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slowbeef posted:Maybe this is better, but that rule was in place because you get a 1000 "would anyone be interested in a sonic generations lp?" questions with never any follow-up or anything. It was a lot of white noise. Why not just put interest checks into the request thread? Seems like they'd go hand-in-hand.
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 04:23 |
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hey slowbeef, do you ever get requests from random people asking you to RP their stuff? I have a hard time imagining anything more humorous
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 06:50 |
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Lacedaemonius posted:hey slowbeef, do you ever get requests from random people asking you to RP their stuff? I have a hard time imagining anything more humorous I recall one video where the uploaded requested he would be RP'd, I believe it was a camcorder LP where the camera kept zooming in on the TV. I do know for sure that some people would intentionally make awful videos in the hopes it would get RP'd.
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 06:57 |
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Leal posted:I recall one video where the uploaded requested he would be RP'd, I believe it was a camcorder LP where the camera kept zooming in on the TV. yeah but there's a huge difference between "lol i made this awful video i can't wait to see people rage!!!11" and "hey betus I made this video, I think it's really quite poo poo would you could watch it and laugh at me"
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 07:12 |
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Chimera-gui posted:I think a big thing to keep in mind is that the reason the sandcastle puts greater emphasis on the technical aspect than the stylistic aspect is because while the former can be nailed down fairly easily, doing so with the latter isn't as easy. There haven't been many instances I can recall of LPers whose style was annoying/bad enough to warrant being criticized. It happened a fair bit for a long while. Some folks improved, others refused to and left, and one in particular refused to and made half-a-dozen LPs that were painfully wooden before finally taking the hint that getting one post per update does not constitute a healthy thread and hosed off. There was more subjective stuff mentioned at times, and people took or left that advice as it suited them. The really salient point is that none of the above ever got rancorous or distracting. Even in the case of the one guy who was as inspiring and charismatic as mud and refused to listen when people told him he was inspiring and charismatic as mud, people told him that, he said "well, I'm not changing", and everyone shrugged and moved on. It has not really happened much in the last year or so because, quite frankly, there haven't been that many new guys coming in. Jobbo_Fett posted:Why not just put interest checks into the request thread? Seems like they'd go hand-in-hand. Perhaps if traffic and new person intake picks up again we can talk about moving it to some place that's less distracting, or even making its own thread for that sort of discussion. But the reality of the situation is that right now this thread is more stale than the ur-goon's boxers and isn't really providing a ton of value to the vast majority of people stopping in here.
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 07:54 |
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First time posting ANYTHING on here, and I wanted to be sure this LP would be well received. quote:
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 08:33 |
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Leal posted:I recall one video where the uploaded requested he would be RP'd, I believe it was a camcorder LP where the camera kept zooming in on the TV. If I recall correctly, they did DAILY VLOGS with the actual LPer, so I would assume he requested to, if nothing else, be on the video.
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 08:49 |
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Coolguye posted:It happened a fair bit for a long while. Some folks improved, others refused to and left, and one in particular refused to and made half-a-dozen LPs that were painfully wooden before finally taking the hint that getting one post per update does not constitute a healthy thread and hosed off. There was more subjective stuff mentioned at times, and people took or left that advice as it suited them. The really salient point is that none of the above ever got rancorous or distracting. Even in the case of the one guy who was as inspiring and charismatic as mud and refused to listen when people told him he was inspiring and charismatic as mud, people told him that, he said "well, I'm not changing", and everyone shrugged and moved on. I don't doubt that style critique still happens from time to time but like you said it's never gotten to the point of being distracting. To my knowledge, we haven't had to worry about Pewdiepie wannabes coming here and dumping 10 five minute videos consisting of nothing but them yelling "rape" every five seconds. I honestly think it is a good thing that the few new LPers we have gotten have been stylistically passable enough that we've only had to talk about the technical side.
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 15:01 |
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frozentreasure posted:If I recall correctly, they did DAILY VLOGS with the actual LPer, so I would assume he requested to, if nothing else, be on the video. No, that was slowbeef, Diabeetus and Chip. DAILY VLOGS dude was cool about being RP'd though.
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 15:04 |
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Sethorven posted:First time posting ANYTHING on here, and I wanted to be sure this LP would be well received. Rephrase the question: why would we want to watch videos with a facecam over videos without it?
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 15:29 |
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Sethorven posted:as I feel it gives an extra layer of interactivity between the player and the audience Sethorven posted:that makes the experience more personal Sethorven posted:it's hard to consistently be entertaining by being a disembodied voice
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 15:48 |
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Chimera-gui posted:I honestly think it is a good thing that the few new LPers we have gotten have been stylistically passable enough that we've only had to talk about the technical side. On that note: dasmause posted:But you're posting on a forum? It's about as interactive as it gets The larger issue with face cams on your standard Youtube LP is that face cams are mostly useful when someone can also immediately feed input back into what they're seeing. Your facial expressions are helpful to communicate what you're feeling in the moment, but that isn't valuable if the user can't respond to it in the next moment. What I'm saying is that facecams are a good streamer trick, not a LP trick. Generally speaking. In my experience. Comments and input on an LP are going to be more generalized for what's happened, rather than individual moments. It's the nature of the beast. People are going to take in 20 minutes of media before they respond, whereas in streaming they respond instantly. So unless you can make a generalized phenomenon out of your face, it is likely going to be overall distracting rather than enriching. It's certainly possible to make a phenomenon out of your face. A couple of LPers have done it well, and there's precedent in more important entertainment circles - Jim Carrey's a good example, as much as it's trendy to hate him. But it's quite difficult to do so and most people do it poorly. So that's really the question at hand: Are you going to have a worthwhile expression every few minutes? Or is it going to be 20 minutes of splitting your attention between the game and a generally stony face for one good moment? Coolguye fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Sep 24, 2015 |
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If the facecam is adding extra time to making the videos then cut it out cause it's not adding anything interesting to the video. Otherwise the video & commentary is fine.
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 16:30 |
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Sethorven posted:I never liked the idea of using a face cam myself, for a while at least, until I experimented with it and found it to be more enjoyable to both record and re-watch then my non-faced recordings. If you use a face cam, you better be juggling fire. If not, what is the point of doing the LP? It's not like Half-Life will give you something to work with to be funny visually. I'm mean you blocked the opening title. Why should I care about you over Half-Life? A relationship needs to be built first to see if an audience would want face cam or not. Until then, you have to give reason to want to see you, but remember it's a Let's Play. In this case, Half-Life is the start, that's what I would want to see in an LP. Treat the game as a star and not yourself, and you have a successful LP if you are good. Now on the other hand if you just want to be funny and make videos over video game footage, I hate to break it to you, but you're not really thinking outside of the box, and your humor is pretty childish. Some of the most successful Youtubers are very childish, so I understand the inspiration, but it's more than just relating to these young viewers by being childish. They have to think you're cool. They want to be as cool as these big Youtubers, so you have to be more than just operating on their mental frequencies to keep their attention.
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 17:38 |
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Coolguye posted:This'd be fine too. We really just need some place to discuss it. I still feel the Sandcastle makes more sense because the question you should be asking is not "What about a Sonic Generations LP", it's "What about a Sonic Generations LP where I do x and y, and show off a by doing b?" The former is low content and provides no conversation fodder. The latter gives something to talk about. If there isn't enough detail or the mission statement is too generic, the answer is simple: "sounds solid enough, why don't you do a couple test videos of x and a so we can take a closer look at it?" The request thread doesn't owe itself to that sort of discussion much, unfortunately. I'm not understanding the problem with the Sandcastle as is. An interest check by definition is a low-content post such as "What about a Sonic Generations LP" which you say you're not talking about. As long as you give enough information about the "style" you're thinking about so people can provide feedback I think it's ok (at least I've seen it done many times). As for Putty's earlier concern I'm sure every passable LP gets some (>20 for instance) viewers, so it's not going to help to have an interest check somewhere followed by 20 "yes"s. whitehelm fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Sep 24, 2015 |
# ? Sep 24, 2015 18:13 |
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If you want to make an interest check in TYOOL 2015, it should probably be like a few sentences worth of just a summary of what you want to do. Enough so that it shows you didn't think up the idea in 5 minutes. As for failing to follow up on it, that really can't be helped cause sometimes people find they got other stuff to do in life. Here's my legit example: "I want to Let's Play Super Mario Maker where I play/make goon levels along with any other cool public levels I find. Vids will be short and edited with live or post commentary on both the making and playing portion of multiple levels per vid. Challenges may be made for thread participation where goons contest to make the best level of the week or beat an especially hard level. Special guest star John Cena will make an appearance because he loves Mario and anime."
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 18:13 |
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Super Mario Maker would work for a lot of LP styles due to the insane amount of levels available and the robust tool set in making levels. It'd be great to have LPs show off how to make levels with good level design, for instance. Or even a gimmick of showing off the most terrible, horrible levels you can find. But playing and showing off good levels would definitely be great, especially for people like me who are too busy making levels or playing random stuff to really sift through the good ones. And challenges would make for great thread participation, so I'd definitely say go for it.
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 18:20 |
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Putty posted:"I want to Let's Play Super Mario Maker where I play/make goon levels along with any other cool public levels I find. Vids will be short and edited with live or post commentary on both the making and playing portion of multiple levels per vid. Challenges may be made for thread participation where goons contest to make the best level of the week or beat an especially hard level. Special guest star John Cena will make an appearance because he loves Mario and anime." Why do you even have to ask, this sounds amazing. Make it happen, posthaste.
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 18:30 |
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whitehelm posted:As for Putty's earlier concern I'm sure every passable LP gets some (>20 for instance) viewers, so it's not going to help to have an interest check somewhere followed by 20 "yes"s. Well first this isn't true, there've been a good half dozen LPs that were technically fine that died halfway through from total apathy in the last 6-8 months, and second 20 viewers is a pitiable turnout. If you actually mean 20 people posting in the thread then that'd be different but again, that's demonstrably untrue if you go looking at the latter pages of the forum. Anyway regarding this already happening, that's news to me but I'll admit I don't come in here barely at all anymore. Can someone else confirm that it's already a thing?
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# ? Sep 24, 2015 19:39 |
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Coolguye posted:Well first this isn't true, there've been a good half dozen LPs that were technically fine that died halfway through from total apathy in the last 6-8 months, and second 20 viewers is a pitiable turnout. If you actually mean 20 people posting in the thread then that'd be different but again, that's demonstrably untrue if you go looking at the latter pages of the forum. I think you missed my point. Having a bunch of people reply to an interest check only tells you that those people are going to watch the LP (along with an unknown amount of other people that don't follow sticky threads and such). Since that number of replies is going to be a small amount like 20 (probably less), all it tells you is that you're going to have at least 20 viewers when the LP starts. Every LP is going to have at least that. Or maybe I should've said "at least 20" instead of ">20" which I just realized might not have been very clear.
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# ? Sep 25, 2015 00:01 |
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Oh yeah, that makes sense. I honestly wouldn't even count on a 'yes' to translate into a view really, because the majority of people who troll this thread are guys who are frequently absorbed in their own LPs. My actual consumption of LPs has cratered ever since I started making the things, since my reading and viewing time became creating time.
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# ? Sep 25, 2015 01:27 |
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Maybe the rule could be differently worded instead of outright removed, then. Perhaps it could be changed to something similar to "Only do an interest check if you're unsure if it's something people would want to see". That way people who do oddball games or LPs in different ways could still find out if people are willing to watch, but you won't have a dozen "Hey does anyone want to see an LP of Metal Gear Solid V done by me John LPer" posts on every page. edit: Of course, realistically it wouldn't be that bad. Even if there is an interest check post with a bunch of "Sure I'd watch that" replies, there's room for 40-ish posts on a page, and the idea that a forum thread can be clogged is very silly to me. Nobody likes having to scroll past a bunch of simple replies to get to the test posts or have their test post wrapped between a sandwich of people responding to somebody else, but with the way the forums now make posts you are quoted in be gold that really isn't a problem anymore. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Sep 25, 2015 |
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What about interest checks on behalf of other LPers? Like, proxy interest checks? "Totally asinine," you might say, "a waste of time." Here me out though. For example, I think CJacobs should really do a Mad Max LP. So I would ask, like, "hey team, who wants to see my pal CJacobs do an informative VLP of Mad Max?" and if a bunch of people are into it, we can peer pressure CJacobs into doing it. Everyone wins!
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# ? Sep 25, 2015 02:51 |
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Blind Sally posted:What about interest checks on behalf of other LPers? Like, proxy interest checks? Really I wouldn't mind if people have fleshed out ideas that they want to get some feedback or input on, but yeah, just saying the name of a game and if people want to see it doesn't really seem like much to go off of.
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# ? Sep 25, 2015 03:12 |
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Blind Sally posted:What about interest checks on behalf of other LPers? Like, proxy interest checks? Isn't this how we got Geop to eat a blooming onion? By which I mean I agree with this system 100%
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# ? Sep 25, 2015 03:14 |
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Hey team who wants to see Putty do the Cold Stone Challenge
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# ? Sep 25, 2015 06:49 |
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The White Dragon posted:Hey team who wants to see Putty do the Cold Stone Challenge I do.
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# ? Sep 25, 2015 07:01 |
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i'd prefer the Stone Cold Challenge instead
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# ? Sep 25, 2015 14:14 |
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dotchan posted:Re: Unit Name Changing: What kind of editing would this involve? Something about this kept nagging at me, and I finally remembered that there is a much easier way to do this. FFTOrgASM can apply an ASM patch to a FFT ISO that will allow the Soldier Office to rename any unit. http://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=24880
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# ? Sep 25, 2015 15:13 |
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Hello, Mr. and Mrs. Sandcastle. I'm thinking of playing a 1936 book that's been out of print for three decades. Here's the OP. quote:Gaming like it's 1936. Let's Solve Murder off Miami. Here's the test post for the first update http://lpix.org/sslptest/index.php?id=24879 Is it readable?
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# ? Sep 25, 2015 17:36 |
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The technical side looks fine to me and I'm kinda looking forward to this too. The update ends pretty abruptly though. Assuming that's an average update length, can you estimate how many updates it'd take to finish the book? I'm just curious. e: The images are pretty much large enough, but what you could do is make them link to their full-sized versions. tiistai fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Sep 25, 2015 |
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tiistai posted:e: The images are pretty much large enough, but what you could do is make them link to their full-sized versions. This update covered 15 text pages, so it'll probably take 9 updates to get to page 131, then the solution chapter starts. Edit: Oh hey, I found a photo of the 1936 curtain page. Looks like they did use real blood back then. SelenicMartian fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Sep 25, 2015 |
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SelenicMartian posted:3MB jpegs? Why not, it's not like people are forced to download them if they're behind links and the current images are more or less good enough. It doesn't exactly take long to download 3MB anyway. Well, you could still scale them down, I doubt anyone needs higher than 1-2k res jpegs.
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# ? Sep 25, 2015 20:57 |
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SelenicMartian posted:Edit: Oh hey, I found a photo of the 1936 curtain page. Looks like they did use real blood back then. Not human blood I hope. Though pretty unsanitary either way. Anyways, test post looks good to me. Looks really drat interesting.
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# ? Sep 25, 2015 21:24 |
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CJacobs posted:Maybe the rule could be differently worded instead of outright removed, then. Perhaps it could be changed to something similar to "Only do an interest check if you're unsure if it's something people would want to see". That way people who do oddball games or LPs in different ways could still find out if people are willing to watch, but you won't have a dozen "Hey does anyone want to see an LP of Metal Gear Solid V done by me John LPer" posts on every page. I think this is the correct approach since an interest check should by necessity have enough content to allow discussion and critique. It would also allow those who have ideas but might not have the equipment for it yet to get their idea reviewed so that the idea of how the LP would work are already fleshed out by the time a sample can be posted. For example: Say I wanted to make video LP of Threads of Fate with possible guest commentators, I could come here and explain why I would want to do the LP in this format. Chimera-gui fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Sep 26, 2015 |
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The problem is that you guys are assuming best case scenario. Any good rule has to be discrete and enforceable, whereas "don't do interest checks unless you're really cool and want to do a wacky LP" has loopholes big enough to fit a tanker through. Besides, we don't want to be encouraging gimmickry for its own sake, do we?
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# ? Sep 26, 2015 03:46 |
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"Don't do an interest check without providing some content" might be OK.
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# ? Sep 26, 2015 03:50 |
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ultrafilter posted:"Don't do an interest check without providing some content" might be OK. So basically, a test post
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# ? Sep 26, 2015 09:00 |
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Don't do an interest check for a game ("Would anyone want to see an LP of Sonic '06?") but for a concrete Let's Play idea ("What would you think about an LP of Sonic '06 where I speedrun it blindfolded while a guest commentates awkwardly?") maybe
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# ? Sep 26, 2015 14:13 |
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I was thinking about doing an Iron Man style Deus Ex: Human Revolution Let's Play. I see that this game was let's-played twice already, but Iron Man mode is something entirely new. This is an example video of what it would look like (note - this is not the beginning of the game, but Montreal, so it is riddled with spoilers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGfNWW0aLMA Some disclaimer: the video above was actually made up from some random save I had from an earlier playthrough. During the real thing, it will be a bit different. I hope that was good enough for a test, though. I have some concerns:
And of course there remains the main question: is it even a good idea? Ninja edit: the rules thread suggests I don't embed the videos, but they seem to automatically embed themselves as I paste in the URL. Is there an easy way to avoid this?
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