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So, the kid asked to call his parents several times during the interrogation (no lawyer present). Don't they have to stop an interrogation and fulfill that request?
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Sep 18, 2015 01:07
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Condiv posted:tbh, it looks like the clock is just the pieces of a digital alarm clock ripped out of its casing and put inside a pencil casing, explaining both the 9v connector and the power plug. That's what I thought, it looks like he took the guts out of bedside alarm clock and tried to mount it in a pencil case. He's probably a kid who likes to tear things apart and never gets them back together, so his room's full of junk that makes the grown-ups think he's doing smart things.
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Sep 18, 2015 01:11
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Police Report: Suspect took guts out of alarm clock and mounted them in a carrying case. B- work at best. See me after class. Cited for attempted grade inflation.
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Sep 18, 2015 01:42
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PostNouveau posted:So, the kid asked to call his parents several times during the interrogation (no lawyer present). Don't they have to stop an interrogation and fulfill that request? Gosh no. Your parents aren't lawyers.
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Sep 18, 2015 02:01
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SedanChair posted:Gosh no. Your parents aren't lawyers. He is a minor. I am not sure of the law here and am on m6 phone, but it may not be the same.
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Sep 18, 2015 02:36
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PostNouveau posted:So, the kid asked to call his parents several times during the interrogation (no lawyer present). Don't they have to stop an interrogation and fulfill that request? They take out the Benjamin Moore paint chips, "Sugar Cookie" brown gets you sent home with a stern talking to, "Desert Camel" or darker don't have rights. I googled paint chips and sugar cookie is the lightest brown and desert camel Is dark brown hth
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Sep 18, 2015 02:47
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GreyjoyBastard posted:He is a minor. I am not sure of the law here and am on m6 phone, but it may not be the same. Depends on the state, and the fact that it took place at school and with a school official's participation and permission complicates it further. It's definitely not a clear violation of his rights under the constitution, and may or may not have been under state law.
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Sep 18, 2015 03:37
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Someone said that in such situations school faculty can act as a surrogate depending on the state.
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Sep 18, 2015 03:43
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GreyjoyBastard posted:He is a minor. I am not sure of the law here and am on m6 phone, but it may not be the same. As was mentioned, in some states there is a notification law but usually not. I am guessing those laws generally do not get passed because "guilty little thuglets need to sweat" probably outweighs "what if it was my kid."
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From the "Got a crazy forwarded political email from your family? Post them here." thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dk6bXdBdVs Jaywalking teenager vs. large man in blue, followed by a bunch more large men in blue spending your tax dollars wisely (youtube description has more info). I hear the youtube comments are enlightening. And now for some brand new and fresh circular arguments about semantics (BTW it wasn't a bomb. It was never a bomb.): Otteration fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Sep 18, 2015 |
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Sep 18, 2015 05:09
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http://www.npr.org/2015/09/17/441196546/is-there-a-war-on-police-the-statistics-say-no
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Disinterested posted:http://www.npr.org/2015/09/17/441196546/is-there-a-war-on-police-the-statistics-say-no This thread can't get past death statistics for some reason, as if it's the only statistic that matters when determining if policing can be dangerous. FBI posted:-In 2013, the FBI collected assault data from 11,468 law enforcement agencies that employed 533,895 officers. And this only includes the ones reported to the FBI so these numbers are likely under reported.
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Ima Grip And Sip posted:This thread can't get past death statistics for some reason, as if it's the only statistic that matters when determining if policing can be dangerous. You've neither contextualised 'assaults' nor described how that relates to a broader trend, though, so it's not really that useful a datapoint you've offered.
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Sep 18, 2015 19:33
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Homicides as a whole have been on a downward trend since the 80s, so it would make sense that homicides of police would follow that trend.
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Also it seems foolish to assume they are under reporting assaults to the FBI. Also plenty of people are arrested for "assaulting" a police officer when they've done nothing of the sort.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Homicides as a whole have been on a downward trend since the 80s, so it would make sense that homicides of police would follow that trend. To be fair, this is despite the best efforts of the police.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Homicides as a whole have been on a downward trend since the 80s, so it would make sense that homicides of police would follow that trend. This holds true of all forms of violent crime pretty much, though, no?
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Ima Grip And Sip posted:This thread can't get past death statistics for some reason, as if it's the only statistic that matters when determining if policing can be dangerous. Why do you assume the first one was talking about if the job was dangerous? The article was pointing out how the "war on police" narrative isn't backed by statistics. If we wanted to see if being a law enforcement officer was a dangerous job, we'd use occupational health and safety numbers, which show that being a law enforcement officer isn't close to one of the most dangerous jobs in America. Teachers and convenience store clerks are both more likely to be killed on the job than cops last I checked for example. Both face much higher rates of assault if they reported it. Edit According to the BJS it appears that bartenders have face a higher rate of workplace violence than law enforcement officers. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Sep 18, 2015 |
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Sep 18, 2015 19:38
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Ima Grip And Sip posted:This thread can't get past death statistics for some reason, as if it's the only statistic that matters when determining if policing can be dangerous. it is entirely germane to discuss police killed in the line of duty when countering the crybaby lie that there is a "war on police"
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Sep 18, 2015 19:41
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:Exactly, thinking that the school should do nothing when they see something with a countdown timer and a pile of circuit boards is monumentally naive in this day and age. How did a homemade clock with a few tangled wires, and a circuit board, all of a sudden become a count-down timer with a pile of circuit boards?
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Sep 18, 2015 20:24
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Agrajag posted:How did a homemade clock with a few tangled wires, and a circuit board, all of a sudden become a count-down timer with a pile of circuit boards? Because welcome to the
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Agrajag posted:How did a homemade clock with a few tangled wires, and a circuit board, all of a sudden become a count-down timer with a pile of circuit boards? The fact the police refuses to let anyone actually see it isn't helping. All we have is a photo of a photo which is making some people think this thing is huge when it isn't. Also some slightly new details: quote:The police chief in Irving, Tex., Larry Boyd, said in an interview on CNN that officers assigned to MacArthur High School had determined “fairly quickly” that the device was not a bomb. Then the issue, he said, was to determine why the teenager, Ahmed Mohamed, had brought the device to school. quote:School district officials said that they cannot comment on the specifics of the case involving Macarthur High School freshman Mohamed, due to privacy reasons. However, a spokeswoman for the district said that they support his English teacher’s action when she confiscated the 14-year-old’s homemade clock on Monday, believing that it could be a hoax bomb. So the kid made the mistake of trying to explain why he had made a disruptive noise in class. Should have known better and not told the teacher anything at all  Also since no one had told the cops that he had told everyone who asked it was a clock because that's the level of seriously they took this investigation. But the police recognized the kid immediately from some sort of physical feature he had.... Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Sep 18, 2015 |
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Sep 18, 2015 20:39
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MattO posted:That's what I thought, it looks like he took the guts out of bedside alarm clock and tried to mount it in a pencil case. He's probably a kid who likes to tear things apart and never gets them back together, so his room's full of junk that makes the grown-ups think he's doing smart things. How is this relevant and what is wrong with a kid messing around with electronics? I guess in your mind he should have never tried experimenting with taking poo poo apart because he just isn't good enough? Perhaps he should only be proud when he is at the level of university engineering students? Agrajag fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Sep 18, 2015 |
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Sep 18, 2015 21:05
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Agrajag posted:How is this relevant and what is wrong with a kid messing around with electronics? I guess in your mind he should have never tried experimenting with taking poo poo apart because he just isn't good enough? Perhaps he should only be proud when he is at the level of university engineering students? Good muslims should spend all thier time apologizing for 9/11 and making us scared. No time for engineering.
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Agrajag posted:How is this relevant and what is wrong with a kid messing around with electronics? I guess in your mind he should have never tried experimenting with taking poo poo apart because he just isn't good enough? Perhaps he should only be proud when he is at the level of university engineering students? What's the biggest joke about all this, the character attack on this kid for having a "messy bedroom" is in fact, false: 
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Sep 18, 2015 21:11
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The black briefcase on his shelf looks awfully bomb like.
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So can this "could have thought it was a bomb" finally die since nobody ever thought it was a bomb? At worst they thought it could be a "hoax bomb", I doubt an English teacher would 'confiscate' it if she actually thought it was a bomb. I don't think anyone is stupid enough to take possession of something they think is an explosive, they evacuate the school not put in their desk drawer. Wonder what excuse will be used to not release his interrogation recording/transcript/video. I'm sure the police would never ever interrogate a minor off record. "What is it?" "A clock" "What's it for?" "Telling time" That's the first 30 seconds. What was the other 3(4? 5?) hours? Agrajag posted:How is this relevant and what is wrong with a kid messing around with electronics? Funny thing is I'd bet $20 anyone criticizing him for "just taking apart a clock" or whatever wouldn't be able to even do what this kid did. I did the same poo poo when I was that age, it's figuring how the parts each interact and taking an existing clock circuit board and hooking it up to that big red time display is not as simple as people think when you're 14. Toasticle fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Sep 18, 2015 |
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Sep 18, 2015 21:17
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Toasticle posted:So can this "could have thought it was a bomb" finally die since nobody ever thought it was a bomb? At worst they thought it could be a "hoax bomb", I doubt an English teacher would 'confiscate' it if she actually thought it was a bomb. I don't think anyone is stupid enough to take possession of something they think is an explosive, they evacuate the school not put in their desk drawer. My favourite is his school principle attempting to pressure Ahmed to sign some kind of confession whilst at the same time refusing his request to contact his parents. The whole situation, on the part of the adults, is all kinds of hosed up.
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My guess is "try to get him to say something to justify treating a 14 year old nerd like a terrorist"
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Agrajag posted:How is this relevant and what is wrong with a kid messing around with electronics? I guess in your mind he should have never tried experimenting with taking poo poo apart because he just isn't good enough? Perhaps he should only be proud when he is at the level of university engineering students? Nothing at all, it's the same thing my kid does, she rips open electronics and makes poo poo out of it, I think it's a good thing to do. Didn't mean anything nefarious.
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MattO posted:Nothing at all, it's the same thing my kid does, she rips open electronics and makes poo poo out of it, I think it's a good thing to do. Didn't mean anything nefarious. Sounds like you've got a little terrorist-in-the-making there, citizen.
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Toasticle posted:So can this "could have thought it was a bomb" finally die since nobody ever thought it was a bomb? At worst they thought it could be a "hoax bomb", I doubt an English teacher would 'confiscate' it if she actually thought it was a bomb. I don't think anyone is stupid enough to take possession of something they think is an explosive, they evacuate the school not put in their desk drawer. "Tell us the truth kid, what is it!?" "A clock! I made it! I wanna talk to my parents!" "This is an interrogation you can talk to your parents when you tell us what's really going on!" Repeat.
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I think the fact that the police won't let anyone see the "hoax bomb" and will only show a picture of a picture says a lot.
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Booourns posted:I think the fact that the police won't let anyone see the "hoax bomb" and will only show a picture of a picture says a lot. Civil forfeiture owns.
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Phone posted:Civil forfeiture owns. Nah, this time its just being held as evidence.
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Booourns posted:I think the fact that the police won't let anyone see the "hoax bomb" and will only show a picture of a picture says a lot. But you see, we need to make sure it wasn't really a bomb per se. Just in case!!!
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Toasticle posted:So can this "could have thought it was a bomb" finally die since nobody ever thought it was a bomb? At worst they thought it could be a "hoax bomb", I doubt an English teacher would 'confiscate' it if she actually thought it was a bomb. I don't think anyone is stupid enough to take possession of something they think is an explosive, they evacuate the school not put in their desk drawer. the cop thought he had a case that could net him a promotion. bully some muslim kid into confessing he wanted to start a panic, get lots of press for stopping terrorism, get a promotion and if it ever comes out it was a false confession no one cares cause you were trying to protect everyone
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Something seems wrong here:quote:Cormega Copening, of Fayetteville, North Carolina, was prosecuted as an adult under federal child pornography felony laws, for sexually exploiting a minor. The minor was himself.
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Trabisnikof posted:Something seems wrong here: Take naked photo of yourself when you were 17 and then send it when you are 18 (or charged as an adult). The federal code doesn't say the minor has to be someone else.
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