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Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Woolie on Gangsta every week: "It's still amazing!"
Woolie on Gate every week: "*goes into five minute diatribe backed up by Liam on why he still thinks it's good*"

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Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


hubris.height posted:

the difference being that mgs v is an amazing game to actually play, while ffxiii was very much not.

The battle system in FF13 is actually really good. Too bad the game doesn't actually let you use it properly until you are like 20 hours in.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

RareAcumen posted:

Hmm, what other game was it that had all the interesting story bits in a bunch of text instead of the walky-around parts? I think it was...Final Fantasy 13?

Lack of cutscenes and story was not one of FF13's problems.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Rodyle posted:

E: also the reason Liam (and others, myself included) doesn't like the FE changes is because Awakening cut out so much of what made old FE great and then did gangbusters, so that's what FE is now. It's like if Downpour "saved" Silent Hill and we were eagerly waiting for Downpour 2.

Casual Mode is fine as long as it's just an option though.

Don't leave us hanging, Candidate Trump, what features that made FE great were removed?

Tae posted:

Lack of cutscenes and story was not one of FF13's problems.

No, I'm seriously asking, was it 13 or 13-2 that wanted you to read up like an 'Of Mice and Men' long novel to keep yourself up to date on what's happening?

hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

Pork Pro

Andrast posted:

The battle system in FF13 is actually really good. Too bad the game doesn't actually let you use it properly until you are like 20 hours in.

it was alright. ffxiii-2 hit all the same beats in a much better way, and by 3 they were in perfect pace. lightning returns is actually a really good game.

pulp rag
Feb 25, 2013

AGDQ 2018 Awful Block Survivor

Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:

Not to get into spoilers or anything, but I don't see how someone could ever get stuck on the final mission for hours. Assuming you mean final story mission, but the actual last mission also wouldn't make sense.

To be fair, what I'm gonna explain is what I think the final mission was. I haven't touched the game in like a week, and I'm awful at remembering.

I thought the last mission was to just take out a single outpost, not like 10 waves of tanks and helicopters to save Quiet. I had literally only one weapon developed for taking out tanks, because I usually warp-hole'd them by sneaking up all quiet and taking out the escorts. What happened was that after like an hour and a half of zero progress since they give you the actual worst rocket launcher in the game, I reset the mission, then developed body armor and fucktons of explosives. The game doesn't let you exit back out to the ACC once you accept it, I learned. I let the game sit in the beginning of the mission for about an hour and a half while poo poo developed, then it still took me for-loving ever because even with the second-best body armor, a grenade pistol, and a vastly superior launcher I got one-shot by tanks from a mile off.

Also, directional mines straight-up don't work on tanks apparently at the second upgrade level. I set down 4 pairs of 8 mines, side by side, in a row on the main paths and would see every tank just drive on past them without exploding them. Kinda sucked that the mine's description said "anti-personell and -vehicle" and didn't work on vehicles.


In short, I had completely the wrong playstyle the game needed me to have at that point in the game, and had none of the appropriate equipment. I can't really blame the game, since my shortcomings in that area were very blatant, I just chose to ignore it because I never assumed I'd have to do different.

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

Baal posted:

Woolie on Gangsta every week: "It's still amazing!"
Woolie on Gate every week: "*goes into five minute diatribe backed up by Liam on why he still thinks it's good*"

he should really have to justify gangsta too since that show looks like juuuuuuuuuuunk

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
I've watched five episodes of Gangsta and enjoyed what I saw of it. There's nothing gross or of questionable content that you wouldn't find in any other story about Italian gangsters except with some child soldiers mixed it.

Gate on the other hand...

Heroic Yoshimitsu
Jan 15, 2008

pulp rag posted:

To be fair, what I'm gonna explain is what I think the final mission was. I haven't touched the game in like a week, and I'm awful at remembering.

I thought the last mission was to just take out a single outpost, not like 10 waves of tanks and helicopters to save Quiet. I had literally only one weapon developed for taking out tanks, because I usually warp-hole'd them by sneaking up all quiet and taking out the escorts. What happened was that after like an hour and a half of zero progress since they give you the actual worst rocket launcher in the game, I reset the mission, then developed body armor and fucktons of explosives. The game doesn't let you exit back out to the ACC once you accept it, I learned. I let the game sit in the beginning of the mission for about an hour and a half while poo poo developed, then it still took me for-loving ever because even with the second-best body armor, a grenade pistol, and a vastly superior launcher I got one-shot by tanks from a mile off.

Also, directional mines straight-up don't work on tanks apparently at the second upgrade level. I set down 4 pairs of 8 mines, side by side, in a row on the main paths and would see every tank just drive on past them without exploding them. Kinda sucked that the mine's description said "anti-personell and -vehicle" and didn't work on vehicles.


In short, I had completely the wrong playstyle the game needed me to have at that point in the game, and had none of the appropriate equipment. I can't really blame the game, since my shortcomings in that area were very blatant, I just chose to ignore it because I never assumed I'd have to do different.

If that is actually the last mission you have done, you have not seen the ending yet.

pulp rag
Feb 25, 2013

AGDQ 2018 Awful Block Survivor
Naw, I saw the ending. But, I don't consider the "last mission" the last mission, since it's pretty much just story.

ninja edit: Emphasis on "mission" more than "last" is what I meant.

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

Baal posted:

I've watched five episodes of Gangsta and enjoyed what I saw of it. There's nothing gross or of questionable content that you wouldn't find in any other story about Italian gangsters except with some child soldiers mixed it.

Gate on the other hand...

oh the first five episodes were fine and there's nothing wrong with the series on a content basis

but the animation takes a sharp nose dive into shitsville in the second half and it's impossible to overlook

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
I obviously need to catch up on Gangsta then

Adnor
Jan 11, 2013

Justice for Daisy

TheRealestMatt posted:

Well, there's a variety of reasons why I dislike doing the podcast. Lots of arguments, tense moments, scheduling conflicts and stuff you wouldn't be privy to and would never affect you. I'm talking off-camera things. So I don't think you'd really understand.

I liked it at first, but it has grown increasingly tiresome to sit there for 3-4 hours, and just ramble on. Especially me who gets cut off as soon as I start speaking. So that's why I shut up for long periods of time. I find making LPs and videos 100x times more creative and fun.

It's a shame you're interrupted so much in the podcast because you're the chillest of the team, because of that it seems like you can only talk about movies everyone else isn't really interested on.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

RareAcumen posted:

Don't leave us hanging, Candidate Trump, what features that made FE great were removed?

The only legitimate complaint that Awakening universally had were bad maps. And maybe Rescue I guess, but otherwise Awakening didn't anything that wasn't stupid and backwards like having limited supports per save file.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Did Woolie ask is a health bar appeared on the stray cat Matt met? What a loving dork

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Tae posted:

The only legitimate complaint that Awakening universally had were bad maps. And maybe Rescue I guess, but otherwise Awakening didn't anything that wasn't stupid and backwards like having limited supports per save file.

Don't forget the really lovely difficulty curve.

TheRealestMatt
Jun 27, 2014

The Boss. The CEO. The J-Cup Lover.
The other thing with the podcast, is that we've done 111 episodes with no break, every week. It loving tires you out and becomes so much more of a...job. Something you gotta do. If someone is a listener, they can choose to tune in or not. We can't. There's been days where I've been so depressed or stressed out due to other personal reasons, the last thing I wanna do is talk about kickstarters or FFXIV for the 11th billionth time. But I can't reschedule it or anything, the show must go on. LPs and videos, well, we can work around that and re-shuffle it, so if someone is going through something, you can wait, and you'll get a better end result.

And like I said, I sometimes think the podcast brings out the worst in us. If someone finds that entertaining, that's fine. Glad that you do. But I find I am at my least energetic, engaging and funny. Pat is at his most annoying and least attentive at what others are saying/doing. Woolie is at his most stubborn and defensive, and Liam is at his most naive and confrontational.

Don't get me wrong, we've had bits here and there where I've laughed my loudest at something, or we've come up with a joke that's just the best. But I can think of maybe 6 of those out of 111 episodes. I would much rather the podcast be a much more infrequent and free-flowing thing. Do one where we absolutely have something to say and converse about. Not so regimented and structured. We'd pick the best topics or things to discuss that we all have something concrete to add. I don't have anything to say about some Lionhead studio head guy running off to form is own company. Not interesting and I don't really care. Doubt many of our fans do.

The podcast before last, we got that phenomenal question about Let's Playing and our channel. What LP would you get rid of, versus a one you would want to never go away. I LOVED that question, and I was so legit interested in it. And we got a lot of feedback from others saying it was the best podcast segment in a while. I would love for us to make up our OWN topics and discuss them. Rather than, "Oh, another SFV character was added, and like every other one before, she/he/it looks cool."

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Awakening had a difficulty curve?

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Baal posted:

Awakening had a difficulty curve?

Yes, a bad one. It starts at a pretty good difficulty (at least on hard) and quickly devolves into easiest poo poo ever.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
I always thought it was p easy from the start tbh

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Matt, have you ever tried skipping an episode (when it's not a missed flight/emergency/wedding plans)? Every other podcast has pod members rotating in and out occasionally. Giant Bomb has members ducking in and out of their podcast all the time, especially Rykert who somehow has a billion vacation days despite working there for a little over a year.

Andrast posted:

Yes, a bad one. It starts at a pretty good difficulty (at least on hard) and quickly devolves into easiest poo poo ever.

So basically all fire emblem games....?

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Baal posted:

I always thought it was p easy from the start tbh

I didn't say it was hard or anything but you still had to think at least a bit during the early stages.

Like I said before, Awakening really needed a difficulty setting between hard and lunatic.

Tae posted:

So basically all fire emblem games....?

Just because a flaw is present in the other games too that doesn't make it any better.

TheRealestMatt
Jun 27, 2014

The Boss. The CEO. The J-Cup Lover.
I think I might be the only person of the group who feels this way. So it can't just be me rotating out. I know Pat LOVES his soap box and never wants to get off it if he doesn't need to. Don't really know how Liam feels. Woolie certainly can't be off of it cuz he's the only one who knows how to do everything for it. So no, I don't think it's an option.

pulp rag
Feb 25, 2013

AGDQ 2018 Awful Block Survivor

TheRealestMatt posted:

I would love for us to make up our OWN topics and discuss them.

Then do it, man! Run it by Woolie or whatever the structure is. The whole "our weeks - game news - viewer mail" stuff needs to be shaken up once in a while. Yeah, gaming news is nice and all, but people can kinda get that everywhere now. You guys do you.

But, please for the love of all that is hilarious, bring back "What Has Blighted Pat?" because hearing him go insane and everyone having a laugh at it/him was genuinely amazing.

Depths
Apr 15, 2009

SENPAI

Baal posted:

Woolie on Gangsta every week: "It's still amazing!"
Woolie on Gate every week: "*goes into five minute diatribe backed up by Liam on why he still thinks it's good*"

Did gate turn into a creep sex thing or something

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Spray Woolie with water every time he brings up fighting games or anime

hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

Pork Pro
part of the appeal of pat's cult of personality is his soapbox.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

pulp rag posted:

Then do it, man! Run it by Woolie or whatever the structure is. The whole "our weeks - game news - viewer mail" stuff needs to be shaken up once in a while. Yeah, gaming news is nice and all, but people can kinda get that everywhere now.

In podcast form? Rarely.


TheRealestMatt posted:

I think I might be the only person of the group who feels this way. So it can't just be me rotating out. I know Pat LOVES his soap box and never wants to get off it if he doesn't need to. Don't really know how Liam feels. Woolie certainly can't be off of it cuz he's the only one who knows how to do everything for it. So no, I don't think it's an option.

Then how about a separate podcast Woolie records that's basically just a newscast?

I just don't want the news segment to go away, it's the only podcast that actually covers news for real :sigh:

Phantasium
Dec 27, 2012

Do you think making the podcast just a monthly thing is an achievable goal, or do you think too many people would throw a shitfit?

That way you could have better thoughts on your "weeks" (not having to mention some weekly show that went to poo poo after two episodes, as an example), not having to mention nothing game news or news that resolves itself right after you report on it, preselected questions from a month's worth of questions, etc.

Or hell, just give it a hardline time limit of 2 hours or less or something, I dunno.

I think you could easily replace the whole drat thing with more "nothing" playthroughs like Starfox, though, where you just shoot the poo poo the whole time because the game is dumb as hell.

pulp rag
Feb 25, 2013

AGDQ 2018 Awful Block Survivor
Naw, yah, I'll agree videogame news on podcast format is rare. I just kinda meant from all over the web and stuff it's easy to learn stuff by osmosis.

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!
It covers the news for real except for all those times they miss something or Woolie puts up news that is fake and insists on reporting it as if its not.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

pulp rag posted:

But, please for the love of all that is hilarious, bring back "What Has Blighted Pat?" because hearing him go insane and everyone having a laugh at it/him was genuinely amazing.

I want an entire "Patrick Boivin Is A Crazy Person" podcast.

Silentman0
Jul 11, 2005

I have a new neighbor. Heard he comes from far away

TheRealestMatt posted:

The other thing with the podcast, is that we've done 111 episodes with no break, every week. It loving tires you out and becomes so much more of a...job. Something you gotta do. If someone is a listener, they can choose to tune in or not. We can't. There's been days where I've been so depressed or stressed out due to other personal reasons, the last thing I wanna do is talk about kickstarters or FFXIV for the 11th billionth time. But I can't reschedule it or anything, the show must go on. LPs and videos, well, we can work around that and re-shuffle it, so if someone is going through something, you can wait, and you'll get a better end result.

Your podcast is probably my favorite podcast so I'd be bummed as hell if you stopped.

Also V had the worst story of a MGS but the best gameplay by a wide margin, and is my second favorite MG game after Rising.

MagusDraco
Nov 11, 2011

even speedwagon was trolled

Hijo Del Helmsley posted:

I want an entire "Patrick Boivin Is A Crazy Person" podcast.

That was Pat stares at Mercenary Kings. It was too beautiful for this world. (Pat was pretty nervous about putting it up at all and yeah...)

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Blockhouse posted:

It covers the news for real except for all those times they miss something or Woolie puts up news that is fake and insists on reporting it as if its not.

I'd rather have that than "Huh. TGS happened. Nothing happened. Let's talk about Destiny for 30 minutes, that game we really hate but the shooting's real good!"

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
I'd rather have nothing

TheRealestMatt
Jun 27, 2014

The Boss. The CEO. The J-Cup Lover.
I've brought this up a few times, some changes here and there. They get shot down everytime. So yeah. Pipe dream at this point. I really, HONESTLY shouldn't complain, it's one thing we do, ONCE a week. It's just, the fact that we can never change it, or delay it that often except for the most extraordinary circumstances, it's just...very repetitive. Rarely any video games ever get recorded on Mondays. In fact several LP parts and other stuff have continually gotten delayed and recorded at later times, because recording the Podcast takes up such a huge block of time one day of the week.

And also, I never said we'd STOP. I just think...I dunno, it could be done far better and in a more engaging way or format or....something.

The sleepycast is the high benchmark for podcasts to me, I never had so much fun than when I was on that. 1-800-I-DUNNO is still the best thing we've ever been a part of.

Anyway, I'm kinda done talking about this.

TheRealestMatt fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Sep 23, 2015

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


Silentman0 posted:

Your podcast is probably my favorite podcast so I'd be bummed as hell if you stopped.

Pretty much feel the same.

But I'd definitely throwing a "vote" in for looking into shaking up the format so that it's more enjoyable to do.

TheRealestMatt posted:

I think I might be the only person of the group who feels this way. So it can't just be me rotating out. I know Pat LOVES his soap box and never wants to get off it if he doesn't need to. Don't really know how Liam feels. Woolie certainly can't be off of it cuz he's the only one who knows how to do everything for it. So no, I don't think it's an option.

At the same time I wouldn't really see the problem of you sitting out from time to time if you already feel like you're not contributing all the time. That said, I suppose there might be some backlash because the podcast is the one place where you get all the best friends at the same time?

ChumpsForChange
Jun 2, 2011
Just make the podcast free form jazz for two hours

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Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

I could live with a biweekly Friendcast if it was a bit longer on average.

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