Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Locked thread
Lichtenstein
May 31, 2012

It'll make sense, eventually.

Tevery Best posted:

Wait, you mean you don't?

The extent to which I can possess national sympathies and antipathies is 90% correlated with my interest in local cuisine and Poland* is pretty milquetoast in that regard.

The other 10% is cool looking military hardware.

* Well, postwar Poland.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Lichtenstein
May 31, 2012

It'll make sense, eventually.
Also, Poles live there, so that kinda sucks.

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin

Dragas posted:

They were described in the first sentence of that paragraph, greens bad

I don't think the Social Model will actually change much practically, it's already pathetically easy to get around many of the laws with sufficiently clever book-cooking. I am mildly worried about temporary contracts becoming prevalent, but we'll see.

Greens are good! None of their members went public saying horrible things about the LGBT or were involved in ridiculous corruption scandals yet.
Agreed about the social model, but from the discussions I've been to, apprenetly it worked pretty well for people employed by government agencies and universities and stuff. Fired for failling at your paper pusher job? Well have some money worth 6 months of wages lol

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Greens tend to be socially progressive, but even though I support Green politics many parties all around the world tend to have some idiotic policies as their keystones.

Dragas
Apr 21, 2010

something something polish lithuania commonwealth will rise from the ashes
There's also the article prohibiting striking, which is very ideologically odious but again, not like Lithuanians have a huge history of labour action.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

So... everything still hosed?

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Well I'm in sunny Ukraine right now but also really sick. I forgot what this place was like. Mama mia what a country

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
Belgrada Pride passed without visible incidents. 7 guys were arrested on suspicion of planning to attack the participants, and a group of about 70 people lead by a couple of priests later followed the path of the parade "disinfecting" the streets with holy water, but that's about it.

fuck off Batman
Oct 14, 2013

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!


my dad posted:

Belgrada Pride passed without visible incidents. 7 guys were arrested on suspicion of planning to attack the participants, and a group of about 70 people lead by a couple of priests later followed the path of the parade "disinfecting" the streets with holy water, but that's about it.

How many people were there at the parade?

Also lol at priests disinfecting the streets.

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
Haven't a clue about the total number, but a friend of mine participated and I'll ask her if I get the chance. Here's a pic from a web article about it:


Here's a picture of the oldest participant:




Apparently, there was also a separate, Trans Pride parade held today.

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost
How close we came to Armageddon: Russian bombers began to arm nuclear bomb near UK airspace

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

That is a ridiculous story photo, what is that, some sort of tabloid?

SaltyJesus
Jun 2, 2011

Arf!
I'm not doubting the Russians pulling stunts but Sunday Express is a poo poo tier newspaper.

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020
Stunts and drills are par for the course in a cold war, I agree. That article still looks like it should involve bat boy piloting the plane.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Killer-of-Lawyers posted:

That is a ridiculous story photo, what is that, some sort of tabloid?

It's a competitor to the Daily Mail whose cover boasts that it's 10p cheaper than its rival. Specialises in stories about how the EU is destroying Britain and were the only paper to openly support UKIP in the last election. Looking around their site you can also find huge piles of nonsense reported with complete seriousness like this thing:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/606441/alien-map-location-drawn-found-extra-terretrial-life

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost
Yeah the source and the article aren't the most reputable. At the same time it wouldn't surprise me at all if it were true that the Russians are actively drilling for nuclear warfare.

Actually it's a relief that the paper is shittier than I though heh, hopefully that means this news is also made up

ass struggle
Dec 25, 2012

by Athanatos
Russian aircraft over northern Syria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JYEmXJ60Yc

Killer-of-Lawyers
Apr 22, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020
Even if true it's non news. Welcome to nuclear politics, I hope you enjoyed the break this past 20 years.

Edit: The nukes, not the Russians in Syria.

Killer-of-Lawyers fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Sep 20, 2015

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

Meanwhile, in Crimea, Tatars have blockaded the road from the mainland into Crimea. They're stopping food and supplies deliveries from Ukraine into Crimea.

http://uatoday.tv/politics/happening-now-crimean-tatars-blockade-crossing-to-russian-occupied-crimea-497002.html

quote:

Happening Now: Crimean Tatars blockade crossing to Russian-occupied Crimea (updates)

The peninsula's minority Muslim population face persecution under the Kremlin-appointed authorities

UPDATE: Ukraine's Internal Affairs Ministry has said the situation at the country's defacto mainland border with Crimea is controlled and passenger traffic can pass unhindered. Queues of several kilometers have built up approching the Ukrainian-controlled at Chongar after activists began their indefinite blockage.

Chief of the Crimean Tatar Mejlis representative body called on Ukrainian businessmen to quote 'not feed the bandits'

Earlier in the day Crimean Tatars have blockaded the entrance into their Russian-occupied Ukrainian homeland.

Protesters are preventing freight transport from crossing the border. A three kilometer line of trucks has already built. The action started on September 20 at noon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TfLYYNEsUU

http://uatoday.tv/news/tatars-threaten-civil-blockade-of-crimea-in-response-to-russian-occupation-489931.html

quote:

Crimean leader Refat Chubarov makes five demands of Moscow

The Crimean Tatars of the Russian-occupied Ukrainian peninsula have called for a "Civil blockade of Crimea".

The head of the Crimean Tatars' self-governing body, the Mejlis, Refat Chubarov, told reporters in Kyiv on September 8 that Tatar activists will block roads and checkpoints to Crimea later in September in order to prevent Ukrainian goods from entering the peninsula.

Chubarov also demanded Moscow stop the persecution of his people and other citizens of the Black Sea peninsula.

[quote]At a press conference in the Ukraine Crisis Centre in Kyiv, Chubarov made five demands of Moscow.

1. The release of Ukrainian political prisoners - Nadiya Savchenko, Oleh Sentsov, Oleksandr Kolchenko, Oleksandr Kostenko, Ahtem Chiygoza, Mustafa Degermendzhy, Ali Asanov and Tahir Smedlyaev.

2. Elimination of illegal obstacles for Ukrainian and Crimean Tatar mass media in Crimea.

3. Unhindered access to Crimea for foreign journalists and international observers of human rights.

4. Termination of criminal and administrative prosecution of Crimean Tatars and other citizens of Ukraine in Crimea.

5. Lifting of the ban on entry to Crimea leaders Mustafa Dzhemilev and Refat Chubarov, as well as activists of the national movement of the Crimean Tatars and Ismet Yuksel and Sinaver Kadyrov.

This could get interesting.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
This is a very creative use of the available leverage- I'm not sure who the intended audience is, though. Which parties to this conflict find the Tatars sympathetic, such that their blockage of aid won't vilify them in the occupied territory?

Gaj
Apr 30, 2006
Im sorry Im actually surprised, why has Ukraine not already blockaded the Crimea?

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Gaj posted:

Im sorry Im actually surprised, why has Ukraine not already blockaded the Crimea?

I'm always morbidly fascinated by questions like this.

Why do you think Ukraine should embargo its own citizens? What do you think that would achieve? Also, what do you think Russia, Ukraine's largest trade partner and energy supplier, will think about such an embargo?

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I'm not particularly concerned about what Russia thinks, but starving their own people is something Ukraine rightfully shouldn't be doing.

In other news, there's a new red flag over Czech presidential palace:


Zoom in!



Those red underpants are protest by a group called Ztohoven (Hundredshits) criticizing the president for being too cozy with China and Russia. Also implying that security at the compound is poo poo.

jonnypeh
Nov 5, 2006

Needs some BUKs.

jonnypeh
Nov 5, 2006

Gaj posted:

Im sorry Im actually surprised, why has Ukraine not already blockaded the Crimea?

As far as I know they cut off the water supply already last year.

And I guess that bridge to/from Kerch won't be ready for a long time.

e: also Ukraine closed it's airspace to Russian airlines.

Rincewinds
Jul 30, 2014

MEAT IS MEAT
Crimea is the only russian "province" who is allowed to import certain otherwise banned ukranian food produces, as Russia are having problem delivering enough to them since, surprise, goods used to be delivered through the Ukranian infrastructure. Putin should have waited a few years for the new bridge to be completed before attacking.

Gaj
Apr 30, 2006

waitwhatno posted:

I'm always morbidly fascinated by questions like this.

Why do you think Ukraine should embargo its own citizens? What do you think that would achieve? Also, what do you think Russia, Ukraine's largest trade partner and energy supplier, will think about such an embargo?

I remember the argument about the citizens when it first happened, some people were even denouncing the Ukrainian government for not providing services and aid to the eastern provinces controlled by Russian proxies. A trade partner isnt so much a trade partner when they finance and organize a massive destabilization of a nieghbor.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Discendo Vox posted:

This is a very creative use of the available leverage- I'm not sure who the intended audience is, though. Which parties to this conflict find the Tatars sympathetic, such that their blockage of aid won't vilify them in the occupied territory?

Alongside that, how sympathetic are the wider Tatar community going to be given that the group protesting are blocking supply access to their own home and effectively sanctioning themselves?

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

mobby_6kl posted:

I'm not particularly concerned about what Russia thinks, but starving their own people is something Ukraine rightfully shouldn't be doing.

In other news, there's a new red flag over Czech presidential palace:


Zoom in!



Those red underpants are protest by a group called Ztohoven (Hundredshits) criticizing the president for being too cozy with China and Russia. Also implying that security at the compound is poo poo.

This is cute I'll be there in a few days sad I missed it. Is there a cultural significance to the pants ?

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin

Rincewinds posted:

Crimea is the only russian "province" who is allowed to import certain otherwise banned ukranian food produces, as Russia are having problem delivering enough to them since, surprise, goods used to be delivered through the Ukranian infrastructure. Putin should have waited a few years for the new bridge to be completed before attacking.

I've read that the Azov sea is very violent and all the previous bridges built there were destroyed in the first winter. Dunno how true that is but Putin's buds who were offered to build the bridge were very reluctant to do it according to the press.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
That's a nice bridge they're building. It would be a shame if something happened to it!


Baronjutter posted:

This is cute I'll be there in a few days sad I missed it. Is there a cultural significance to the pants ?

If it helps, I'm here and didn't seen this either because I haven't been in that area in years.

Don't think there's much special significance, just general embarrassment from everyone seeing your underwear maybe.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Somaen posted:

I've read that the Azov sea is very violent and all the previous bridges built there were destroyed in the first winter. Dunno how true that is but Putin's buds who were offered to build the bridge were very reluctant to do it according to the press.

The first modern bridge attempt was partially constructed by the Nazis during the invasion of the Soviet Union. It was never finished because the Nazis got crushed by the Red Army, the parts built were bombed, and the Nazis sabotaged the remaining parts as they retreated.

Then in summer 1944, Soviet troops rebuilt and completed the bridge the Nazis had sabotaged when partially complete, but that one did not last the winter due to ice - however it had been built with leftover Nazi materials that had been sitting out from 1943, and it had been done in a hurry, so it wasn't exactly well engineered/planned.

Ever since 1944, plans for bridges don't get far enough to be destroyed by the weather, they all fall through. The fact that hastily built war time bridge couldn't hold up really says nothing about what could be done without war restrictions and with modern engineering assistance.

Gantolandon
Aug 19, 2012

cloudchamber posted:

Alongside that, how sympathetic are the wider Tatar community going to be given that the group protesting are blocking supply access to their own home and effectively sanctioning themselves?

I got the impression that they effectively lost their homes because of widespread persecutions and are quite pissed about it.

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort
https://www.facebook.com/hrvatskauzivo/videos/1681172175452813/

:baww:
I haven't contributed much personally but I'm proud.

SaltyJesus
Jun 2, 2011

Arf!

Doctor Malaver posted:

https://www.facebook.com/hrvatskauzivo/videos/1681172175452813/

:baww:
I haven't contributed much personally but I'm proud.

awww :3: good on you guys! : )

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Gantolandon posted:

I got the impression that they effectively lost their homes because of widespread persecutions and are quite pissed about it.

That's true, but there's apparently a portion of the community which remains on the peninsula and are more ambivalent about the order post-annexation:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/17/crimean-tatars-divided-between-russian-and-ukrainian-promises

Gantolandon
Aug 19, 2012

cloudchamber posted:

That's true, but there's apparently a portion of the community which remains on the peninsula and are more ambivalent about the order post-annexation:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/17/crimean-tatars-divided-between-russian-and-ukrainian-promises

The sad fact is that a bunch of people who lost their homes because of foreign occupation won't really care about their compatriots collaborating with the new government. If you support, even by inaction, a group of people who violently displaced and persecuted another one, you can't really expect loyalty and compassion from the latter.

Gantolandon fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Sep 21, 2015

ass struggle
Dec 25, 2012

by Athanatos


Really a substantial amount of hardware, pretty undeniable. I wonder if these will be piloted by "volunteers".

ass struggle fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Sep 22, 2015

AceRimmer
Mar 18, 2009

quote:

"I am sorry to see that Croatian humanity and solidarity lasted just two days," Serbia's Social Affairs Minister Aleksandar Vulin said after Croatia closed all but one border crossing. He warned that Serbia will take the issue to the international courts.

Croatian Prime Minister Zoran Milanovic responded by comparing Serbia's international clout to a fly: small and unimportant. "(An) eagle does not hunt flies. Croatia is an eagle," Milanovic said.

Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic said he wouldn't take the bait: "I will not even respond to the Croatian prime minister's remark about us being flies and them an eagle."
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article35946363.html
:jerky:

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

alex314
Nov 22, 2007


He knows that Serbia has strength of a falcon, which means he'll need help from mutant two-headed eagle of Russia.

  • Locked thread