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Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Youth Decay posted:

I'm growing increasingly frustrated with my job search. I graduated in May with my bachelor's and have been primarily applying to entry-level lab tech type positions, both in university labs and in biotech/pharma companies. My problem hasn't really been getting to the interview (I've had 15 out of ~80 applications), but I seem to be failing every interview and I have no idea why. This latest one I was 99% sure I did awesome on, the company has high turnover, is rapidly growing and is desperate for new employees and I thought they really liked me...but I got a rejection email a few days after. I can't tell what I'm doing wrong. The rejection letters always say something like "We got a lot of applicants and you were not chosen" without really saying why. The only thing I can think of is that something is wrong with my body language or speech. Or one of my references is loving me over but I can't imagine they'd do that. Anybody know how to go about "troubleshooting" interviews?
Yeah, something's definitely wrong. 15 interviews from 80 applications is very good, but no jobs from 15 interviews is very bad. Is your resume accurate? Maybe call your references and ask if they've gotten any feedback about you, or if they have any advice for interviews. It should give you confidence that they're actually giving good references. Do you have a mentor of some sort? Like a university professor whose lab you worked in or class you did well in?

Other than that, unless you can be more specific, I don't know how much help we can be.

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Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

Dik Hz posted:

Yeah, something's definitely wrong. 15 interviews from 80 applications is very good, but no jobs from 15 interviews is very bad. Is your resume accurate? Maybe call your references and ask if they've gotten any feedback about you, or if they have any advice for interviews. It should give you confidence that they're actually giving good references. Do you have a mentor of some sort? Like a university professor whose lab you worked in or class you did well in?

Other than that, unless you can be more specific, I don't know how much help we can be.

Well here is the generic version of my resume (I try to tailor it somewhat to each position but it generally looks like this)


I've had interviews both in academic lab tech positions for specific projects and entry-level tech interviews at companies. The interviews typically ask about the research ("It was a three-semester honors thesis in which I used molecular techniques to study the regulation of bacterial virulence factors") and then the lab assistant position ("I worked with the lab manager to support the activities of my college's biology department and keep the labaratory running smoothly" and then sort of restate my resume/cover letter.
My answers to their "soft" questions:
Q: "Where do you see yourself in 5 years/what is your career goal?"
A: "I eventually would like to pursue a PhD in microbiology to move forward in my career as a scientist, but I would like to gain several years additional work experience, learn more methods and broaden my skills before I go into such a degree program.
Q: "Where else have you applied?"
A: "I have been applying to a variety of positions in academia and industry where I think I can use my knowledge and skills."
Q: "What is your greatest strength?"
A: "I am a very organized and efficient person and this shows in my work. I can complete tasks quickly but still maintain accuracy."
Q: "What is your greatest weakness?" (god I hate this question)
A: "I am more of a mathematical-analytical minded person than artistic, so I sometimes lack creativity."
And the typical questions I ask are "What is a usual day on the job?" "What is the biggest challenge in this position?" "What is the training process like?" "What are my opportunities for advancement?"

This most recent interview that I mentioned was kind of unusual in that I had 4 mini interviews with 7 people total, all manager-lead tech types and then the HR person. The interview itself set off a zillion alarm bells in my head about the company (i.e. many comments from the leads about being overworked, HR person saying that they had recently hired a corporate psychologist to figure out ways of increasing employee motivation, the management being very very young) so that might have affected the way I sounded to them? Plus having to repeat myself so many times to different people...

My references are a professor who I took a bunch of courses with and I know really liked me as a student, the PI for my research (who also spoke highly of me) and my supervisor for that lab assistant job (who gave me superior reviews every year).

The other thing that might be hurting me is that I have a mild speech impediment that doesn't normally pop up in conversation but if I'm talking too fast or trying to say things like lipopolysaccharide or spectrophotometry then I stumble over my words. I don't know how much that would hurt me for a technical interview though.

On another note, this is the format for another interview I have on Tuesday. It's for a desk job as a "biomedical support specialist" (consultant). Has anyone ever had this kind of format? I've been reviewing the math and my old biology textbook but I don't know how much they're expecting me to dig out of my brain.

quote:

The interview will last approximately three hours. As I mentioned, the interview will consist of assessments. They are paper-based, timed, and graded right away. The four assessments you will be scheduled to take are the following:
1. Analytic general arithmetic test
2. Analytic math test (9-12 grade level analytic math problems)
3. Grammar/writing test
4. Biology knowledge test

Your scores determine how your interview continues. Depending on your scores, you would also meet with several managers regarding the position and your experience.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Youth Decay posted:

Well here is the generic version of my resume (I try to tailor it somewhat to each position but it generally looks like this)


I've had interviews both in academic lab tech positions for specific projects and entry-level tech interviews at companies. The interviews typically ask about the research ("It was a three-semester honors thesis in which I used molecular techniques to study the regulation of bacterial virulence factors") and then the lab assistant position ("I worked with the lab manager to support the activities of my college's biology department and keep the labaratory running smoothly" and then sort of restate my resume/cover letter.
My answers to their "soft" questions:
Q: "Where do you see yourself in 5 years/what is your career goal?"
A: "I eventually would like to pursue a PhD in microbiology to move forward in my career as a scientist, but I would like to gain several years additional work experience, learn more methods and broaden my skills before I go into such a degree program.
Q: "Where else have you applied?"
A: "I have been applying to a variety of positions in academia and industry where I think I can use my knowledge and skills."
Q: "What is your greatest strength?"
A: "I am a very organized and efficient person and this shows in my work. I can complete tasks quickly but still maintain accuracy."
Q: "What is your greatest weakness?" (god I hate this question)
A: "I am more of a mathematical-analytical minded person than artistic, so I sometimes lack creativity."
And the typical questions I ask are "What is a usual day on the job?" "What is the biggest challenge in this position?" "What is the training process like?" "What are my opportunities for advancement?"

This most recent interview that I mentioned was kind of unusual in that I had 4 mini interviews with 7 people total, all manager-lead tech types and then the HR person. The interview itself set off a zillion alarm bells in my head about the company (i.e. many comments from the leads about being overworked, HR person saying that they had recently hired a corporate psychologist to figure out ways of increasing employee motivation, the management being very very young) so that might have affected the way I sounded to them? Plus having to repeat myself so many times to different people...

My references are a professor who I took a bunch of courses with and I know really liked me as a student, the PI for my research (who also spoke highly of me) and my supervisor for that lab assistant job (who gave me superior reviews every year).

The other thing that might be hurting me is that I have a mild speech impediment that doesn't normally pop up in conversation but if I'm talking too fast or trying to say things like lipopolysaccharide or spectrophotometry then I stumble over my words. I don't know how much that would hurt me for a technical interview though.

On another note, this is the format for another interview I have on Tuesday. It's for a desk job as a "biomedical support specialist" (consultant). Has anyone ever had this kind of format? I've been reviewing the math and my old biology textbook but I don't know how much they're expecting me to dig out of my brain.
Your resume looks excellent, and I can see why you've gotten so many interviews. 4 years as a lab tech, winning multiple grants (even if they're small), and presenting your research is the holy trifecta every fresh out of college entry level applicant should have. Even if it is just a small grant and a regional undergraduate conference, the fact that you sought out these experiences and were successful in them is a big deal. Don't make self-defeating comments about winning money and being able to present your research.

First off, don't mention wanting to go for a PhD. When you say that, even if it's years in the future, what the employer hears is that you already have a plan for leaving and will bolt at the first opportunity. What you should say instead is that you plan on improving your skills and using those skills to benefit Company X by getting promoted to Scientist.

Also, with the speech impediment. Many people wrongly substitute language ability for intelligence overall. People in science, particularly, are very rigid in this area. I hate to say this, because in an ideal world you wouldn't have to say anything. But maybe a self-effacing comment acknowledging that you have a minor stutter or tic or whatever would help your interviewers see past it.

That interview posting is setting off alarms in my head. People don't set up interviews like that for science positions. Post it in the Lab Chat thread here and maybe someone else can give you more info.

Also, if you're set on going to get your PhD in the near future, why not now? With your resume, you should be able to get in pretty much anywhere, provided you can knowledgeably talk about your research. Just don't go to a soft-money institute and never work for anyone less than a full professor, no matter how energetic and excited they sound.

anne frank fanfic
Oct 31, 2005

Youth Decay posted:

The other thing that might be hurting me is that I have a mild speech impediment that doesn't normally pop up in conversation but if I'm talking too fast or trying to say things like lipopolysaccharide or spectrophotometry then I stumble over my words. I don't know how much that would hurt me for a technical interview though.

What kind of dumbass can't even properly pronounce loilloli lop.. lolipop sccharid.. Lolipop. Spectraphotop metrica..? They're probably making fun of you like crazy for not being able to say easy words like L.. polylpified... spectratometer.

GAYS FOR DAYS
Dec 22, 2005

by exmarx

GAYS FOR DAYS posted:

So when I showed up, for some reason u couldn't stop sweating. I mean drops running down my face, looked like I just sprinted a mile type sweating. I think it was a combination of it being hot out, wearing a tie, and the thermostat in the place being set at 76. Luckily the people I was meeting with had some kind of emergency so I had to sit and wait about 20 minutes before they could meet with me.

The interview went really really well I think. I'm cautiously optimistic and they said they would let me know early next week. I found it kind of strange that the person who will be my boss ended the interview by giving me a tour, showing me all the equipment, and introducing me to everyone on the staff. Has anyone experienced that before? Made me feel like they're definitely going to give me the job...

They offered me the job today contingent on a background and reference check and passing a drug screen. The worst thing I probably have on my record is a parking ticket from 5+ years ago.


I'm stoked. 10% higher pay, and excellent benefits with a 403(b) and a pension. It's also only 2 blocks from where I live, but is tucked away in a forested region, and I'll have an office with a window looking out into it. Not to mention I won't have to deal with the dumb poo poo at my current job any more.

MickeyFinn
May 8, 2007
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia some mark ass bitches

Dik Hz posted:


That interview posting is setting off alarms in my head. People don't set up interviews like that for science positions. Post it in the Lab Chat thread here and maybe someone else can give you more info.

I'm not sure what is bothering you about the interview posting, but for post doc positions at SLAC you'll visit the offices of 4-6 scientists and shoot the poo poo with them about your work, their work and whatever else for about an hour each. This is scheduled by the scientist/group you will work for. I haven't seen it at any of the other labs and it isn't a company, but it does happen at one place, for what that's worth.

Edit: Oh, you mean the test thing at the end of his post and not the "mini-interviews" thing. Yeah, I've never seen that before.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



MickeyFinn posted:

I'm not sure what is bothering you about the interview posting, but for post doc positions at SLAC you'll visit the offices of 4-6 scientists and shoot the poo poo with them about your work, their work and whatever else for about an hour each. This is scheduled by the scientist/group you will work for. I haven't seen it at any of the other labs and it isn't a company, but it does happen at one place, for what that's worth.

Edit: Oh, you mean the test thing at the end of his post and not the "mini-interviews" thing. Yeah, I've never seen that before.

That sounds like a company that got burned on someone not being solid on fundamentals.

Back in the day, I had to take a "WAN Test" for a Network Engineering position. They explained to me they had a guy who had prepped well for the questions, and was very personable, but didn't have the depth they needed (and he said he had).

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

Dik Hz posted:

Also, if you're set on going to get your PhD in the near future, why not now? With your resume, you should be able to get in pretty much anywhere, provided you can knowledgeably talk about your research. Just don't go to a soft-money institute and never work for anyone less than a full professor, no matter how energetic and excited they sound.

I actually applied to programs in the spring (admittedly to not as many schools as I should have, because holy poo poo grad school application fees are expensive), made it to the interview on one and blew that :(.That's why I'm concerned that something is wrong with how I'm presenting myself. I admittedly do have confidence issues although I'm much improved from the vaguely :spergin: weird girl I was 4 years ago.

The interview tomorrow isn't with a lab, it's actually a biomedical software company with federal contracts so I can sorta see why they're doing it this way. It's a small but well-respected company and the money would be better than for a bench position so I'm hoping my well-honed standardized test skills will swing things in my favor.

Skunkrocker
Jan 14, 2012

Your favorite furry wrestler.
I had my interview for a job like over a week ago and I got the job but apparently my background check still hasn't come back. Should I be worried? I mean there is nothing that would prevent me from getting the job, I'm just worried that it will never show or something.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Skunkrocker posted:

I had my interview for a job like over a week ago and I got the job but apparently my background check still hasn't come back. Should I be worried? I mean there is nothing that would prevent me from getting the job, I'm just worried that it will never show or something.

It depends, but typically for a simple felony record search it takes about a week. If it's a position with the federal government, the FBI will usually take about month for a background check for positions that are Public Trust positions (the lightest background check there is).

If you're feeling antsy, contact the HR rep or hiring manager you're communicating with and see where the process is.

Skunkrocker
Jan 14, 2012

Your favorite furry wrestler.

flosofl posted:

It depends, but typically for a simple felony record search it takes about a week. If it's a position with the federal government, the FBI will usually take about month for a background check for positions that are Public Trust positions (the lightest background check there is).

If you're feeling antsy, contact the HR rep or hiring manager you're communicating with and see where the process is.

Yeah, it's just a retail electronics store, nothing major.

Quandary
Jan 29, 2008
Currently struggling with how I bring a suit to an on campus interview they're flying me too. Like, do I just have a suit bag as a carry on that I shove into the overhead bin is there a better way?

canoshiz
Nov 6, 2005

THANK GOD FOR THE SMOKE MACHINE!

Quandary posted:

Currently struggling with how I bring a suit to an on campus interview they're flying me too. Like, do I just have a suit bag as a carry on that I shove into the overhead bin is there a better way?

Might be best to just wear it on the flight. Depending on the plane, you might be able to ask a flight attendant to hang it in a closet or on a spare rack in business class.

Bicuspid
Aug 18, 2008

canoshiz posted:

Might be best to just wear it on the flight. Depending on the plane, you might be able to ask a flight attendant to hang it in a closet or on a spare rack in business class.

yeah and then just iron it at your hotel and hope a baby doesnt throw up on you inflight

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Quandary posted:

Currently struggling with how I bring a suit to an on campus interview they're flying me too. Like, do I just have a suit bag as a carry on that I shove into the overhead bin is there a better way?
There are rollerboards specifically designed that you can fold a suit into. Alternately, hang the suit bag in the first class coat check area. The flight attendants will be cool with that.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Youth Decay posted:

I admittedly do have confidence issues although I'm much improved from the vaguely :spergin: weird girl I was 4 years ago.
Can you elaborate? Your resume looks great. Like I said in my previous post, you have what people are looking for. You have no reason to be self-conscious or have confidence issues. You might look into impostor syndrome.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

Dik Hz posted:

Can you elaborate? Your resume looks great. Like I said in my previous post, you have what people are looking for. You have no reason to be self-conscious or have confidence issues. You might look into impostor syndrome.

Yeah, impostor syndrome would cover it, along with generalized anxiety disorder/major depression that I've gotten treatment for. I still have to constantly remind myself to make eye contact and not nervously fiddle with my hair/purse strap/suit buttons when talking to people.

Siliziumleben
Dec 4, 2003

The scientists' findings were astounding! They discovered that the powers of the Metroid might be harnessed for the good of civilization!
I realize this is likely to be the most dumb and inconsequential thing to worry about, but would you rather see

Firstname Lastname

or
Firstname Middlename Lastname

on a resume header? I can't decide which looks better. I feel like including my middle name on the resume could be seen as pretentious, but it could also make the name as a whole more memorable.


Edit: Here's another dumb question. Apparently I'm full of these. From the OP:

The OP posted:

Do not include your GPA unless it is 3.5+.
I'm applying for a position that lists "a 3.0 GPA is preferred" in its requirements. I have a 3.3 GPA. Do I violate the rule in the OP and put my GPA on the resume in this case?

Siliziumleben fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Sep 23, 2015

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

Siliziumleben posted:

I realize this is likely to be the most dumb and inconsequential thing to worry about, but would you rather see

Firstname Lastname

or
Firstname Middlename Lastname

on a resume header? I can't decide which looks better. I feel like including my middle name on the resume could be seen as pretentious, but it could also make the name as a whole more memorable.
Put however you identify yourself professionally. If you have a very common combination of first and last name like Fred Smith or something, it's probably worthwhile putting your middle name to help recruiters and hiring managers find you on LinkedIn. Beyond that, it's largely a matter of personal preference.

Siliziumleben posted:

Edit: Here's another dumb question. Apparently I'm full of these. From the OP:

I'm applying for a position that lists "a 3.0 GPA is preferred" in its requirements. I have a 3.3 GPA. Do I violate the rule in the OP and put my GPA on the resume in this case?
50/50. You probably have nothing to gain by either putting it on or leaving it off. Put it on if you need to fill out that first page of your resume, leave it off if you have some worthwhile skill or experience to put on that line instead.

Prince Turveydrop
May 12, 2001

He was a veray parfit gentil knight.

Siliziumleben posted:

I realize this is likely to be the most dumb and inconsequential thing to worry about, but would you rather see

Firstname Lastname

or
Firstname Middlename Lastname

on a resume header? I can't decide which looks better. I feel like including my middle name on the resume could be seen as pretentious, but it could also make the name as a whole more memorable.

I use my middle initial. I read somewhere that it looks more distinguished, plus it takes up less room.

MickeyFinn
May 8, 2007
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia some mark ass bitches
Survey for the thread:

On Monday I had a potential job offer fall through because of a miscommunication on the start date. As a result, the guy I'd be working for sent me a "we are going to look at other candidates" email and I thanked him and wished him luck filling the role as he is under time constraint. This morning, he emailed me back to ask when I could start so that he can go to whoever is making him hire by the end of next week and argue for whatever day I give him (I guess). Anyway, I've got a bad feeling about this because he already decided to pass on me and now he is back. I have a positive opinion of the guy and so do my references, but I can't shake the feeling that going in for a second bite is a bad idea. Does anyone have any experience with this or just want to wax philosophical?

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

MickeyFinn posted:

Survey for the thread:

On Monday I had a potential job offer fall through because of a miscommunication on the start date. As a result, the guy I'd be working for sent me a "we are going to look at other candidates" email and I thanked him and wished him luck filling the role as he is under time constraint. This morning, he emailed me back to ask when I could start so that he can go to whoever is making him hire by the end of next week and argue for whatever day I give him (I guess). Anyway, I've got a bad feeling about this because he already decided to pass on me and now he is back. I have a positive opinion of the guy and so do my references, but I can't shake the feeling that going in for a second bite is a bad idea. Does anyone have any experience with this or just want to wax philosophical?
Sounds like they had another candidate lined up as a second choice, but they fell through in the interim. Roll with it.

toe knee hand
Jun 20, 2012

HANSEN ON A BREAKAWAY

HONEY BADGER DON'T SCORE
I had an interview today. It went okay (not great, but it was for a position that's possibly a bit beyond me, so fine) and one thing I noticed was I tended to trail off at the end of my answers to questions. They were competency-based, not bs questions like "where do you see yourself in 5 years", but rather "tell me about a time when you did this specific thing that would be useful for the job". Tips on how to end answers to questions like that firmly and positively without just trailing off?

Bisty Q.
Jul 22, 2008

toe knee hand posted:

I had an interview today. It went okay (not great, but it was for a position that's possibly a bit beyond me, so fine) and one thing I noticed was I tended to trail off at the end of my answers to questions. They were competency-based, not bs questions like "where do you see yourself in 5 years", but rather "tell me about a time when you did this specific thing that would be useful for the job". Tips on how to end answers to questions like that firmly and positively without just trailing off?

An easy way to do this is to end by tying your answer to the job itself. Example:

Q: Tell me about a time when you had to fix a production issue.
A: In my last job, I once stopped the line because I noticed the vanilla coating on our vanilla teapots was the wrong thickness. I pulled a sample, took it to QA and had them test it, then walked the line with the supervisor until we found the machine that was out of vanilla, and filled it back up. We got back to full production in about 30 minutes. (You could just end here, or:) Since this job involves making chocolate teapots, I'd probably do something similar here if I noticed production problems.

Remember, these questions beg for the "STAR" answer, and once you've given those 4 elements, you've told a complete story. Ending the story doesn't mean 'trailing off' as long as you tell completely what happened and why it was important. :)

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

toe knee hand posted:

I had an interview today. It went okay (not great, but it was for a position that's possibly a bit beyond me, so fine) and one thing I noticed was I tended to trail off at the end of my answers to questions. They were competency-based, not bs questions like "where do you see yourself in 5 years", but rather "tell me about a time when you did this specific thing that would be useful for the job". Tips on how to end answers to questions like that firmly and positively without just trailing off?
Practice. You've caught yourself doing it and realized you have room to improve, which is the hard part. Think about what the value was of what you did and what it brought to the company. How do you quantify that? That's your closer.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

Chaucer posted:

I use my middle initial. I read somewhere that it looks more distinguished, plus it takes up less room.

Names are weird things. I go by my middle name so I actually type it FirstInitial MiddleName LastName on the resume and type my actual first name when they want it. Or full legal name. If they just say "name" they get Initial MiddleName. Granted software companies also seem to ask for your full legal name then later say "OK so what do you like to be called?" Which is nice. I did get sick of explaining to bosses and coworkers that I never, ever use my legal first name and go by the middle one. Well officially anyway...I kind of collect nicknames for some inexplicable reason.

Pretty sure a lot of places don't care much because they realize how odd names are. Sure in America we go PersonalName FamilyName generally but some cultures go FamilyName PersonalName. Americans get 3 names but some cultures only get 1. Others get 5. So what do you do if you're from a culture where you only get one name but the form says first and last are required?

I also remember reading about a guy that had massive issues from his last name. It was like 40 letters long and never, ever fit on forms.

Evelyn Nesbit
Jul 8, 2012

I have to remind myself to put my middle name (or at least initial) down whenever possible, only because my email address is firstnamemiddlename, but because my middle name is really unique, multiple people have told me that they thought it was a weird anime thing or something. Dumb problem, I know, but I'm somehow afraid people will see it and interpret as something unprofessional.

A few weeks ago, I spoke to a recruiter for a company I had applied to in the city where I'm moving. She was really interested in setting up an interview, but because she was trying to fill up a new hire training session on Sep 28, and I'm not moving until Oct 3, she told me that I should send her an email once I'm in town, so that we can set something up then. How should I word the email?

Bisty Q.
Jul 22, 2008

Evelyn Nesbit posted:

I have to remind myself to put my middle name (or at least initial) down whenever possible, only because my email address is firstnamemiddlename, but because my middle name is really unique, multiple people have told me that they thought it was a weird anime thing or something. Dumb problem, I know, but I'm somehow afraid people will see it and interpret as something unprofessional.

A few weeks ago, I spoke to a recruiter for a company I had applied to in the city where I'm moving. She was really interested in setting up an interview, but because she was trying to fill up a new hire training session on Sep 28, and I'm not moving until Oct 3, she told me that I should send her an email once I'm in town, so that we can set something up then. How should I word the email?

Hi $recruiter,

We spoke on $date about an opportunity as a chocolate teapot tester at Consolidated Teapots, LLLP. You suggested I contact you once I arrived in East Bumblefuck, and I'm happy to report that I'm settled in and would love to speak with you more about moving forward in your process.

My contact info is below.

Name
Email
Phone

Best,
Your Full Name Here

KonMari DeathMetal
Dec 20, 2009
Hi thread, I am trying to get ready for a job search since I have been having a few issues with my current employer. I usually don't get interviews from my resume so it is probably a turd full of bad advice I've taken from other people. I want to find out where I have been going wrong, here is my latest working version. Please be harsh so I can get a good job and make hundreds of dollars.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t07e2cbz3nmkbpf/DUMB%20IDIOT%20RESUME.doc?dl=0

Edit: Messed the link up.

KonMari DeathMetal fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Sep 27, 2015

SPACE HOMOS
Jan 12, 2005

I graduated last December and have been trying to find a job but haven't had any luck. The only work I've had since I graduated was when I was cold called by a temp agency needing graders for the PARCC exam. I've applied a lot of jobs but am not exactly sure what I am doing wrong. I read the list of dos and don'ts for resumes and for the most part it follows this. One of my friends used to work in a recruiter position and helped me tweak my resume a few months back. Yet I still feel like I am doing something wrong as I haven't been called back.

For the metrics, I am not sure how to sell someone on this with my past experience. I suppose my last job I could say "Saved XXX dollars by making repairs to equipment" or something along that lines, but I am not even sure what to put. My second question is I have my past job which was a student worker position and my military experience, but should I still put my education first as that is the most recent thing?

On my last job, I was a student worker but was referred to as a "hardware technician" where I would repair printers (this included fixing solder joints and replacing components), PC hardware, add equipment to the domain, some software issues, etc. I don't have it listed as a student worker job, do people look down on this?

This might not be appropriate for this thread, but I have a BS in mathematics with an emphasis on pure mathematics. I've been applying to entry level software developers, financial jobs, IT jobs, administrative assistant jobs, and so on. I wish I could do some sort of data science but every position I see requires a MS and up. I'm not sure what to do anymore and feel like maybe I don't have marketable skills. I took programming classes, but it was three years ago in Java - so I don't know where I would fit.

Rosalind
Apr 30, 2013

When we hit our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change.

Brotein_Shake posted:

Hi thread, I am trying to get ready for a job search since I have been having a few issues with my current employer. I usually don't get interviews from my resume so it is probably a turd full of bad advice I've taken from other people. I want to find out where I have been going wrong, here is my latest working version. Please be harsh so I can get a good job and make hundreds of dollars.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t07e2cbz3nmkbpf/DUMB%20IDIOT%20RESUME.doc?dl=0

Edit: Messed the link up.

Harsh? Ok.

What the gently caress is this? Like what the gently caress jobs are you applying for? It's all over the goddamn place and doesn't tell me anything. If your resume is supposed to tell a story about a person, the story I get from this at-a-glance is you're some gently caress-up with no follow-through for anything they do and no real marketable skills. But that's not what you are. You have some legit good things in here. You just need to present them better.

Why is your Master's degree buried under an Associated and a meaningless language class (lol)? I bet 90% of potential employers aren't going to read all three. Do you not have a BS or BA? Why is that not on there but a language class (still lol) is? Maybe your not applying to positions relevant to your master's, but at least it says "hey I am capable of completing graduate-level coursework and am not just some kid in a community college who took some Chinese lessons."

What skills do you have? Why are they not listed anywhere? Do you know any programming languages? Do you know Word, Excel, etc.?

Your bulleted job responsibilities suck. They're vague and simultaneously too specific to those particular jobs. Like why the gently caress do I, a hiring manager in the US, care you managed to raise some Chinese kid's test scores 5 percentage points? What does your ability to do that say about you more broadly as a person that might be applicable to the types of jobs you're applying for? Also if you are supervising others that should absolutely go first. Finally, they're too wordy. If they don't fit on one line, you're being too verbose.

Also 3 of the 4 bullet points for your current position are saying the same thing with different words. It makes it sound like you're struggling to actually list anything.

Unless you are applying for a job at a literal dojo, no one cares you led a martial arts club.

No one cares about language skills if you're not fluent in those languages.

There's a ton of typos, inconsistencies, syntax errors, and just general mistakes scattered throughout. That just looks sloppy and like you don't care.


SPACE HOMOS posted:

I graduated last December and have been trying to find a job but haven't had any luck. The only work I've had since I graduated was when I was cold called by a temp agency needing graders for the PARCC exam. I've applied a lot of jobs but am not exactly sure what I am doing wrong. I read the list of dos and don'ts for resumes and for the most part it follows this. One of my friends used to work in a recruiter position and helped me tweak my resume a few months back. Yet I still feel like I am doing something wrong as I haven't been called back.

For the metrics, I am not sure how to sell someone on this with my past experience. I suppose my last job I could say "Saved XXX dollars by making repairs to equipment" or something along that lines, but I am not even sure what to put. My second question is I have my past job which was a student worker position and my military experience, but should I still put my education first as that is the most recent thing?

On my last job, I was a student worker but was referred to as a "hardware technician" where I would repair printers (this included fixing solder joints and replacing components), PC hardware, add equipment to the domain, some software issues, etc. I don't have it listed as a student worker job, do people look down on this?

This might not be appropriate for this thread, but I have a BS in mathematics with an emphasis on pure mathematics. I've been applying to entry level software developers, financial jobs, IT jobs, administrative assistant jobs, and so on. I wish I could do some sort of data science but every position I see requires a MS and up. I'm not sure what to do anymore and feel like maybe I don't have marketable skills. I took programming classes, but it was three years ago in Java - so I don't know where I would fit.

Was the money saved because YOU were the one who came up with the idea to make those repairs? If so, it's "Designed and implemented BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT repair program resulting in $X in savings." Else it's probably "Repaired BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT." If it wasn't your idea and you were just doing what you were told, I'm more interested in the fact that you were able to repair whatever it was. If you were leading it though, always show leadership above everything else.

If the job requires X amount of work experience, put your work experience first showing that you have that amount. Hiring managers are going to check for that first so if they can't find it right away, they might not even bother. If the position is academic, then education should go first. If the position requires a certain degree or level of education, then education should go first.

If it shows that you had the job while in school at the same school, anyone who cares will put 2 and 2 together. No one really cares as long as you're not making it seem like you were super ultra important when really you were just a grunt.

What I do for a living could be called data science to some degree and I have had people working for me as unpaid interns with doctorates in mathematics because a degree in math does not qualify you for a career in data science by any stretch of the imagination. You need to have a collection of on-the-ground programming skills (like R, Python, SQL--not just classroom junk) as well as a solid statistical background (like how to do modeling and forecasting and simulations and stuff like that--not just the frequentist statistical testing you learn in undergrad). If I were to ever even consider someone with just a BA/BS level degree for the type of work I do, I would need to see those skills above at minimum AND at least 2-3 years of experience.

From the sound of things, the only thing you're applying for that you seem remotely qualified for are the IT positions.

Rosalind fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Oct 7, 2015

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.
Got an interview follow-up request 3 months after initial screener interview. That can't be a good sign as far as a well managed company goes, right? It almost sounds like the initial hire quit.

Bluedeanie
Jul 20, 2008

It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?



Xandu posted:

Got an interview follow-up request 3 months after initial screener interview. That can't be a good sign as far as a well managed company goes, right? It almost sounds like the initial hire quit.

At my current job, I got a call back months after my initial interview (although technically I had to re-apply.) They were hiring two people and one person ended up declining the job after all at the very last minute, and a different employee coincidentally took a job somewhere else around the same time. I wouldn't say we're horribly mismanaged, it was just circumstantial in my case.

stephelopholus
Feb 24, 2011

Bluedeanie posted:

At my current job, I got a call back months after my initial interview (although technically I had to re-apply.) They were hiring two people and one person ended up declining the job after all at the very last minute, and a different employee coincidentally took a job somewhere else around the same time. I wouldn't say we're horribly mismanaged, it was just circumstantial in my case.

This gives me hope. I interviewed in-person twice for a great job. Both interviews went really well, and the company acted like they were looking to make a decision quickly. It has now been almost two months since the final interview. I have not heard a single thing.

SPACE HOMOS
Jan 12, 2005

Rosalind posted:

What I do for a living could be called data science to some degree and I have had people working for me as unpaid interns with doctorates in mathematics because a degree in math does not qualify you for a career in data science by any stretch of the imagination. You need to have a collection of on-the-ground programming skills (like R, Python, SQL--not just classroom junk) as well as a solid statistical background (like how to do modeling and forecasting and simulations and stuff like that--not just the frequentist statistical testing you learn in undergrad). If I were to ever even consider someone with just a BA/BS level degree for the type of work I do, I would need to see those skills above at minimum AND at least 2-3 years of experience.

From the sound of things, the only thing you're applying for that you seem remotely qualified for are the IT positions.

Except I have a good understanding of SQL and personal experience in scripting languages. As for modelling we have to take basic statistic courses and also what they call numerical analysis which is all modelling and predictions (in MATLAB which is similar to R). While I am not claiming to be an expert but I should have enough information for entry level positions.

I also despise IT work and have no interest in fixing peoples email.

Rosalind
Apr 30, 2013

When we hit our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change.

SPACE HOMOS posted:

Except I have a good understanding of SQL and personal experience in scripting languages. As for modelling we have to take basic statistic courses and also what they call numerical analysis which is all modelling and predictions (in MATLAB which is similar to R). While I am not claiming to be an expert but I should have enough information for entry level positions.

I also despise IT work and have no interest in fixing peoples email.

Ok well that sounds a little better. You should absolutely learn R. Still, if the position requires a masters and you don't have one then you need enough demonstrable experience in the field to make up for it. Even then, many HR departments won't forward applicants to the hiring manager/committee if they don't meet the minimum requirements.

KonMari DeathMetal
Dec 20, 2009


Thank you for that, I've spent years around people who have no idea what the gently caress they were doing with resumes and had been going to them for feedback. I will get that poo poo fixed up.

UberChair
Jan 8, 2008

This club is borin' the crap outta me!
I just got bitch-slapped by the long arm of corporate downsizing, and I'm in the market of looking for a new job, which means it's time to dust off the old resume. A few things: This was my first job out of college which I held for a solid 3 years of good performance before the layoffs hit, and my old boss has written me a personal letter of rec. With that in mind, what should I look to do on my resume? I realize the OP states to downplay academic achievement after the first few jobs, but I'm not sure if it's still fresh enough to really make a mark. Maybe just list the research projects I worked on and keep it short and simple? Should the letter and any other be attached to the resume/CV when I send it in? I'm a little rusty at all this. Thanks!

Not Grover
Nov 6, 2007
I am applying for a program coordinator job at the college I graduated from 2 years ago. The position is mostly administrative in nature and has been vacant for about a year or so, and up until very recently it was only open to licensed veterinarians (program director). Now, they have opened it up to licensed vet techs (which I am) who would do essentially the same job with some differences as far as classes and things, who would be titled program coordinator. I have my application all put together and am getting my thoughts together in a cover letter. My:

Pros
While in the program I was very involved and well liked.
I was president of the student vet tech organization during my last year.
I worked as a TA that year and am currently also TAing for a lab class for the program right now
My last year, the program was facing being terminated and I organized a successful petition that wound up with 1000+ signatures from veterinarians, technicians, and member of the community
They have been looking for a long time and are not getting (m)any applicants

Cons
I only have two years of clinical experience under my belt - I have been working full time emergency work though, so I have seen and handled a pretty wide variety and depth of cases since graduating, and I would continue working part time in practice to help stay current.
I only have my associate's degree, rather than a bachelors - I have a strong desire to continue my education though, and being in the system would facilitate that by making it easier to take courses.

I guess I'm looking for input or thoughts about applying for a job when you might be or feel minimally qualified. This is a job I would really love to have and do - I am very committed to student development and learning. Thoughts?

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Brain In A Jar
Apr 21, 2008

Looking for some advice on not getting my resume binned immediately.

I have a very unusual name, and I have a feeling it's causing a lot of my applications to get canned before people even read them. I've considered applying for jobs under my middle name, using it as an email address, in all my correspondence, etc. etc., but I'm worried that employers will see this as dishonest if I get to any official document stage and have to say "actually, my name is really ____".

As much as I got poo poo for it growing up (and still quite frequently as an adult) it's the name I was given and I'm used to it. It would feel weird throwing it away for the sake of career progression but at the same time I don't want to be stuck forever losing out on jobs just because of my name.

Anyone experienced this, or have any advice or tips in the area?

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