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Patter Song posted:I think two axes are necessary: insider/outsider and Establishment/Antiestablishment. dont get the fiorina designation considering her entire candidacy surge is based on the conservative mainstream saying how amazing she was in that first joke kiddie debate. maybe different definitions of outsider but ceo/failed senate run dont strike me as an outsider. fun tunnel fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Sep 21, 2015 |
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fun tunnel posted:dont get the fiorina designation considering her entire candidacy surge is based on the conservative mainstream saying how amazing she was in that first joke kiddie debate. Outsider means not in mainstream politics via holding office
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fun tunnel posted:dont get the fiorina designation considering her entire candidacy surge is based on the conservative mainstream saying how amazing she was in that first joke kiddie debate. She's an outsider because she's never held elected office or been in a job that significantly involved elected officials or elections. One campaign doesn't make her an insider, especially when it was as ineptly run as hers. She's establishment because, as you note, the party establishment really likes her and is supporting her.
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chalk it up to different definitions then but thats squabbling over semantics.
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Carly is an outsider to the media, but an establishment-RINO to the base.
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the question is would fiorina and carson's supporters be more likely to go to trump or rubio? as for bush, he could regroup if the Eye of The Donald moves to other better polling candidates for a while but if trump bullies him straight through to christmas then it will kill his candidacy
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skaboomizzy posted:Remember when people wanted John Kerry excommunicated from the Church for being pro-choice? Maybe someone should call them up to ask about Chris Christie. Do you expect Christie to change his opinions just because the Pope disagrees? I think it was a decent answer.
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Reaganball Z posted:the question is would fiorina and carson's supporters be more likely to go to trump or rubio? as for bush, he could regroup if the Eye of The Donald moves to other better polling candidates for a while but if trump bullies him straight through to christmas then it will kill his candidacy jeb is done. the base knows it. the establishment knows it. the donor class knows it. id be shocked at their incompetence if i didnt know they had nominated mcain/romny the last two elections. stiff in a suit is done after the base going face down rear end up for two candidates they hate cause 'they had the best shot at winning' before being easily beaten.
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fun tunnel posted:jeb is done. the base knows it. the establishment knows it. the donor class knows it. id be shocked at their incompetence if i didnt know they had nominated mcain/romny the last two elections. stiff in a suit is done after the base going face down rear end up for two candidates they hate cause 'they had the best shot at winning' before being easily beaten. Probably waiting until Jeb!lation unfolds on Super Tuesday!
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Lastgirl posted:not only that Punks were a small part of gen x. That's the most-republican generation.
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Nonsense posted:Probably waiting until Jeb!lation unfolds on Super Tuesday! like any other elite the republican media/establishment is hilariously isolated.
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Sep 21, 2015 08:51
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But the exclamation mark connotes excitement
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jabe has to go down as one of the most incompetently ran campaigns in recent memory. infinite money/media/political backing and he cant crack the margin of error.
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fun tunnel posted:jabe has to go down as one of the most incompetently ran campaigns in recent memory. infinite money/media/political backing and he cant crack the margin of error.
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FMguru posted:Bush looks like the second coming of JFK compared to the way Walker has faceplanted. walker at least has the excuse of being an unfortunate looking man married to a women 12 years his senior. bush is the son of a political dynasty the general electorate wouldve bullied in junior high.
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someone photoshop jeb bush as the twin towers with jeb bush on a segway as the plane flying into them.
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Trump is the only choice. When trump talks about immigration and citizenship by blood rather than accident of birth it makes me so happy.
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Can we posthumously try Prescott Bush for treason?
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I wonder how Cruz feels about birthright citizenship. He was silent during that part of the debate. Since he was born in Canada, I'm sure he can speak from experience about the issue.
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fun tunnel posted:walker at least has the excuse of being an unfortunate looking man married to a women 12 years his senior. bush is the son of a political dynasty the general electorate wouldve bullied in junior high. im not sure why you decided to get a burn in on scott's wife but older women can be hot to some people
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I was away for the weekend. Anything happen that will change the race, or did Donald Trump just say more ridiculous stuff while Hillary came off cold in interviews?
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Feelin' the Bern.
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Uncle Wemus posted:Can we posthumously try Prescott Bush for treason? 
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Joementum posted:I was away for the weekend. Anything happen that will change the race, or did Donald Trump just say more ridiculous stuff while Hillary came off cold in interviews? Post debate polls or something nothing really happened
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Ben Carson said that Muslims shouldn't be president
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Xenophon posted:Ben Carson said that Muslims shouldn't be president Why we don't give interviews while high for 500, Alex.
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Xenophon posted:Ben Carson said that Muslims shouldn't be president Which really doesn't make sense with how good Obama has been doing.
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Fantastic_Mr_Fox posted:Which really doesn't make sense with how good Obama has been doing. Yeah, Ben Carson thinks Obama's doing great.
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Xenophon posted:Ben Carson said that Muslims shouldn't be president To be honest, I feel like this is the early rumblings of the next major issue of the primary, which is, Doing Something About the Muslims With Donald Trump getting railed over the True Tea Party Patriot in his audience, Ben Carson saying Muslims shouldn't be president, all the pundits and candidates weighing in on the Syrian refugee crisis over the last few weeks, and then the general conservative response so far to Obama inviting Ahmed Mohamed (the clock kid) to the white house... Islamophobic statements seem to be ramping up pretty quickly
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Joementum posted:I was away for the weekend. Anything happen that will change the race, or did Donald Trump just say more ridiculous stuff while Hillary came off cold in interviews? A second segway has hit the tower.
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Mirthless posted:To be honest, I feel like this is the early rumblings of the next major issue of the primary, which is, Doing Something About the Muslims Well, they are getting the picture regarding gay marriage and have pivoted to another lowest common denominator.
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Mirthless posted:To be honest, I feel like this is the early rumblings of the next major issue of the primary, which is, Doing Something About the Muslims what have they said so far about the Syrian refugees? i assume awful poo poo but still. I have heard similar stuff from people around my area.
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Whether religious tests should be required for office was one of the most contentious issues in ratifying the constitution. The residents of Townshend, MA instructed their delegates to the Massachusetts ratifying convention, "Atheists Deists Papits or abettors of any false religious" should be kept out of office though they "would not Exclude any Denomination of Protestants who hold the fundamentals of our religion". That last bit was important because ratification would require the votes of delegates from Maine (at the time part of Massachusetts), many of whom were (gasp) Baptist. Similar debates occurred in Virginia and North Carolina.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:what have they said so far about the Syrian refugees? i assume awful poo poo but still. There's been some attempts to keep it positive but negativity from the usual suspects (cruz, huckabee) has been consistent and with the new pledge from Kerry to up our cap to 100,000 refugees in by 2017 and bring in at least a token amount of Syrians, I expect the rhetoric from the islamophobic branch of the GOP to be extreme, and loud. I feel like DWS' position on having only six debates is starting to make a lot of sense. While the Democrats fly under the radar, the Republicans are hard at work hanging themselves with all this rope we're giving them. Mirthless fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Sep 21, 2015 |
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Joementum posted:Whether religious tests should be required for office was one of the most contentious issues in ratifying the constitution. The residents of Townshend, MA instructed their delegates to the Massachusetts ratifying convention, "Atheists Deists Papits or abettors of any false religious" should be kept out of office though they "would not Exclude any Denomination of Protestants who hold the fundamentals of our religion". That last bit was important because ratification would require the votes of delegates from Maine (at the time part of Massachusetts), many of whom were (gasp) Baptist. This is actually a really interesting topic because not only does it explain the historical context of the First Amendment, but it brings to fore the idea of Christianization, especially in the US. Namely, that instead of different Christian sects, you have this uniform blob of American "Christianity" (with maybe some Catholics off to the side, especially Hispanic and New England Catholics?) which is especially glaring when you think about how prominent sectarianism is in some parts of the Old World. It's a fascinating conceptual shift and explains some of how Supply Side Gospel also came to be: when you are just vaguely "Christian" it's easier to not get entangled in the orthodoxy and the Word which is useful when you use religion as an identity-political tool instead of, you know, a religion.
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Mirthless posted:I feel like DWS' position on having only six debates is starting to make a lot of sense. While the Democrats fly under the radar, the Republicans are hard at work hanging themselves with all this rope we're giving them. Likewise the repubs have all this time to try to weed out their insurgent candidates, or in this year's case try to outlast Trump's bluster and still have 6 debates after he runs out of steam.
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The GOP primary audience is pretty anti Muslim.
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