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quote:An earlier story said that Haaj dirt track mangement had installed an overhead misting system to keep the pilgrims cool. They didn´t expect to cause a panic giving a huge mob their first shower. I've lived in a number of Muslim nations, most of them poo poo-poor, and people are generally quite clean. Islam has mandates on cleanliness built into the religion, including regular washing and shaving public and armpit hair. Indonesia is the most populous Muslim-majority nation and those guys shower like three times daily. When I think of "people whose smell I don't want to be stuck with on a long bus ride", people from Muslim nations are nowhere near the top of the list.
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Lobster on menu again for Obama’s 2nd China state dinnerquote:To: driftdiver quote:To: Old Yeller
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Sep 24, 2015 21:48
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quote:Muslims can eat ground beef, vegetables, and cheese in a corn tortilla? quote:Taqueria.
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Sep 24, 2015 21:52
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:I've lived in a number of Muslim nations, most of them poo poo-poor, and people are generally quite clean. Islam has mandates on cleanliness built into the religion, including regular washing and shaving public and armpit hair. Indonesia is the most populous Muslim-majority nation and those guys shower like three times daily. When I think of "people whose smell I don't want to be stuck with on a long bus ride", people from Muslim nations are nowhere near the top of the list. This reminds me of one of my funnier moments in Iraq. I was meeting with this Iraqi Army officer and after the meeting was over I briefed our officer on what was said, and went downstairs to use the bathroom. The Iraqi Army officer I had just met with was bathing himself with water bottles, likely to be clean before the evening prayers. The strange part was that he was standing in the shower, and the water worked. He also waved awkwardly at me. He probably just didn't know the water worked, but I had no translator with me to tell him.
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Sep 24, 2015 22:15
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Keeshhound posted:I knew the Black Friday comparison was coming. That said, Black Friday sees one or two people die at different locations each year. The Hajj is always at the same city. You'd hope that might give the authorities an advantage, at least as far as tracking where people are most likely to be injured or killed and allow them to make necessary adjustments. Seems like there is a problem of scaling here. The Prophet never imagined that there would be more than a billion Muslims in the world, most of them wanting to go on Hajj someday. There weren't even a billion *people* in the world in his day. This is just going to get less and less workable as world population increases and more prosperity means more people can afford global travel. I have heard that the most dangerous bottleneck is the symbolic stoning of the pillars, because its not a very large location. I wonder how blasphemous it would be to add more pillars...
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Sep 24, 2015 22:25
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If memory serves, you are allowed to commission another Muslim to attend the Hajj if you are unable due to poverty or infirmity. Most faithful still try their damndest to attend in person, but it might be necessary to emphasize that practice. Edit: They actually changed the pillars to a wall in 2004, so that people wouldn't miss and hit people on the other side. Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Sep 25, 2015 |
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Sep 24, 2015 22:29
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kik2dagroin posted:Welp the Papal address to Congress has concluded and freep is predictably losing their poo poo The Catholic Church, one of the most powerful organizations in the entire world, whose 1.2 billion members make up more than 17% of the entire human race, is 'dying'. Sometimes I wonder if the reason Freep is so out-there crazy is because we've discovered some sort of digital portal to an alternate universe and the people posting on this site literally live in another world.
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Sep 25, 2015 00:11
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BarbarianElephant posted:I have heard that the most dangerous bottleneck is the symbolic stoning of the pillars, because its not a very large location. I wonder how blasphemous it would be to add more pillars... A "go twice in the low season" deal might be more acceptable. 
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Sep 25, 2015 00:25
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MeLKoR posted:A "go twice in the low season" deal might be more acceptable. If only there is a time to Hajj besides the five days during the Islamic month of Zulhijah. There's a lesser version of the pilgrimage called the Umrah that you can do anytime, but no amount of Umrah equals a Hajj in Good Deed Points. Do Christians/Jews have similar holy days or rites that happen only on a specified Location at specified times? I really wonder how you can fix the overcrowding in the Hajj process. Expanding the Masjidil Haram? 'Timetabling' the scheduled activities? Or just nuke Mecca, as Freep recommends?
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Sep 25, 2015 04:12
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toanoradian posted:Do Christians/Jews have similar holy days or rites that happen only on a specified Location at specified times? Nope, at least with Christians. Nothing that's as major, possibly due to Christianity's first few hundred years being on the lam. There's pilgrimages to be made of course, but none of them are significant to being a member of the religion the same way (AFAIK) the Hajj is to Islam. A person can be born, live, and die a good Christian by every commandment of Christ without leaving a ten-mile radius in New Hampshire.
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Sep 25, 2015 04:21
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There's confessions I guess if we're just going by good points. Then for the American right wing Christian you must bitch about abortions on social media once a week. Antigay or anti-islam counts as 1/2 dead fetus.
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Sep 25, 2015 04:28
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I'm amazed at how Taqiyya or however it's spelled has just become its own self-sustaining meme with little to no bearing on any real world theology at this point. It's a get out of jail free card for when you don't have any proof for disliking someone, literally anyone, whether or not they identify as Muslim because they can just be a deep cover agent.
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Sep 25, 2015 04:48
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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toanoradian posted:Do Christians/Jews have similar holy days or rites that happen only on a specified Location at specified times? Christians and Jews make pilgrimages, but they're done for more personal spiritual reasons and not considered a holy commandment. Jerusalem gets pretty busy around Easter, for example, but nothing near the Hajj.
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Sep 25, 2015 05:35
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DeusExMachinima posted:I'm amazed at how Taqiyya or however it's spelled has just become its own self-sustaining meme with little to no bearing on any real world theology at this point. It's a get out of jail free card for when you don't have any proof for disliking someone, literally anyone, whether or not they identify as Muslim because they can just be a deep cover agent. Freepers have no true understanding of the tenets of any religion, let alone Islam. You are 100% correct that taqiyya has become its own right wing meme that has no basis in anything. The right wing version of taqiyya is an imaginary concept where a muslim can pretend to be non-muslim for no reason other than it benefits them to do so. While this is a bit close to what some Shia twelvers believe, it is not even close to what the Sunni practice. For Sunnis, taqiyya is a concept only to be used if you are in mortal danger, and really only if there is some greater reason for your life to be spared.
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Sep 25, 2015 06:06
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toanoradian posted:Do Christians/Jews have similar holy days or rites that happen only on a specified Location at specified times? It's also used as an MMA ring on occasion http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/04/christian-monks-square-off-at-one-of-jerusalem-s-holiest-sites.html
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Sep 25, 2015 11:20
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I heard that the only reason many laws in the Old Testament aren't followed is because we don't have the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, and "once" the Third Temple is built a whole bunch of crazy stuff like sacrifices (e: not human) and such will come back to practice.
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Sep 25, 2015 11:40
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All of this stuff about taqiyya and proof that Obama is not a Muslim actually being proof that he is a Muslim reminds me very strongly of the "stealth Jews" concept from this conspiracy-theory Flash Tub thing from forever ago
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Sep 25, 2015 13:39
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loquacius posted:All of this stuff about taqiyya and proof that Obama is not a Muslim actually being proof that he is a Muslim reminds me very strongly of the "stealth Jews" concept from this conspiracy-theory Flash Tub thing from forever ago This crypto-jews/muslims poo poo is literally as old as the Inquisition. e: actually scratch that, forced conversions predate the Inquisition. We're talking early 14th century at most. MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Sep 25, 2015 |
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Sep 25, 2015 14:15
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MeLKoR posted:This crypto-jews/muslims poo poo is literally as old as the Inquisition. Maybe, but that was less "<x authority figure> is really <sneaky dastardly outgroup> in disguise as part of a sneaky dastardly plan  " and more "Jews/Muslims are pretending to be Christians so they don't get literally tortured to death"
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Sep 25, 2015 14:37
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loquacius posted:Maybe, but that was less "<x authority figure> is really <sneaky dastardly outgroup> in disguise as part of a sneaky dastardly plan In the Iberian peninsula many jews and muslims converted to christianity after the Reconquista and many of them held positions equivalent to ministers, even prime ministers. That only made them more suspect of being crypto-jews, it was by popular demand that the Inquisition got started to root out these secret jews that are loving up good christian folk. The nobility and high clergy were actually mostly OK with the converts and even non-converts because they recognized their value. To the common people they were competition at best or well poisoners at worst. MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Sep 25, 2015 |
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Sep 25, 2015 14:41
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I guess the distinction I'm drawing is between trying to determine whether an actual factual conversion was sincere and asserting that someone is secretly a member of an outgroup for no reason apart from that it fits your persecution complex, but we don't actually disagree on any particular point so this is a dumb argument 
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Sep 25, 2015 14:49
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boehner is resigning/retiring. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3341025/posts quote:To: ilovesarah2012 quote:To: ilovesarah2012 quote:To: ilovesarah2012 quote:To: Froggie
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Sep 25, 2015 14:54
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There's at least one very good reason I can think of that Senator Ted Cruz cannot be Speaker of the House
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Sep 25, 2015 14:56
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loquacius posted:I guess the distinction I'm drawing is between trying to determine whether an actual factual conversion was sincere and asserting that someone is secretly a member of an outgroup for no reason apart from that it fits your persecution complex, but we don't actually disagree on any particular point so this is a dumb argument This kind of thing is only possible because you have a man from a minority race that was raised several years in a country with a different religion coming back home to become the ruler, this isn't a sequence of events that could have happened since maybe the Roman Empire. The closest I can think of regarding white people in the previous couple of centuries would be accusations of being a mason, maybe.
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MeLKoR posted:This kind of thing is only possible because you have a man from a minority race that was raised several years in a country with a different religion coming back home to become the ruler, this isn't a sequence of events that could have happened since maybe the Roman Empire. The closest I can think of regarding white people in the previous couple of centuries would be accusations of being a mason, maybe.
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Sep 25, 2015 15:01
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loquacius posted:There's at least one very good reason I can think of that Senator Ted Cruz cannot be Speaker of the House Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that it is not a requirement that the Speaker of the House be a Member, not that it's ever happened.
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Sep 25, 2015 15:27
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Plinkey posted:boehner is resigning/retiring. quoting myself, but I am loving amazed how many freepers don't understand the difference between the house and senate. There were a bunch of posts saying 'put Cruz in!' then 'McConnell!' Jesus Christ you idiots.
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Sep 25, 2015 15:31
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The_Raven posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that it is not a requirement that the Speaker of the House be a Member, not that it's ever happened. This is correct. I or, more likely, Joementum could legally be elected Speaker of the House tomorrow.
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Sep 25, 2015 15:37
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quote:No thanks...NO Gowdy....he’s as establishment as Boehner. (To be fair, this is one person, it's possible the rest are still into him.)
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Sep 25, 2015 15:41
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MeLKoR posted:This kind of thing is only possible because you have a man from a minority race that was raised several years in a country with a different religion coming back home to become the ruler, this isn't a sequence of events that could have happened since maybe the Roman Empire. The closest I can think of regarding white people in the previous couple of centuries would be accusations of being a mason, maybe. e: also that he would destroy his nice Christian wife with his huge pagan penis Morholt fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Sep 25, 2015 |
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Sep 25, 2015 15:43
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If the US has learned anything about ousting leaders in positions of power we haven't it's that their absence creates a power vacuum into which something more and worse will come along to fill it. FReep logic in action. 
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Sep 25, 2015 15:54
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Russia has filed a lawsuit against Apple for gay emoticonsquote:I just noticed these "gay" emoticons on my iPhone. This may have been discussed here before and I may have missed it. quote:To: ForYourChildren
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Sep 25, 2015 18:28
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LGBT Discrimination - Does it really exist? Why I've never said a hateful thing about an LGBT in my life! the OP posted:Self | 9/25/2015 | Self quote:To: EQAndyBuzz quote:To: EQAndyBuzz quote:To: EQAndyBuzz
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quote:The other night, my daughter, who happens to be gay brought this to my attention. So I asked her. Who is discriminating against them? Her answer? Conservatives. So I asked her, "I am a Conservative. Have you heard me or any of my friends over the years express a hatred towards LGBT's? As a matter of fact, have you ever heard me or my friends talking about the gay community in general, aside from the fruitcakes in San Francisco who dress like lunatics and commit PDA in front of children?" No answer.  So in two months when Thanksgiving rolls around, everyone keep an eye out for updates EQAndyBuzz's family situation. Keep in mind, even Dick Cheney tried to be supportive when his daughter came out as a lesbian.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:38
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No answer because there isn't a way to answer that without calling you a loving gently caress gently caress fucker.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:45
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DemeaninDemon posted:No answer because there isn't a way to answer that without calling you a loving gently caress gently caress fucker. She probably didn't even give her daughter a chance to answer and just kept talking until her daughter walked away
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Sep 25, 2015 19:51
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I'm surprised that the force of her daughter's eyerolling didn't touch off the Yellowstone Supervolcano. If it were me I'd have thrown enough shade to block out the Sun for a week.
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Sep 25, 2015 20:07
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Yeah I love when people do the equivalent of "YOU CALLIN' ME A LIAR?!?" then act like they won when the only way to answer that is to either fall into the trap of making the argument a personal insult or to be the bigger person and back down. The daughter was certainly thinking "Uh yeah duh you have you just don't have a clue" but didn't want to insult her dad to his face.
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Sep 25, 2015 20:11
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Everything you will ever know about an employee comes solely from the EEOC form Also lol, LGBT failing in society. How would he explain the whole gay marriage ruling and massive public turnaround recently?
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Epic High Five posted:Also lol, LGBT failing in society. How would he explain the whole gay marriage ruling and massive public turnaround recently? Your facts are lies as interpreted by my brain. Fortunately, and speaking from experience where my ultraconservative grandparents are concerned, that mentality does breed a certain blindness to blandly agreeing with them so they'll shut up and go away.
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