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kingcobweb posted:Something I see worse junglers not doing is: after you gank a lane, it's completely fine to just... gank it again. People often act like there's some sort of mandatory cooldown between ganks. If you go mid, blow their flash, and still have health and mana, and their mid pushes up again... well, what an idiot. Go kill them. Did they die and TP back to lane? Yup. Usually because the other lanes are bitching and tilting that they're not getting ganks.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Usually because the other lanes are bitching and tilting that they're not getting ganks. This is 100% why I do it when that happens - I'm trying desperately to bail water on the other lanes. That or I accidentally took a last hit and the laner flipped out and is raging at me in chat.
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Sep 21, 2015 00:00
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Usually because the other lanes are bitching and tilting that they're not getting ganks. Moving around the map takes time. Why bother spending 30 seconds walking around, possibly getting spotted by a ward, when you could just do a short loop and go back to where you were 10 seconds earlier? It's just more efficient jungling. All other things being equal, the best gank is the one that takes the smallest amount of time.
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Sep 21, 2015 00:17
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ok so I took the account I'm boosting from Bronze 2 -3lp to the dizzying heights of Silver III 0lp, I should get it to Gold by next week. it's been a pretty enlightening journey thus far, I lost my first game out of 15 I've played with Ahri like an hour ago, and I have like 80% winrate thus far since I started using the account. now, hints for players who are silver/bronze and wanna climb: General Tips:
Tips for Bronze players:
Tips for Silver players:
Champions to use: These are only suggestions, ultimately you should ALWAYS use the champions that you're comfortable with. They'll give you the best results.
Champions to not use: Again, these are mostly my opinion. If you're godlike with any of these champions, go right ahead and play them, but if you cannot win easily with them, don't dare pick them.
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Sep 21, 2015 01:31
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if you are silver and wanna climb just play jinx it's a free win down there
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Sep 21, 2015 01:41
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On the other hand if you're a newer player and you can devote 200 games to learning Draven you'll be a god
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Sep 21, 2015 01:42
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Sep 21, 2015 01:44
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kingcobweb posted:On the other hand if you're a newer player and you can devote 200 games to learning Draven you'll be a god but you can get to gold in half that time by just spamming midlane.
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Sep 21, 2015 01:44
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I disagree about playmaking supports being bad at low Elo, though (and you put Blitz on your 'good' list despite him being a playmaker that's actually fairly difficult). Leona can still force wins down the throats of even the worst ADCs. In a normal game I once dragged a Literal Bronze Five Vayne to winning lane and game against a silver Vayne. Personally I think that everyone should have a "trinity" at their main role: three champions that you're comfortable on that work very differently from one another, so that you can fit nicely into any given teamcomp. An example jungle trinity: Pantheon, Nunu, Diana (early ganker, objective control/tank, damage) Mid trinity: Annie, Talon, Lux (short-ranged bully, roaming assassin, long-ranged poke)
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Sep 21, 2015 01:47
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I never got the ranking system. It just seems like a way for people to stroke their e-penis and give them another way to insult people when playing unranked. Like being called bronze is the most common insult I've seen in unranked and it just makes me think the person saying it is an idiot because one bad game does not mean they're a bad player. Also the fact that unranked has a hidden ranking from memory means that you've been matched with people of your own skill level more often than not unless parties are part of the game.
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Sep 21, 2015 01:51
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kingcobweb posted:I disagree about playmaking supports being bad at low Elo, though (and you put Blitz on your 'good' list despite him being a playmaker that's actually fairly difficult). Leona can still force wins down the throats of even the worst ADCs. In a normal game I once dragged a Literal Bronze Five Vayne to winning lane and game against a silver Vayne. What's a support trinity? So far it's Janna, Leona, and Morgana.
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Artificer posted:What's a support trinity? So far it's Janna, Leona, and Morgana. That's a good trinity. Last season mine was Janna, Leona, Lulu, but I don't like how the first two feel any more after their nerfs. Soraka/Blitz/Lulu is mine at the moment, but I've switched back to maining Jungle so I've just been spamming Soraka. But the one I'd recommend is: Soraka, Braum, Nautilus. Soraka when you have to drag this idiot Vayne through laning against a bully lane, Braum when you have to disengage your idiot Vayne from a teamcomp like J4/Zed/Riven, and Nautilus when you want to kill their idiot Vayne.
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Sep 21, 2015 01:56
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Artificer posted:What's a support trinity? So far it's Janna, Leona, and Morgana. That is a pretty good trinity, yes. Peel, engage, pick. Another good example of a trinity would be Soraka, Alistar, Thresh, though Alistar in particular has a pretty drat high skill ceiling so he may not be best for newbies.
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Sep 21, 2015 01:57
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Dont play leona
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Sep 21, 2015 02:02
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I've complained about it before but I was so used to the old E width that I'd actually waste my abilities after it missed, because I was 100% certain that it hit. Like I did the "hit E, pause for auto, Q" combo just on timing alone... except I didn't actually hit it
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Also on the recommended jungles list in the bronze/silver post above, I wouldn't recommend fiddlesticks as a top jungle to learn. If you do well with him he's scary, but end of the day he's gold reliant (since he needs a zhonyas) and made of glass which makes him more skill intensive than he seems in paper. Low elo jungling is (as you said) about good initiations and tankiness (since at low elos you'll likely have 3 hypercarries in your lanes and Annie support). Malph, sej, and hec used to be great for this, but they're not in great spots right now. Possibly skarner could fill this slot now? Amumu too
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kingcobweb posted:I disagree about playmaking supports being bad at low Elo, though (and you put Blitz on your 'good' list despite him being a playmaker that's actually fairly difficult). Leona can still force wins down the throats of even the worst ADCs. In a normal game I once dragged a Literal Bronze Five Vayne to winning lane and game against a silver Vayne. Blitz is a playmaker who's job relies mostly on just landing Q's. If you compare him to Alistar or Thresh you can see how Blitz is more reliable and effective than them. Also yeah I can get behind that. I personally use Ahri, Leblanc, Xerath in mid as my trinity. Ahri is a very general pick that plays sort of as a burst mage/assassin hybrid while also being really safe, Leblanc is my roaming assassin for when I need to quickly snowball against a squishy team, and Xerath is a good sieging/poke mage.
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Primetime posted:Also on the recommended jungles list in the bronze/silver post above, I wouldn't recommend fiddlesticks as a top jungle to learn. If you do well with him he's scary, but end of the day he's gold reliant (since he needs a zhonyas) and made of glass which makes him more skill intensive than he seems in paper. I think the big post is a Very Good Post, but I also think there's a slight difference between, "this is a champion that a Gold/Plat/Diamond player can use to easily climb on a smurf," and "these are champions that low-Elo players should use to learn how to play." Just play the easiest mechanical champions possible. I loving hate it when some Riven goes in to a 1v3, dies, and complains like "gah if only I had properly Q-flash-W-R-ignite-Q-auto-Hydra combo'd" when the answer is that they shouldn't have tried the play in the first place. They make plays that involve both strategic and mechanical misplays, recognize that they made a mechanical misplay, and blame their failure on that. The solution they see, therefore, is more practice on mechanics. If you play Warwick you're not going to trick yourself into thinking it was just a mechanical problem, because Warwick is 100% strategy 0% mechanics. If you're learning to jungle, try to learn on something that has as few mechanical things as possible, then learn other stuff on top of that. If you are an actual Bronze player in Bronze, and want to learn jungling: Xin, Rammus, Wukong.
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Sep 21, 2015 02:15
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Can I jungle Xin Zhao at lvl 19? If so what route do I take?
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Sep 21, 2015 02:17
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NTT posted:Dont play leona I will
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Sep 21, 2015 02:18
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Leona owns
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Rammus sucks tho
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It's right there in the name
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Sep 21, 2015 02:32
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kingcobweb posted:I think the big post is a Very Good Post, but I also think there's a slight difference between, "this is a champion that a Gold/Plat/Diamond player can use to easily climb on a smurf," and "these are champions that low-Elo players should use to learn how to play." those aren't hints for players who want to learn how to play, it's for players who wanna climb. like, if you want to climb in the first place it means you feel you've plateau'd. kind of the idea behind my post was give like, suggestions for those players who have been stuck in silver for a while and know they can get out.
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frajaq posted:Can I jungle Xin Zhao at lvl 19? If so what route do I take? You can really only reliably do nunu, fiddle and Warwick jungle pre-30, and given what I just said about fiddle - just nunu and Warwick. I wouldn't worry about getting good at xin jungle just yet
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from lvl 20 onwards you can do any jungler, because you have access to tier 3 runes, before then, you just have to be mindful of your clears, do the crabs to keep yourself healthy, put 9 points in the defensive tree, and always start bot so you get a strong leash, unless you're a jungler with innate sustain in which case you can start any side of the map.
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fnox posted:from lvl 20 onwards you can do any jungler, because you have access to tier 3 runes, before then, you just have to be mindful of your clears, do the crabs to keep yourself healthy, put 9 points in the defensive tree, and always start bot so you get a strong leash, unless you're a jungler with innate sustain in which case you can start any side of the map. This all applies to level 30 jungling too lmao
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Darth Windu posted:This all applies to level 30 jungling too lmao you don't have access to all runes and masteries before lvl 30. but you can make do with the like, 6 armor seals you can get at lvl 20, and 6 marks.
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fnox posted:you don't have access to all runes and masteries before lvl 30. but you can make do with the like, 6 armor seals you can get at lvl 20, and 6 marks. Yeah but you should always watch your clear and take bugs for health and always start bot
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Darth Windu posted:always start bot not really. you could even like, start the enemy's wolves and take the enemy jungler down at their blue buff. there are many possible routes you could be doing.
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Sona is also a really good low Elo support if you can keep your stupid ADC from raging out after you double kill the enemy botlane
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Darth Windu posted:Leona owns leona is basically thresh but instead of pulling people into your cold embrace for like a second or so you run over and punch the bitch nerd in the face and make your team come up to commit instead of being scared pansies and then you shoot lasers from space Leona owns. (I just wish she did some actual damage on her own, too . . . ) ninjaedit: Leona doubly owns because her skill ceiling is a single skillshot that leads into her combo and if you miss it oh well, wait a few seconds and give it another go. You really can't go wrong.
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Methanar posted:It used to be 24. I know, and I never find myself wanting it that badly 6 seconds earlier, 30 seconds is still crazy good for the range and damage and aoe imo.
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If you wanna escape silver it's pretty easy, just put like 100 games into TF, Jinx, Eve or Ashe. Anyone who has a lot of utility or takes advantage of poor positioning, or Jinx, who just shits damage.
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Tryndamere is also really good at getting you out of silver since you can just split push all day
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Honestly if you learn how to get 5/6 cs in every wave, I just assume you can get to gold over a long enough period of time.
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Gibberish posted:Honestly if you learn how to get 5/6 cs in every wave, I just assume you can get to gold over a long enough period of time. The tricky question is, how do you escape gold once you get there? What separates plats from golds?
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Transient People posted:The tricky question is, how do you escape gold once you get there? What separates plats from golds? I'd say map awareness, more than anything. Watch pro streamers with cams and look at their eyes, you'll see that they spend almost half the game looking at the map. Lower elo players tend to just only look at minion health and their lane opponents.
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Sona is also a really good low Elo support if you can keep your stupid ADC from raging out after you double kill the enemy botlane This is the hardest part of playing Sona. I'd say it's even harder than learning how to position so you don't get blown up constantly.
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