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Glenn_Beckett posted:I just watched remembrance for the first time and it is good and not bad. Remembrance is just as good today as it was when I first read it 20ish years ago, and it makes more sense too! (Remembrance probably shouldn't be the first Doctor Who novel you read, having previously only watched Tom Baker and Peter Davison on PBS) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYR5lINNrsE
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Glenn_Beckett posted:Except where two sects of Daleks a foot away from one another fire at each other for like thirty minutes and don't hit poo poo. They were practicing for their big championship match against the Imperial stormtroopers that weekend.
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Sep 25, 2015 10:10
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Wheat Loaf posted:They were practicing for their big championship match against the Imperial stormtroopers that weekend. You know, has anyone ever considered the Stormtroopers were lousy shots on purpose? They wanted the Millennium Falcon to get away so they could discover the location of the hidden Rebel base! It was all for show!
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Sep 25, 2015 12:27
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CobiWann posted:You know, has anyone ever considered the Stormtroopers were lousy shots on purpose? They wanted the Millennium Falcon to get away so they could discover the location of the hidden Rebel base! It was all for show! This is confirmed both on and off screen. You just don't see them shoot at anyone but the hero so they're always inept. Except Hoth, but that doesn't count because 
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Sep 25, 2015 13:06
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With the exception of the the Battles of Yavin (in which they were nearly totally wiped out) and Endor (ugh), the Rebels lose every conflict with the Empire and sustain massive casualties. The protags just have plot armor, or a very forgiving GM.
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Sep 25, 2015 13:29
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After The War posted:With the exception of the the Battles of Yavin (in which they were nearly totally wiped out) and Endor (ugh), the Rebels lose every conflict with the Empire and sustain massive casualties. The protags just have plot armor, or a very forgiving GM. Actually their GM's just as baffled as to how they get away with their poo poo.
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Sep 25, 2015 14:37
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computer parts posted:This is confirmed both on and off screen. You just don't see them shoot at anyone but the hero so they're always inept. They also shoot at all those Rebels at the beginning of A New Hope. And they wreck the Rebel's poo poo.
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Sep 25, 2015 15:00
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I'm pretty sure, at least, in The Empire Strikes Back almost all of the lovely shooting from the Stormtroopers is literally on purpose. They don't want to kill any of the heroes, they want to corral them, as per Vader's orders. After that is, you know, less defensible.
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Sep 25, 2015 15:46
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After watching the prologue on Karn, I wonder why the Doctor stopped there and why he's raising a death flag on himself. Despite the fact that there's no mention of Capaldi going away... ...Is this just a cheap drama ploy?
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Sep 25, 2015 15:58
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Yes.
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Sep 25, 2015 16:04
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Burkion posted:I'm pretty sure, at least, in The Empire Strikes Back almost all of the lovely shooting from the Stormtroopers is literally on purpose. They don't want to kill any of the heroes, they want to corral them, as per Vader's orders. They never know if Vader wants those guys alive or not, so best to play it safe and shoot near them  .
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Sep 25, 2015 17:22
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Grouchio posted:After watching the prologue on Karn, I wonder why the Doctor stopped there and why he's raising a death flag on himself. Moffat has pretty much forgotten how to create drama any other way. 'The Doctor is going to die this time. For real. No really. For real. Not like the TARDIS blowing up, not like Lake Silencio, not like having his timeline wiped, not like Trenzalore. For real. Just kidding.'
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Sep 25, 2015 18:11
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Still seems better to me than when Rose "died".
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Sep 25, 2015 18:18
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After The War posted:While Nick Briggs is obviously never going to be considered for television anyway, I don't think he'd want the job. He's never had to deal nationwide ratings, a food chain of producers and executives, and so on (not to mention all the additional hassles that result from combining the head writer and producer roles, such as shooting budgets, set requirements, rubber spiders, etc.) I love to call him "the luckiest fan of all time" because, unlike other lifers-in-charge (RTD, GMS and JNT), he's completely build his own little niche with fewer people to please. He doesn't need to worry about future career in television, let alone burnout. You have to know by now that, given the opportunity to write interesting, strange, and inventive fiction Nick Briggs would choose instead to remake a classic series Dalek serial, right down to the pacing and dialogue. One of the lovely 80s ones too.
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Sep 25, 2015 18:26
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Yeah.  Fandom spoils everything.
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Sep 25, 2015 18:28
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Diabolik900 posted:Still seems better to me than when Rose "died". When she came back, was that Rose from the dead?
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Sep 25, 2015 18:38
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Diabolik900 posted:Still seems better to me than when Rose "died". At least she only died once. Like the Ten Pity Party before his end, that was fine because he was a vain fucker and it was all about how he didn't want to go. 11 has been for real going to die like twice now, and I really hope they aren't shaping up the same plot thread for 12
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Sep 25, 2015 18:46
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Burkion posted:At least she only died once. Three times. Lake Silenco, Trenzalore in the future and Trenzalore in the past.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:05
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PriorMarcus posted:Three times. Lake Silenco, Trenzalore in the future and Trenzalore in the past. I forgot about that. God drat 11 stop dying for real.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:08
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Wait, why two trenzalores?
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Sep 25, 2015 19:16
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MikeJF posted:Wait, why two trenzalores? The other one was the place where he died for real: the town Christmas on planet Trenzalore. edit: Doctor Who is very confusing. And More fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Sep 25, 2015 |
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Sep 25, 2015 19:21
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Eleven's entire storyline was, broadly, about the Doctor dealing with both his immortal legend and his personal mortality, in much the same way that Twelve's appears to be about the Doctor's identity and character. I don't mind this, in fact, I like it quite a lot, but I see how it could be tedious for some. . Personally, I'm not feeling the actual threat to the Doctor this time, at least not in a physical sense. The Doctor's not afraid of Davros killing him, he's afraid/ashamed of his own actions on early Skaro, whatever they may have been, and that, I think, has implications entirely different from Oh No The Doctor Might Die For Realsies This Time. I have a feeling that the Doctor's Last Will And Testament may well have just been a ruse to get Missy's attention. Or Missy was lying through her teeth about what was just an ordinary Gallifreyan telegram just to gently caress with Clara. Mostly I'm tired of Moffat's reach exceeding his grasp (which was another consistent thing that happened last year) and would like him to hire a competent producer so he can focus on his writing.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:24
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And More posted:The other one was the place where he died for real. The town Christmas on planet Trenzalore. Yeah, I know about that one. What was the other?
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Sep 25, 2015 19:26
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MikeJF posted:Yeah, I know about that one. What was the other? Trenzalore with the big honkin' Tardis on it.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:27
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And More posted:Trenzalore with the big honkin' Tardis on it. That was the Christmas battleground, afterwards. You're confusing one event. The big honking TARDIS was commemorating his death in Time of the Doctor, had the Time Lords not intervened.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:30
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The way I see it: Trenzalore was destined to be the site of the Doctor's final death. It's a planet that the Doctor visits twice. In The Name of the Doctor, the Doctor visits his own grave before he has actually died, which, while a bad idea, is not itself a sign that he was meant to die then and there. The Great Intelligence took advantage of the Doctor crossing his own timestream or some drat thing in order to try to unmake the Doctor's history. The events that were to lead up to the Doctor's actual death happened in The Time Of The Doctor, and would have killed him had Clara not intervened with the absentee Time Lords on his behalf. Somehow this paradox hasn't actually shattered the universe.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:32
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Out of curiosity, does anyone know how involved is Moffat with the day to day production of the show? Everyone's all death to having a show runner, but that's a really loose term with no formal definition of duties. For instance, Ron Moore was the show runner for BSG but spent very little time in Vancouver on set.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:33
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howe_sam posted:For instance, Ron Moore was the show runner for BSG but spent very little time in Vancouver on set. What about David Eick, the other executive producer? Basically, what we want is the American model with two producers, one who heads writing and creative direction, and one who stays on top of the practical issues. It seems much better than the British one-man-does-everything.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:42
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MikeJF posted:That was the Christmas battleground, afterwards. You're confusing one event. The big honking TARDIS was commemorating his death in Time of the Doctor, had the Time Lords not intervened.  No, I meant this: docbeard posted:Trenzalore was destined to be the site of the Doctor's final death. It's a planet that the Doctor visits twice. I thought you were replying to this post: PriorMarcus posted:Three times. Lake Silenco, Trenzalore in the future and Trenzalore in the past.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:46
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I was, but I meant the doctor hasn't been destined to die a final death on Trenzalore twice. Just the once, in Christmas. Why did he list it twice?
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Sep 25, 2015 19:49
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docbeard posted:Eleven's entire storyline was, broadly, about the Doctor dealing with both his immortal legend and his personal mortality, in much the same way that Twelve's appears to be about the Doctor's identity and character. I don't mind this, in fact, I like it quite a lot, but I see how it could be tedious for some. .
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Sep 25, 2015 19:51
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MikeJF posted:What about David Eick, the other executive producer?
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Sep 25, 2015 19:58
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MikeJF posted:I was, but I meant the doctor hasn't been destined to die a final death on Trenzalore twice. Just the once, in Christmas. Why did he list it twice? Name of the Doctor is a very deliberate fake out. The episode is all about visiting Trenzalore, and killing the Doctor. Usually, everybody but the Doctor is in serious danger, but here it's all directed towards him. Of course, he doesn't die in this episode, you're just supposed to think that he might. It's also technically the finale of series 7. Time of the Doctor is just a Christmas special.
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Sep 25, 2015 20:00
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howe_sam posted:Sure, Eick was in Vancouver, but he also wasn't the show runner, "just" an EP. Really I guess that's my question, Moffat has never been the sole EP of the show, so wtf does Brian Minchin do? I'm pretty sure you want to get a copy of The Writer's Tale, RTD's book about being in charge of Doctor Who, which sheds quite a bit of light on the division of responsibilities between him and Julie Gardner. Or, y'know, just watch this video for the quick version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giaMRyn47Xg
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Sep 25, 2015 20:22
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I thought that the Time Lords helping out the Doctor and giving him a new series of regenerations was explicitly undoing his death at Trenzalore. It's typical Time Lord mentality (gently caress Time, we're the goddamned Time Lords and if we wanna titty-twist Time till it squeals, we're gonna do it) directed in a non-dickish way for once (no, the Doctor didn't die. Shut the gently caress up, everyone.)
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Sep 25, 2015 20:33
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MisterBibs posted:I thought that the Time Lords helping out the Doctor and giving him a new series of regenerations was explicitly undoing his death at Trenzalore. That's exactly what it is. Originally the Doctor was supposed to just grow old and eventually die on Trenzalore, no regenerations left and no way out without abandoning the town to destruction. He dies, the TARDIS is left as a monument to him, and over thousands of years it grows huge due to the dimensional buffers breaking down. But in Time, after 11 goes off to face the Daleks one last time, Clara gives the Time Lords a bollocking and they actually step in and reset the clock, so to speak, giving him a whole new set of lives (or maybe no-limits regenerations, or maybe only 4, nobody knows!) and allowing him to escape that fate. Hence we get 12, who was never supposed to exist.
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Jerusalem posted:Clara gives the Time Lords a bollocking and they actually step in and reset the clock, so to speak, giving him a whole new set of lives (or maybe no-limits regenerations, or maybe only 4, nobody knows!) and allowing him to escape that fate. Hence we get 12, who was never supposed to exist. I still want there to be an eventual scene where the Time Lords shout at the Doctor for burning through 99 regenerations at once for a ridiculous pyrotechnic display.
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Sep 25, 2015 21:24
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docbeard posted:I still want there to be an eventual scene where the Time Lords shout at the Doctor for burning through 99 regenerations at once for a ridiculous pyrotechnic display. I'd side with the Doctor on this one. You've just been given the human equivalent of an entirely new life, and you know for a fact that the regeneration process turns you into the Human Torch...and there's a huge ship populated by your enemies that just got done mocking the fact that you're dead and there's nothing you can do about it. If you're not thinking "Which font will my giant destructive gently caress YOU will be in", you're dead inside.
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Sep 25, 2015 21:39
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MisterBibs posted:I'd side with the Doctor on this one. You've just been given the human equivalent of an entirely new life, and you know for a fact that the regeneration process turns you into the Human Torch...and there's a huge ship populated by your enemies that just got done mocking the fact that you're dead and there's nothing you can do about it. Oh of course! I just think it would be funny (and completely fitting as a Time Lord position).
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Chairman Mao posted:You have to know by now that, given the opportunity to write interesting, strange, and inventive fiction Nick Briggs would choose instead to remake a classic series Dalek serial, right down to the pacing and dialogue. I had just finished Patient Zero, which I thoroughly enjoyed. You're not giving me hope for Blue Forgotten Planet.
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