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There isn't an organizational structure ron d moore wrote about that isn't hamfisted and incompetent. Even the federation becomes flawed idiots once he gets his hands on them.
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Mondian posted:Not just chuckling, but throwing it back in his face with a "maybe you should talk to Worf again" hahaha i loved damar  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acF2f3XLfCo ok, so i dont know how to embed and specify a start time.... start at 3:00 Shadow fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Sep 22, 2015 |
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Sep 22, 2015 18:30
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The controls, genetic or otherwise, aren't there to stop a few guys trying to go rogue every now and again. They are there to stop a full blown rebellion. Who gives a gently caress if like 5 guys decide they want to kill the founders because of some weird coincidence breaking down their drug addiction, years of propaganda, and genetic instincts. They have to fight their way through an entire army of dudes willing to die to take them out to get close. The only team that got close to doing it was those guys who found the teleporter gate thing that can transport you anywhere in time and space and you can't really plan for that poo poo.
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Sep 22, 2015 18:39
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Shadow posted:hahaha i loved damar 
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Sep 22, 2015 18:42
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That dude playing Damar really did a great job. He started as a one-line background character and worked it up into something awesome. With ten pounds of plastic glued to his face
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Sep 22, 2015 18:42
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Shadow posted:hahaha i loved damar lmao damar shouting YOU hosed UP IDIOT at weyoun 7's corpse
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Sep 22, 2015 18:51
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There's a lot of idiotic debate over this slave race thing, so my two cents: Obviously you can't craft the perfect obedient race without some risk of it falling out of your control. Bear in mind, the Jem'Hadar are physically strong and have a militaristic culture. There's no sex, no music, no creative outlet except for the arts of war. If left to their own devices, the Jem'Hadar would basically become soulless Klingons, rampaging the galaxy in search of new foes to slaughter. They were never designed to be a functioning race, but they are sentient nevertheless, and that's the biggest danger with them. The Jem'Hadar know and respect combat, fighting, and they seem to have a concept of honor, since all of these are programmed into them to make them happy to go out and die for the Founders. When the Jem'Hadar jailer comes to respect Worf, it's simply his programming reacting to a circumstance the programmer's didn't expect. That's why the Vorta vaporizes him. He's essentially "glitching". Now, look at the example of the Jem'Hadar serving the Vorta who orders them to their deaths. Sisko and him even talk about it--both know that this is a suicide mission for the Jem'Hadar, but his programming, his genetic loyalty, is too strong even for his reason and logic to supercede it. It demonstrates that the biological controls are not perfect, but ultimately they are adequate. The Jem'Hadar will never NOT be horrifying genetic murder machines. They will never have a peaceful society, they will never have art, music, or anything else. They are fundamentally flawed, by design. Their flaws are designed with multiple safeguards to ensure they can be controlled. Basically, if you breed the deadliest Pit Bull in the world, you'll keep it on a chain, and you'll make it wear a muzzle unless you want it to bite, lest it strike out at your hand instead. The Founders are well aware that the Jem'Hadar are a double-edged sword, and that is why the Vorta exist, to act as a buffer between them. If something happens, it is the Vorta who dies, and the Vorta don't have to worry too much about death 'cause they are clones.
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Sep 22, 2015 18:53
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BottledBodhisvata posted:
I didn't read the rest
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Sep 22, 2015 18:59
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Tujague posted:I didn't read the rest Because its so obvious?
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Sep 22, 2015 19:00
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i read somewhere that the truth lies somewhere in the middle
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Sep 22, 2015 19:03
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Zigmidge posted:There isn't an organizational structure ron d moore wrote about that isn't hamfisted and incompetent. he also can't write a relationship that isn't horribly dysfunctional
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Sep 22, 2015 19:05
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Shadow posted:i read somewhere that the truth lies somewhere in the middle In this thread? Unironically yes.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:06
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Tujague posted:I didn't read the rest It can't be done. You could make a perfectly obedient race if you make a immobile drone that does nothing at all. If you give a species the ability to DO stuff, like kill a million dudes, then at some point it's going to occur to that species, even if it takes a dozen generations to do so, that maybe it could also kill you. You can't prevent genetic mutations, accidents, external influence, or anything of that nature from eventually tainting the purity of your creation. The only thing you can do is attempt to create fail-safes to prevent anything that you can't predict. Without omniscience, you are always going to be vulnerable to something you don't yet understand.
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Sep 22, 2015 19:13
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wow
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Sep 22, 2015 19:25
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even an autonomous robot drone ai with strict rules would encounter situations its creator could not anticipate
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Sep 22, 2015 20:53
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How dare you plebians disrespect Tujague's dual PHDs in genetic engineering and artificial intelligence. He will prove to the whole world that perfect, thinking slaves can easily be made in both flesh and machine form. In fact he's working on some right now in the basement. He'd probably be done already if mom didn't keep pestering him to find a job.
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Sep 22, 2015 21:07
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Tujague posted:wow tujague, his eyes uncovered
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Sep 22, 2015 21:16
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I dunno, I get the feeling that no matter how many bags of doritos I eat, somebody else already scarfed down the magical one that literally transformed him into Le Wise Goon Who Can See Beyond, who can authoritatively state which elements of Star Trek Brand Fantasy TV Show of Made Up poo poo obviously can happen and what elements obviously can't happen on loving philosophical grounds Hey, just for my own peace of mind, thanks for allowing uhhh laser warp drives and subspace zapnortion fields to work, guy. It would have been a lovely show if your secret knowledge had decided against that poo poo. So, you know, on behalf of us normies. Really. Jumpin' jesus you loving human being
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Tujague posted:I dunno, I get the feeling that no matter how many bags of doritos I eat, somebody else already scarfed down the magical one that literally transformed him into Le Wise Goon Who Can See Beyond, who can authoritatively state which elements of Star Trek Brand Fantasy TV Show of Made Up poo poo obviously can happen and what elements obviously can't happen on loving philosophical grounds lmao
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Sep 22, 2015 21:39
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"Normie": a person who gets into internet slap fights and calls people faggots over Star Trek lore. Also loves pony porn.
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Tujague posted:I dunno, I get the feeling that no matter how many bags of doritos I eat, somebody else already scarfed down the magical one that literally transformed him into Le Wise Goon Who Can See Beyond, who can authoritatively state which elements of Star Trek Brand Fantasy TV Show of Made Up poo poo obviously can happen and what elements obviously can't happen on loving philosophical grounds Why is it that Bronies are the ones who are always upset by my posts? Am I the anti-Brony?
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It's sort of bumming me out watching you guys flail around and and frantically try to land a sick burn on me with anything in reach so let me just help you out here I got this avatar from an enraged 100% legitimate unapologetic brony furry SA user named Reikachu in the following thread like three years ago http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3469348 It was a total blowout and like ten pedo bronies got purged, and one of them dropped 5bux on me in an effort to hurt my fee-fees as bad as I've hurt yours. I've kept it as a memento of the good old days. I dunno if you're literally retarded but many users on this forum have 'ironic' or humorously inaccurate avatars. So you can stop swinging so hard and wipe the agitated foam off your mouths because it's depressing to watch okay keep to the rivers and lakes that you're used to hth
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Sep 22, 2015 21:59
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Tujague posted:It's sort of bumming me out watching you guys flail around and and frantically try to land a sick burn on me with anything in reach so let me just help you out here Not knowing it's  to change someone else's avatar? A shameful goon.
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Sep 22, 2015 22:00
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you gotta stop bro 
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u have mega brain problems
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Tujague posted:It's sort of bumming me out watching you guys flail around and and frantically try to land a sick burn on me with anything in reach so let me just help you out here are you mad
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TEAYCHES posted:are you mad r u gay?
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Tujague posted:It's sort of bumming me out watching you guys flail around and and frantically try to land a sick burn on me with anything in reach so let me just help you out here So you kept the avatar for 3 years? Okay.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:So you kept the avatar for 3 years? happens bro... i've probably had mine since 2004
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Shadow posted:r u gay? im gay
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BottledBodhisvata posted:So you kept the avatar for 3 years? A red-text is a badge of honor that you got someone mad enough to spend (not that the rest of that post wasn't pure strain poo poo).
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BottledBodhisvata posted:So you kept the avatar for 3 years? Hey, you're getting better at this whole "I am Lord Wise Goon, arbiter of what is true and obvious" horseshit
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TEAYCHES posted:im gay i knew it! im straight... does that make me some kinda fag?
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Sep 22, 2015 22:09
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Shadow posted:i knew it! just means theres no place for you in the communist future
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TEAYCHES posted:just means theres no place for you in the communist future jokes on you im a socialist.... a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST 
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Sep 22, 2015 22:20
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Tujague posted:Hey, you're getting better at this whole "I am Lord Wise Goon, arbiter of what is true and obvious" horseshit Hey thanks! Always nice to get a compliment.
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Sep 22, 2015 22:27
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everybody post better jesus christ
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Sep 23, 2015 00:17
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We had the post of the year with corncob alien thesis and now we have to rebalance the flows and chakras with a few pages of bad.
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Sep 23, 2015 00:19
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You're being really insufferable and argumentative and you keep posting about yourself. You should maybe consider not doing that anymore?
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It's like watching a dozen Kai winns argue with dukat in here. Kill yourselves
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