter Soldier to start the real plot, while being banned from even hinting towards it.
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Sep 19, 2015 07:32
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MikeJF posted:I'd say it was garbage in part because it had to tread water for 16 episodes waiting for Winter Soldier to start the real plot, while being banned from even hinting towards it. That's a load. They could've just told compelling other stories that set up the world before dropping the BIG EARTH SHATTERING TWIST instead of twiddling their thumbs waiting for it.
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Sep 19, 2015 07:45
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MikeJF posted:I'd say it was garbage in part because it had to tread water for 16 episodes waiting for Winter Soldier to start the real plot, while being banned from even hinting towards it. I'd say it was garbage because the show is garbage, has always been garbage and will always be garbage. They've gotten some good actors to do their damned best with the material, but if I wanted that I'd watch Blacklist.
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Sep 19, 2015 07:52
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I think you'll find that the show currently is in fact is not garbage.
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Sep 19, 2015 08:19
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Hakkesshu posted:Agents of SHIELD is a Good Show
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twistedmentat posted:Most shows that went on to become iconic had terrible first seasons. Thing is these days networks want an out of the gate hit, and aren't willing to wait a full season for a show to work out its kinks. This is spot-on. Cheers and The Simpsons wouldn't have made it past mid-season in the current environment.
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Sep 19, 2015 11:21
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I enjoy Agents of Shield more than any of the actual Marvel movies currently.
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Sep 19, 2015 13:15
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Gaz-L posted:This is spot-on. Cheers and The Simpsons wouldn't have made it past mid-season in the current environment. Not just that, but Friends, Seinfeld, Hill Street Blues, and X files all had terrible first seasons with low ratings. I think cheers was 51 our of 52 shows that year or something. But someone at network saw something in the show and kept it on. Same with the others. I read that it was American Idol that screwed it up, because it was such a huge juggernaut from the start every show on the air had to capture its something like 60% share or something insane like that, which was unheard of at the time. So if something couldn't bring in that kind of number, it was gone. Though I think things have changed once again, and networks are willing to let shows have low, but dedicated viewer bases and keep them on tv. While not ratings getters, I think both Community and 30 Rock had strong first seasons, or at least settled in pretty early. I really loved last year, because it that the first year I was watching network tv again. Yea Got Ham wasn't very good, but it was decent thing to watch for an hour, if only for Bullock. Then there was AoS, Flash and Arrow, so I had something on 3 nights out of the week, which was more tv that I'd watched in years. I'm still really really iffy on legends on tomorrow, maybe if it didn't feel like they slapped together a 3rd show using mostly existing characters rather than making a show based off a new hero. Though I'm way more sold on Supergirl after seeing more previews for it.
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Sep 19, 2015 13:27
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The first season of X-Files was not terrible. There are a handful of really bad episodes but also some of the best.
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Sep 19, 2015 13:53
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Yeah, isn't the Toombs episode like the second or third one in the entire series? It's a good episode.
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Sep 19, 2015 16:01
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AOS S1 isn't horrible. A lot of the episode are really, just average. They're okay for a spy/monster of the week type thing. A lot of the first half of S1 comes back in the second half or in S2 and makes it worthwhile. It also isn't nearly as bad watching it in a chunk than it was watching it live, with several breaks. The only good actor in S1 first half is Coulson. I don't know if people took acting classes or started trying rather than phoning it in but it just got better. And s2 was consistently good and does a lot of world building for the MCU, especially in terms of Inhumans. Daredevil fortunately didn't have a single bad episode.
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Sep 19, 2015 16:24
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Wheat Loaf posted:Yeah, isn't the Toombs episode like the second or third one in the entire series? It's a good episode. Also Beyond the Sea is my personal favourite episode
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Sep 19, 2015 16:36
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Oh, yeah, "Beyond the Sea" is also great.
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Sep 19, 2015 16:50
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Lurdiak posted:That's a load. They could've just told compelling other stories that set up the world before dropping the BIG EARTH SHATTERING TWIST instead of twiddling their thumbs waiting for it. I get the sense that they were creatively kneecapped by ABC as well, in that the network seemed to want a show that would appeal to people who don't watch the films. Also, Studios' draconian restrictions went beyond HYDRA - the showrunners said that they were extremely limited in how much they could use superpowered characters until late in the season. The creators aren't blameless, of course, but I don't get the sense they were working in an environment conducive to doing their best work.
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Sep 19, 2015 19:23
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Red Tornado looks... interesting. http://www.superherohype.com/news/353363-first-look-at-red-tornado-from-supergirl-revealed#/slide/1 That thing around his neck is the biggest thing bothering me at the moment. Edit: The fact that this looks somewhat comparable to the Apocalypse costume in a huge budget film is hilarious (because that Apocalypse costume looks like something from a cheap TV show.) ToastyPotato fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Sep 19, 2015 |
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Sep 19, 2015 19:54
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he looks like vision, which I guess is appropriate considering the weird parallels between those characters
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Sep 19, 2015 20:09
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Outside of the armor, there really isn't much else that could be done. He will probably look more distinct from Vision in motion, since he won't have a layer of digital makeup touching him up at all times. I think they made a mistake with that armor though.
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Sep 19, 2015 20:21
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yeah, if the effect was to try and make him look like a robot then they hosed up. he just looks like a red guy in armor.
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Sep 19, 2015 20:25
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notthegoatseguy posted:AOS S1 isn't horrible. A lot of the episode are really, just average. They're okay for a spy/monster of the week type thing. A lot of the first half of S1 comes back in the second half or in S2 and makes it worthwhile. It also isn't nearly as bad watching it in a chunk than it was watching it live, with several breaks. The only good actor in S1 first half is Coulson. I don't know if people took acting classes or started trying rather than phoning it in but it just got better. And s2 was consistently good and does a lot of world building for the MCU, especially in terms of Inhumans. I kind of had a hard time paying attention or staying awake in that one episode with the blind people in the heroin factory.
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Sep 19, 2015 20:45
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ToastyPotato posted:Red Tornado looks... interesting.
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Hakkesshu posted:The first season of X-Files was not terrible. There are a handful of really bad episodes but also some of the best. I'm talking ratings wise. ToastyPotato posted:Red Tornado looks... interesting. That looks awful, and its really obvious a copy of Vision.
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Sep 19, 2015 21:21
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ToastyPotato posted:Red Tornado looks... interesting. That looks like a picture of a loving toy that somebody spray painted darker red. Jesus I thought I had problems with Arrow's Atom costume but this is just... so much worse.
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Sep 19, 2015 21:51
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Wow, that... is unfortunate. I'd say I hope it looks better on screen, but yikes it would be hard not to.
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Sep 20, 2015 00:02
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That armor is like sub-cosplay level. Between that and Diggle's terrible half Magneto thing, some people at DC costuming needs to be fired.
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Sep 20, 2015 00:18
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Gaz-L posted:This is spot-on. Cheers and The Simpsons wouldn't have made it past mid-season in the current environment. The gently caress are you talking about? The first season of Cheers is awesome, and while the first season of The Simpsons may not be it's best, it's still really drat good.
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Skwirl posted:The gently caress are you talking about? The first season of Cheers is awesome, and while the first season of The Simpsons may not be it's best, it's still really drat good. Again, we're talking about ratings wikipedia posted:After premiering on September 30, 1982, it was nearly canceled during its first season when it ranked last in ratings for its premiere (74th out of 77 shows). Whizbang posted:That armor is like sub-cosplay level. Between that and Diggle's terrible half Magneto thing, some people at DC costuming needs to be fired. Yea, i cannot imagine anyone thinking that helmet is a good idea. I bet it will show up for like 4 episodes, then vanish never to be seen again.
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Sep 20, 2015 00:22
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X-O posted:Wow, that... is unfortunate. I'd say I hope it looks better on screen, but yikes it would be hard not to. The Red Tornado is ugly as sin to begin with. The fact that the tv version is worse than the comic book one is almost an accomplishment.
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We haven't seen Red Tornado in any clips yet so we don't know how it'll really look on TV.
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ToastyPotato posted:Red Tornado looks... interesting. As always with Red Tornado... gently caress off, boring Vision.
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Sep 20, 2015 01:51
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Skwirl posted:The gently caress are you talking about? The first season of Cheers is awesome, and while the first season of The Simpsons may not be it's best, it's still really drat good. Yes? That's sort of the whole point? Good and eventually super-successful shows would've been canned due to bad ratings because of impatient networks.
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Sep 20, 2015 02:22
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Gaz-L posted:Yes? That's sort of the whole point? Good and eventually super-successful shows would've been canned due to bad ratings because of impatient networks. Both those shows had excellent ratings in their first season.
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Sep 20, 2015 02:25
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Skwirl posted:Both those shows had excellent ratings in their first season. Cheers infamously bombed early and was almost cancelled. I may have been thinking of the move to opposite Cosby for the Simpsons thing, to be fair.
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Sep 20, 2015 02:30
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Gaz-L posted:Cheers infamously bombed early and was almost cancelled. I may have been thinking of the move to opposite Cosby for the Simpsons thing, to be fair. Fine, Cheers is still a much better way to waste your time than SHIELD. Also fans of Cheers don't defend it by saying "yeah the first 16 episodes are terrible, but then it gets good."
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Pfft, Cheers is for old people.
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