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I'm appalled that we let the German fifth column roam freely throughout the US during world war 2 instead of rounding up everyone who had, oh say, at least one German grandmother.
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Phone posting, plus it's pretty boiler plate, so no screencaps. A science teacher friend of mine just replied to one of her friends complaining about Jerry Brown. The conversation was about climate change and its role in the recent fires. My friend hit all the rights spots, but there were two idiot friends obviously not reading much of anything, yet remaining cordial. An environmental scientist friend who works in the field added her two cents, cordially, but got met with hand waving that the forests have been mismanaged and we should have allowed MORE logging to prevent fires. Another friend who seemed on the fence at first came around and began arguing against the two climate deniers, but very nicely. Everything went to hell when this person said, "so what would you have us do? Just wait out this cycle? Not if you care about your children and grandchildren." The response to that was, "low blow!" To which the other person apologized. You've got to be kidding me. Eventually one of the climate deniers revealed themselves to be a YE creationist and posted a link to answersingenesis. My friend and her scientist friend called uncle and bowed out. What the gently caress is wrong with these people? I feel a pit of despair in my chest every time I notice a new dead evergreen, and these assholes don't think anything of it because they think their loving SUVs, sheetrock mansions and pizza for the little league after-game is more valuable than sustaining than the natural environment. I'm seriously a one issue voter now. Hell, if Trump was as nutso about the environment as he was about yooge walls I'd even vote for him (not really, because I don't think he's actually capable).
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Sep 22, 2015 07:21
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The saddest part of that story is that those people treated a very realistic statement as a "low blow." "What's that? My grandchildren might not have a place to live one day? Fuckin' low blow, man! Don't give me that!"
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Sep 22, 2015 07:29
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"I don't like the implications of your argument, therefore don't make it anymore, TIA".
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Sep 22, 2015 07:42
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Strudel Man posted:That one's pretty plainly true, though, looking at the thing. It's just something of a non sequitur - even if it's not a technically impressive feat to stick clock innards into a pencil case, it also doesn't explain or justify in any way school officials and police assuming exposed wires = bomb, or calling it a 'hoax bomb' when there was clearly never any intent to present it as one. Red herring, not non sequitur.
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Sep 22, 2015 07:46
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VideoTapir posted:Red herring, not non sequitur.
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Sep 22, 2015 08:26
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Soviet Commubot posted:I think the last guy here is saying that we shouldn't let Germans be President either. To be fair, given the tensions and traumas of the two world wars, Americans could be forgiven for refusing to vote for a German for at least a few decades. Oh wait. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower Nice try, Herr General Von Eisenhauer!
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Sep 22, 2015 10:57
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Senf posted:The saddest part of that story is that those people treated a very realistic statement as a "low blow." Axetrain posted:"I don't like the implications of your argument, therefore don't make it anymore, TIA". That people are willing to argue this way makes me so, so sad. They will willingly raze the planet to the ground while being scale aliased that you'd call them out on obvious problems in their logic or dare appeal to the care of their children.
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Sep 22, 2015 13:26
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archangelwar posted:The check guy is a friend of a friend. He never sent anyone the check, he just took a picture and posted it on Facebook. He's a tremendous idiot but the stories about it are fabricated. Considering how he left his address visible in the first picture he posted, I totally believe he's a tremendous idiot. I don't know if he replaced it with a blocked out image or it's the goodwill of the internet sharing an anonymous image keeping him safe from interesting subscriptions in the future. We'll see.
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Sep 22, 2015 14:14
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It's pretty bloody tragic that people are so unfamiliar with electronics projects that they think that a bunch of wires stuck together look like a bomb. Back before computers, any nerdy kid would have a room full of crudely soldered projects. Now all the nerdy kids are learning Javascript. But we still need electronics...
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Sep 22, 2015 14:20
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Luckily people aren't as dumb as all that. They don't think all hobbyist electronics are bombs, just electronics in the hands of Muslim children.
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Sep 22, 2015 14:38
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Good thing nobody actually thought it was a bomb then. Thinking it looks like a bomb != thinks it is a bomb.
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Sep 22, 2015 15:06
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Armyman25 posted:Good thing nobody actually thought it was a bomb then. Thinking it looks like a bomb != thinks it is a bomb. A lot of people still thinks it was a bomb. It doesn't matter anyway, both lines of thought are dumb.
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Sep 22, 2015 15:39
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Armyman25 posted:So, the 1st and 2nd teachers he showed the clock to are both racists? The First teacher didn't think it was a bomb and doubtfully thought it looked like a bomb. More likely the second teacher thought people who didn't know better would say it looked like a bomb based off of television. The second teacher falls into that category of not knowing better.
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Sep 22, 2015 16:11
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Soviet Commubot posted:I think the last guy here is saying that we shouldn't let Germans be President either. Also, surprisingly, the OP is my old sergeant major. He seems to have mellowed out in the "ride my Harley everywhere" phase of his retirement. "The German citizens did NOTHING" What a loving tool.
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Sep 22, 2015 16:46
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The idea that Germans were apathetic after the camps were liberated is pretty offensive as well. Post-war Germany is one of the only countries in history that has experienced enormous societal shame after committing wartime atrocities and has gone to enormous lengths to keep it from happening again while simultaneously owning up to it.
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Sep 22, 2015 17:05
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Armyman25 posted:Good thing nobody actually thought it was a bomb then. Thinking it looks like a bomb != thinks it is a bomb. If you can tell by looking at it that it's not a bomb, then you don't think it looks like a bomb. What you're looking for is "thinking someone else might think it looks like a bomb, which apparently is a reason to call the police on a child"
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Sep 22, 2015 17:21
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Armyman seems pretty committed to dying on the hill of "the school did nothing wrong". 
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Sep 22, 2015 17:26
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VitalSigns posted:If you can tell by looking at it that it's not a bomb, then you don't think it looks like a bomb. People say I look like my dad but they can tell I am not my dad. Does that mean I don't look like him?
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Sep 22, 2015 17:45
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Armyman25 posted:People say I look like my dad but they can tell I am not my dad. Does that mean I don't look like him? It's almost as if they have spent their entire lives learning to tell people apart or something. As opposed to most people's experience of bombs being what they saw on CSI that one time.
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Sep 22, 2015 17:51
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Armyman25 posted:People say I look like my dad but they can tell I am not my dad. Does that mean I don't look like him? It means that if the cops had a warrant for your dad's arrest and they arrested you, they hosed up royally. Do you see any parallels to the situation under discussion?
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Sep 22, 2015 17:51
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Armyman25 posted:People say I look like my dad but they can tell I am not my dad. Does that mean I don't look like him? I've noticed that you have a lot of the same facial features and body parts as President Obama. I know you've never claimed to be the President, but I can't see why you'd present yourself in such a way if you weren't trying to trick people. True, a person who has some basic familiarity with humanity will be able to easily tell that you're not President Obama, they'll point out little details like facial structure and hairstyles, but for those of us who aren't experts, you really look the same. EDIT: HOLY poo poo! 
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Sep 22, 2015 17:52
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Mellow Seas posted:It means that if the cops had a warrant for your dad's arrest and they arrested you, they hosed up royally. Do you see any parallels to the situation under discussion? On the other hand, if they beat him to death and hung him in a holding cell, he'd support the cops on that.
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Sep 22, 2015 17:59
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Armyman25 posted:Good thing nobody actually thought it was a bomb then. Thinking it looks like a bomb != thinks it is a bomb. A ton of idiots think it looks like a bomb. The school and police claim it looked like a fake bomb, but so would pretty much any electronic project. The open question is whether a student who white and not named Mohamed would have had a similar response.
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Sep 22, 2015 18:02
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Mellow Seas posted:It means that if the cops had a warrant for your dad's arrest and they arrested you, they hosed up royally. Do you see any parallels to the situation under discussion? More like if the cops knew who you were, but they arrested you anyway in case you were pretending to be your dad even though you never claimed to be and in fact steadfastly maintained the opposite.
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Sep 22, 2015 18:09
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So the last six or so responses agree that two things that share similar features look like each other, even though they are distinguishable from each other. So why is the idea that someone thinking that what he brought looks like a bomb while still thinking it is not a bomb so controversial?
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Sep 22, 2015 18:18
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Armyman25 posted:So the last six or so responses agree that two things that share similar features look like each other, even though they are distinguishable from each other. So why is the idea that someone thinking that what he brought looks like a bomb while still thinking it is not a bomb so controversial? the fact that a stupid person thought a random assortment of electronic bits in a box resembled a bomb isn't controversial. it's just a really stupid and possibly bigoted thing to think. like extraordinarily stupid to think that some wires and a circuit board resembles a bomb, much like a two liter bottle next to a rag resembles a bomb. it's not a reasonable comparison that a sane or intelligent person would make, because the category of 'things that look like bombs' is hilariously broad and things that resemble bombs but are not bombs are not banned by the Irving ISD student contraband: Fireworks of any kind, smoke or stink bombs, or any other pyrotechnic device; A razor, box cutter, chain, or any other object used in a way that threatens or inflicts bodily injury to another person; A ―look-alike‖ weapon; An air gun or BB gun; Ammunition; A stun gun; A pocketknife or any other small knife, or any knife not defined as an illegal weapon; Mace or pepper spray; Pornographic material; Tobacco products; cigarettes; e-cigarettes; and any component, part, or accessory for an e-cigarette device; Mechanical, electronic or imitation devices designed to simulate cigarettes regardless of substance content; Synthetic marijuana Matches or a lighter; A laser pointer for other than an approved use; or Any articles not generally considered to be weapons, including school supplies, when the principal or designee determines that a danger exists. (For weapons and firearms see DAEP Placement and Expulsion.) the only possible clauses are 'a look-alike weapon' or 'any articles not generally considered to be weapons when the principal or designee determines that a danger exists'. if we can argue that a random assortment of electronic bits in a box resembles a bomb then we can also argue that a cell phone resembles a bomb, but students are allowed to bring cell phones
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Sep 22, 2015 18:27
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tampons resemble sticks of dynamite, ban tampons baseballs resemble hand grenades, shut down the baseball team etc. we really can't base policy on people's inability to recognize common household objects from a short distance away in good lighting conditions
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Sep 22, 2015 18:28
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Jurgan posted:So it's ridiculous to think a pop-tart is a gun, but it's also ridiculous to think a clock isn't a bomb? Should Ahmed be demanding his second amendment rights to carry bombs? Because it's seen such a resurgence lately (As an argument for why its a double standard) I looked it up: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/examiner-recommends-school-board-uphold-pop-tart-suspension/ quote:"As much as the parents want this case to be about a 'gun,' it is, rather, a case about classroom disruption from a student who has had a long history of disruptive behavior," Nussbaum wrote in his opinion, which was dated June 26, the Washington Post reported. He asserted that the suspension came as a result of disciplinary problems the boy had, and not just because of what he did with the breakfast pastry. Basically the kid had a history of being disruptive and that was the last straw, as opposed to suspending a poor boy who just was playing make believe.
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Sep 22, 2015 18:30
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Armyman25 posted:So the last six or so responses agree that two things that share similar features look like each other, even though they are distinguishable from each other. So why is the idea that someone thinking that what he brought looks like a bomb while still thinking it is not a bomb so controversial? Reaction to seeing something that in your inexpert opinion *could* be a bomb: Better evacuate the school and call the bomb squad to be safe.
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Sep 22, 2015 18:31
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Armyman25 posted:So the last six or so responses agree that two things that share similar features look like each other, even though they are distinguishable from each other. So why is the idea that someone thinking that what he brought looks like a bomb while still thinking it is not a bomb so controversial? Anyone who knows it's not a bomb by looking at it also doesn't think it looks like a bomb, because it has nothing that can explode or looks like it can explode. Last I checked, bombs require something more than zero grams of explosives.
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Sep 22, 2015 18:33
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Popular Thug Drink posted:student contraband: 
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Sep 22, 2015 18:34
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Armyman25 posted:So the last six or so responses agree that two things that share similar features look like each other, even though they are distinguishable from each other. So why is the idea that someone thinking that what he brought looks like a bomb while still thinking it is not a bomb so controversial? What's baffling everyone is that you care so much about this inconsequential part of the story, please go outside
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Sep 22, 2015 18:43
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Hello, police? I'm calling to report a student with something that looks like, but is not, a bomb.
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Sep 22, 2015 18:55
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Hello sir, for a moment I believed that cell phone you pulled out was a gun. It was a split second, and I realized before reacting what it was, but I'm going to have to arrest you anyway or else I would feel embarrassed.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:00
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BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:Hello sir, for a moment I believed that cell phone you pulled out was a gun. It was a split second, and I realized before reacting what it was, but I'm going to have to arrest you anyway or else I would feel embarrassed. I was there, I didn't at any point actually think it was a gun, but for a minute I was like "That's definitely not a gun... But someone could possibly mistake that for a gun" and that's close enough.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:06
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I remember when I was in highschool I saw someone come to school in an old Toyota Camry, so I called the police because I was pretty sure it wasn't a carbomb but it looked like what Hollywood told me carbombs look liked.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:13
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1stGear posted:The idea that Germans were apathetic after the camps were liberated is pretty offensive as well. Post-war Germany is one of the only countries in history that has experienced enormous societal shame after committing wartime atrocities and has gone to enormous lengths to keep it from happening again while simultaneously owning up to it. I think they started blowing up poo poo in order to complete denazifcation. In West Germany at least.  That's a hell of a lot better then our assorted collection of homegrown militia shitheads.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:19
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Armyman25 posted:So the last six or so responses agree that two things that share similar features look like each other, even though they are distinguishable from each other. So why is the idea that someone thinking that what he brought looks like a bomb while still thinking it is not a bomb so controversial? Because if nobody thought it was a bomb, just that it looked like a bomb, then it makes the reaction even more overblown which makes it hard to defend it as anything but profiling the Muslim kid which is illegal and morally reprehensible. Like, yeah, it doesn't seem like anyone believed it was an actual bomb, so what is the justification for how it was handled and how he was treated? There is none.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I was there, I didn't at any point actually think it was a gun, but for a minute I was like "That's definitely not a gun... But someone could possibly mistake that for a gun" and that's close enough. I suppose there's precedent for extrajudicially shooting a kid because he was practicing legal open carry with a "probably fake" gun, so Ahmed should be glad he got off easy?
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