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Velthice posted:nah it's still bad, especially now with it's endgame, it's worse than ever Did you get kicked from an Alex party or something?
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:well it's the least bad mmo atm.
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Sep 20, 2015 21:46
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Verranicus posted:Did you get kicked from an Alex party or something? Nah, just jealous he doesn't get to drive the gobwalker 
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Sep 20, 2015 22:09
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Wonder Turbine posted:Nah, just jealous he doesn't get to drive the gobwalker if I was driving we'd be stuck at whatever wave the bombs start spawning because I'd be trying to make it breakdance in the corner but seriously, back at verranicus, xiv has some real deal problems right now, from accessibility of expansion content to the tuning of alex savage. you can pretend that it's fine and there's no problems if you want, but when like 95% of the playerbase actually agrees that there's some problems, then guess what? there just might be some problems there
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Sep 20, 2015 22:19
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Velthice posted:if I was driving we'd be stuck at whatever wave the bombs start spawning because I'd be trying to make it breakdance in the corner feels good, man
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Sep 20, 2015 22:24
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aren't savages supposed to be super hard back when i played those were just challenge modes for sadbrained idiots who take raiding seriously and awarded nothing but useless titles did they put actual rewards into them now?
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Sep 20, 2015 22:46
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RottenK posted:aren't savages supposed to be super hard yea they are. the problem is they took out the normal raid difficulty, so there's just facreroll easy that gives out gear worse than the gear you can get with the currency from running endgame dungeons, and then there's super hard, slam your dick in a door forever content with no in between. savage does give out the best gear now, but only like a handful (<100) people can even beat it, so now there's lots of people taking breaks, or just outright quitting because there's nothing for the weekend warrior to do basically they pulled a wildstar and said, here's our super hard raid that only 1% of people can clear, and there's nothing else to do if you don't want to do that so gg
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Sep 20, 2015 23:01
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Velthice posted:if I was driving we'd be stuck at whatever wave the bombs start spawning because I'd be trying to make it breakdance in the corner I personally don't see a problem with requiring people to do the base game content before they can access the expansion. If you're new to the game, the content is all new to you so there's no reason to rush. As for Savage stuff, I think it's fine where it stands and I don't even do raiding stuff. I did A1-3 and have yet to try 4 and even normal felt challenging enough for me. EDIT: Also there are people taking breaks and "quitting" because that's how MMOs work now. There's always a lull before a new patch. It's not some sign that the game is dying or anything. Devs can never pump out enough content to please people.
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Sep 20, 2015 23:12
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Velthice posted:yea they are. the problem is they took out the normal raid difficulty, so there's just facreroll easy that gives out gear worse than the gear you can get with the currency from running endgame dungeons, and then there's super hard, slam your dick in a door forever content with no in between. savage does give out the best gear now, but only like a handful (<100) people can even beat it, so now there's lots of people taking breaks, or just outright quitting because there's nothing for the weekend warrior to do i honestly wouldn't see much of an issue with this if not for that part about putting good drops in there but i'm racist against raiders so my opinion is biased
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Sep 20, 2015 23:18
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Verranicus posted:I personally don't see a problem with requiring people to do the base game content before they can access the expansion. If you're new to the game, the content is all new to you so there's no reason to rush. As for Savage stuff, I think it's fine where it stands and I don't even do raiding stuff. I did A1-3 and have yet to try 4 and even normal felt challenging enough for me. this isn't a case of, not enough content, this is a case of people looking at the content, going "this is loving stupid" and then quitting, or throwing themselves at it until they burn out and still make no progress. A1S is breaking all the laid back groups that used to have no problem chipping away at coil, and A3S is mopping up the rest that get through. but nah you're right, slamming your dick in a door is cool and good, not that i've tried it myself of course
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ffxiv defense squad, we're under fire in the wildstar thread and need air support and reinforcement, do you copy
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Velthice posted:this isn't a case of, not enough content, this is a case of people looking at the content, going "this is loving stupid" and then quitting, or throwing themselves at it until they burn out and still make no progress. A1S is breaking all the laid back groups that used to have no problem chipping away at coil, and A3S is mopping up the rest that get through. but nah you're right, slamming your dick in a door is cool and good, not that i've tried it myself of course This is exactly right. My group is on A3 right now, and basically every single other group I knew that was trying Alexander has broken on A1. There's absolutely no middle ground. Alexander normal was clearable on release in duty finder which was great. But if you're a mid tier group there's almost nothing for you to do. A lot of those stall out really fast on A1 and then there's nothing else for them to do. Clearing Alexander normal for months isn't going to be satisfying, and the recent live letter hasn't offered them much either. The game really isn't in that healthy of a place right now.
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I guess I'm biased because I haven't seriously raided since WOTLK. Wouldn't say I'm part of an FFXIV Defense Force, though. It's a good game and I don't personally agree with most of the complaints, but people are free to like and dislike what they want.
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Sep 21, 2015 00:05
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RottenK posted:i honestly wouldn't see much of an issue with this if not for that part about putting good drops in there I think its like 10 illvls higher than what you could get from stone currency. Once the next patch hits they'll be same ilvl gear you could get from doing 24 man content thats probably a faceroll.
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Verranicus posted:I guess I'm biased because I haven't seriously raided since WOTLK. Wouldn't say I'm part of an FFXIV Defense Force, though. It's a good game and I don't personally agree with most of the complaints, but people are free to like and dislike what they want. you say that, yet still wanted to post about how wrong his opinion was, interesting
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Sep 21, 2015 01:33
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:you say that, yet still wanted to post about how wrong his opinion was, interesting Saying something like "FFXIV is a lovely game" is a dumb thing to say. Explaining why you feel that way is different.
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Sep 21, 2015 01:39
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The tuning in savage is like if half of hfc was easy as gently caress then the second half is all archimonde mythic difficulty. They need to do 6 bosses so they can have a ramp up in difficulty instead of going straight up a cliff after the second boss. It also doesn't help they love pass the buff mechanics and their net code is poo poo so half the time it doesn't pass.
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Sep 21, 2015 01:58
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Verranicus posted:Saying something like "FFXIV is a lovely game" is a dumb thing to say. Explaining why you feel that way is different. It's not dumb when it's right. 
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Sep 21, 2015 02:20
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:It's not dumb when it's right. Where did the bad game touch you that you're so butthurt over it?
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Verranicus posted:Where did the bad game touch you that you're so butthurt over it? 
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Verranicus posted:Where did the bad game touch you that you're so butthurt over it? It is dumb though
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Sep 21, 2015 03:46
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Is wildstar f2l going to be lovely dumb 40 man raids still or did they realize how lovely it is
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Eonwe posted:Is wildstar f2l going to be lovely dumb 40 man raids still or did they realize how lovely it is They ditched 40m content a few months back. Because they realized they only had 39 active players.
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Sep 21, 2015 03:52
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How many players in a dungeon now
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It's probably going to be the same premise, unless ncsoft went behind everyone's backs and fired literally all of the lead developers and replaced them so there was no trace of grog left. Also did I miss the window to play smite, I downloaded it and did the tutorial and it's p cool but stanley is never playing it when I'm on
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Sep 21, 2015 03:54
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Eonwe posted:How many players in a dungeon now None.
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Morglon posted:None. Lmao
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:It's probably going to be the same premise, unless ncsoft went behind everyone's backs and fired literally all of the lead developers and replaced them so there was no trace of grog left. Let me know and we'll play tomorrow
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Sep 21, 2015 03:56
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But for real are they gonna be like 5 man groups or what
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Eonwe posted:But for real are they gonna be like 5 man groups or what they cut raids down to 20 people and i dont think they changed groups for dungeons at all but they redistributed them across a more even level spread and added a few more early on to teach people mechanics better or something they redistributed a lot of endgame content throughout the whole level progression from what i understand, so theres more to do while you level and less unnecessary endgame story content
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Anyone have a guest pass for this floating around? I kinda wanna see what the game is like before the influx of F2P people.
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Or you could wait an extra week for the game to be dead again.
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Verranicus posted:Anyone have a guest pass for this floating around? I kinda wanna see what the game is like before the influx of F2P people. Here's a synopsis:
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It goes F2P the 29th. Wait exactly 1 week after that, maybe less, and explore the ghost town to your heart's content and shut up about it.
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The F2P beta has had some people playing it, but the 'PLAYERS NEAR YOU' thing doesn't really say how far away those people are; it may be zone wide, it may be sub-zone only; I goofed around one night when there were 15 people 'nearby.' Whether or not that was the whole zone or just near the quest hub determines whether or not that's sad.
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John Dyne posted:The F2P beta has had some people playing it, but the 'PLAYERS NEAR YOU' thing doesn't really say how far away those people are; it may be zone wide, it may be sub-zone only; I goofed around one night when there were 15 people 'nearby.' It's a radius around you, not the whole zone. Beta participation has picked up a bit this past week or so.
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I have the 29th marked on my calendar as "huge waste of time" and I'm getting anxious. Can't wait
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:well it's the least bad mmo atm. This is the only metric for MMOs. A logarithmic scale of badness.
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Kagon posted:This is exactly right. My group is on A3 right now, and basically every single other group I knew that was trying Alexander has broken on A1. There's absolutely no middle ground. Alexander normal was clearable on release in duty finder which was great. But if you're a mid tier group there's almost nothing for you to do. A lot of those stall out really fast on A1 and then there's nothing else for them to do. Clearing Alexander normal for months isn't going to be satisfying, and the recent live letter hasn't offered them much either. The game really isn't in that healthy of a place right now. I'd also argue that the class changes they made for the expansion are moronic pursuit of complexity for complexitiy's sake. At least that more than anything killed the game. Dumb poo poo like Enochian, Wanderer's Minuet changing how blm and brd play and then loving adding back positionals to ninja when ninja was good because it didn't have that bullshit. The fact that the current end game is a mess doesn't help but I think they made some fundamentally wrong decisions in how they changed dps classes. Healers and tanks got off fairly well, bloated skillbars aside.
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