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I once did a level 1 run of this game. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but it's neat that the game gives you the tools to make it possible. Until you get to the end of disc 3, that is.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Needless to say, there's a ton of references in this game to the previous eight games (and a few other titles like Parasite Eve for some reason). I think there are less references to VIII than the others, though. The default party in the original American NES Final Fantasy if you did not change anything was Fighter, Thief, Black Belt, and Red Mage. If you just tapped A repeatedly their names were all "AAAA' too. I might have been a stupid child unable to figure out how to switch them at first.
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Sep 29, 2015 04:22
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SorataYuy posted:Huh. The acoustics in here must be really bad or something, I could have sworn I said (and meant!) something else entirely, but I shall of course, bow to you, the Superior Being. For you have obviously mastered Online Telepathy, that rare gift that lets you see across the miles and understand exactly what someone meant even if that's not at all what they actually said. Go, go! Your talents are obviously wasted here upon lesser beings such as myself! quote:The more you talk about that guide, the more I can't help but picture the author as Sheldon from Big Bang Theory, but even stranger and more anal-retentive and annoying. Like the type of neckbearded goon even the gooniest of goons looks at, and just shakes their head in pity and disgust. how is this not an insult man. TheFattestPat posted:I once did a level 1 run of this game. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but it's neat that the game gives you the tools to make it possible. Until you get to the end of disc 3, that is.
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Sep 29, 2015 10:21
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Endorph posted:how is this not an insult man. Because making an observation or expressing an opinion, is not the same thing as an insult. The observation was merely that "wow, there is knowing your stuff and being a pro, and then there's the guy who wrote that guide, who sounds like he went off his meds a long time ago, and looks it." Also, I do this weird thing - I try to only say exactly what I mean. If you want to feel I am implying insult, that's on you. The question I have now is A. Why automatically assume insult? And B. Why take a comment not aimed at you at all so personally?
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Sep 29, 2015 13:42
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SorataYuy posted:sounds like he went off his meds a long time ago, and looks it. and because it's really unpleasant to read a bunch of 2007-era SA 'heh look at this nerd' circlejerking
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Sep 29, 2015 14:11
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the level 1 gamefaqs guide person is cool, and i would be his or her friend.
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Sep 29, 2015 14:16
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Endorph posted:the level 1 gamefaqs guide person is cool, and i would be his or her friend. Please find the Edit button already. It's a friendly button, with nothing scary about it.  Edit: also, I'm not talking about a level 1 guide. OFS is doing a good job there. I'm talking about the "Perfect run" guide Simply Simon is sharing excerpts from, where the object is to get everything possible while still shooting for a speedrun of under 12 hours, which inevitably will include a few hundred resets. Oh, and it also gives directions that can be summed up as "you get random points in the Festival from this particular encounter but aim for 100 exactly because that's a nice round number that triggers this other thing (that you get for a minimum 100 anyway...)" which then needs *more* resets, and replaying and THIS IS FUN, RIGHT??? (Double edit: huh. so it -is- a level 1 guide, as I just discovered. And the dude spent 10 years, planning, writing and editing it. ...That's way past the level of obsession I was thinking, drat.  )As for the "circlejerk", if that's what you want to read into it, whatevs, bud. In all seriousness though, if you really have such an issue with my worldview - please just take it up in the PMs. Okay?
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Sep 29, 2015 14:40
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Keep posting about posting, folks. It can only go good places. I haven't played this game in years, but I've got a PS2 and my old FF9 discs, so maybe I should give it another go. When I was a kid, I... I liked the card game  So many wasted hours...
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Sep 29, 2015 14:59
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Litany Unheard posted:When I was a kid, I... I liked the card game What'd you like about it? For me, collecting the cards was fun, but the actual game is far too nonsensical to enjoy. I ended up using an Eidolon card against a Fang or something and the Eidolon lost. And then, since it had arrows in a bunch of directions, it spread to all of the other cards on the board, causing me to lose all of the cards I'd played with. 
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Sep 29, 2015 15:05
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Knock it off you two. And also stop double/triple posting.
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Sep 29, 2015 16:04
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Endorph posted:It's pretty unintentional. Most RPGs can be beaten at level 1, or at least a minimum level. it's just due to how the mechanics work. So long as you can deal damage to an enemy, you can eventually beat them. Very few bosses in RPGs heal themselves. I think he meant that it's specifically level one. Even in FF5, 6, and 12 where bosses don't give EXP, you still can't get to 1 exactly. FF5 has a minimum 5/3/3/4 spread for its 4 characters iirc, and 6 it ranges from 6 to 13, and 12 has a 1/2/2/3/3/3 spread due to characters joining with average+1 levels. 10 and 13 have opt-in level-up systems which take some of the beauty/frustration out of it, and 2 doesn't even have levels. The rest have bosses that give EXP or are 8 where staying at lowest possible levels is kind of advantageous. But FF9 lets you have the entire crew at level 1, the lowest possible. Until the end of disc 3 anyway, where three unlucky punks have to tank unavoidable levels due to those enemies being immune to Petrify. It ends with 1/1/1/1/1/22/22/22, and I do in fact plan to not use the 22s past that point.
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Sep 29, 2015 16:45
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FoolyCharged posted:You didn't like the dungeon with no save points and a wide variety of monsters with petrify(?)/stun/instakill? This dungeon was a total nightmare for me because Litany Unheard posted:When I was a kid, I... I liked the card game You must have skipped FF8 then right? I can't imagine anyone coming from Triple Triad and thinking the FFIX card game was in any way enjoyable.
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Sep 29, 2015 16:54
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U-DO Burger posted:You must have skipped FF8 then right? I can't imagine anyone coming from Triple Triad and thinking the FFIX card game was in any way enjoyable. Tetra Master, on the other hand, actually felt more like a game. There was nothing really to gain by playing it, so I never felt completionist about it like H&C, and there was no feeling of loss of interest, because the outcomes weren't set. And yes, that means I rate the card game above H&C, too. Granted, I never bothered with Card Modding or breaking FF8 in any way, so that might be part of it.
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Sep 29, 2015 17:35
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You don't really need the character cards in Triple Triad so long you have the Plus rule in effect. That's when the game gets really fun imo, because if you think things through, your terrible cards can completely ruin your opponent's superior cardsAntitonic posted:And yes, that means I rate the card game above H&C, too. disgusting
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Sep 29, 2015 18:16
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I think he meant that it's specifically level one. Even in FF5, 6, and 12 where bosses don't give EXP, you still can't get to 1 exactly. FF5 has a minimum 5/3/3/4 spread for its 4 characters iirc, and 6 it ranges from 6 to 13, and 12 has a 1/2/2/3/3/3 spread due to characters joining with average+1 levels. 10 and 13 have opt-in level-up systems which take some of the beauty/frustration out of it, and 2 doesn't even have levels. The rest have bosses that give EXP or are 8 where staying at lowest possible levels is kind of advantageous. Out of curiousity, who will the unlucky three be? If memory serves, you have the option of either having three tank them, or one specific tank everything. Since you're going with the three, I can guess who one of the unlucky three is (Dagger), but who will the other two be?
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Sep 29, 2015 20:36
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SMaster777 posted:Out of curiousity, who will the unlucky three be? If memory serves, you have the option of either having three tank them, or one specific tank everything. Since you're going with the three, I can guess who one of the unlucky three is (Dagger), but who will the other two be? It's usually Freya and either Zidane or Quina.
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Sep 29, 2015 20:49
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ApplesandOranges posted:It's usually Freya and either Zidane or Quina. I imagine OFS will use Quina for that purpose since Zidane is required to be used for most of the game. It'd kind of suck to go the rest of the game with only 3 characters. Probably not impossible, but certainly undesirable, especially since he's the one packing Flee.
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Sep 29, 2015 21:33
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Random thought I always confused Tetra Master with Triple Triad name-wise. Since obviously the more confusing cardgame should have the more confounding name right? Then again manipulating TT into a setup where no rules exist besides maybe the same rule, thats complex in its own right
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Sep 29, 2015 21:59
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Antitonic posted:I prefer Tetra Master to Triple Triad for the same reason I dislike Constructed MTG; it feels less like: "you have these cards or you don't win". Obviously that's not the actual case, but once you got the character cards, there was no appeal for me. I'm with you. I hated Triple Triad because it felt like it was part of the main game so I felt pressure to play it and it was all about having the right cards. Tetra Master I had only a basic idea of the rules but I could sit down and play with no risk and no benefit gained and just throw down cards to see what would happen. I got reasonably good and there was still the occasional upset loss due to randomness but I also liked the randomness. I did prefer Chocobo Hot and Cold over the card game because it was fun to panic and look for that last stupid treasure while the clock was ticking knowing it was okay if I failed because I could try again for a trivial fee.
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Sep 29, 2015 23:48
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Bufuman posted:I imagine OFS will use Quina for that purpose since Zidane is required to be used for most of the game. It'd kind of suck to go the rest of the game with only 3 characters. Probably not impossible, but certainly undesirable, especially since he's the one packing Flee. As a counterpoint... Zidane's actually not mandatory in the final dungeon. The game NEVER tells the player this, but should the player try to change parties there, Zidane's removable. He gets forced back in should the player try to leave, though.
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Sep 30, 2015 00:32
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I'll be doing a CES run of the final dungeon on top to make it really high stakes, actually.
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Sep 30, 2015 00:49
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Forgive my ignorance, but CES?
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Sep 30, 2015 04:41
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BrightWing posted:Forgive my ignorance, but CES? Celes Edgar Setzer. It's a FFVI thing where people do the final dungeon with the bare minimum number of party members recruited. Very tough, when you have to split into three teams and you only have three people.
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Sep 30, 2015 04:46
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I'm amazed that VI lets you finish the game without recruiting Terra, considering that she's pretty important to the plot and arguably THE main character.
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Sep 30, 2015 04:51
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She shows up for the end anyways, but you don't need her as an active party member.
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Sep 30, 2015 04:58
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CES is pretty fun to, and definitely worth doing at least once. Especially since you have no access to Ultima.
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Sep 30, 2015 05:25
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Schwartzcough posted:Celes Edgar Setzer. It's a FFVI thing where people do the final dungeon with the bare minimum number of party members recruited. Very tough, when you have to split into three teams and you only have three people. Ah, the minimum party thing for VI. Never knew it had a special name. Doing a level 1 run or Excalibur 2 run has always been something I've wanted to do if I ever decided to play IX again. But after seeing OFS deal with this, I think I'm just better off not doing either. E: ∨ I had forgotten whether or not he mentioned it, just didn't want to risk anything. Especially not for a game I love this much. BrightWing fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Sep 30, 2015 |
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Sep 30, 2015 07:18
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Didn't Mega spoil the thing you tagged in an update for easy discussion of something he wouldn't do? Not to call you out, just double checking for myself/future reference.
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Sep 30, 2015 07:23
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I was going to find it but just before hitting "view all (mega64's) posts" I realized what a poor idea that was on my phone. I am 99% certain he did, simply so people could talk about it and because he wasn't even going to attempt to get it. And the process involved in getting it doesn't include any spoilers.
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Sep 30, 2015 14:55
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Schwartzcough posted:Celes Edgar Setzer. It's a FFVI thing where people do the final dungeon with the bare minimum number of party members recruited. Very tough, when you have to split into three teams and you only have three people. Specifically I'm making a joke because why are you people discussing the level 1 run in the final dungeon?
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Sep 30, 2015 16:20
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Specifically I'm making a joke because why are you people discussing the level 1 run in the final dungeon? (yes, Mega has spoken of it. I paid special attention because it saves me a lot of spoiler tags)
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Sep 30, 2015 16:25
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Simply Simon posted:And the Excalibur 2 also won't be gotten, probably...scrubmeister.  Sure I have eight minutes to go from the middle of disc 2 to near the end of the game... but that's part of the challenge... right...?
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Sep 30, 2015 16:37
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For a game overflowing with so much detail, it's bizarre that they'd only let you get the best sword in the game by rushing through it. At least Excalibur II has no unique abilities. 
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Sep 30, 2015 16:53
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:
I expected more from you, Orange Fluffy Sheep. So disillusioned...
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Sep 30, 2015 16:57
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:For a game overflowing with so much detail, it's bizarre that they'd only let you get the best sword in the game by rushing through it. It was probably intended less as a reward for speedrunning and more a crutch for people who rushed through the game so fast that they might have lovely characters and equipment.
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Sep 30, 2015 17:08
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Phantasium posted:It was probably intended less as a reward for speedrunning and more a crutch for people who rushed through the game so fast that they might have lovely characters and equipment. I don't think anyone is ever going to accidentally get Exaclibur II
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Sep 30, 2015 17:17
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Phantasium posted:It was probably intended less as a reward for speedrunning and more a crutch for people who rushed through the game so fast that they might have lovely characters and equipment. So, if you ditched for example just the Level 1 part you could speedrun the game pretty easily probably, at the very least concerning resets numbering in the high thousands, if that is not far too conservative. Meaning that Excalibur 2 is not a challenge that only a few people can ever do, if you'd really want to, you could probably do it yourself without missing much (or anything), the Perfect Game Guide just makes it seem ludicrous because of all its other self-imposed restrictions. Though your failsafe idea is neat, and it might well also be the case. I don't remember the Excalibur 2 scene though (I haven't done it myself, but I've seen pictures), it might be "hey cool you are a master player", but it might also be "are you loving insane? Okay have a weapon geeze" and anything in between  .
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Sep 30, 2015 17:18
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I wasn't actually talking about whatever Perfect Guide your referencing, but more from a design standpoint of the developers.
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Sep 30, 2015 17:26
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Phantasium posted:I wasn't actually talking about whatever Perfect Guide your referencing, but more from a design standpoint of the developers. Neither am I. You're talking going through 3 discs of a final fantasy game in less than 12 hours. You have to know exactly what you should be doing at every point in order to actually have a chance at getting the sword. I very much doubt anyone would ever get this as a surprise reward. If that was their intent - a catchup mechanism for someone who's rushed too fast through the game - they did a horrible job in it. Honestly if you can manage to get the weapon you're already good enough to not need it. Ugato fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Sep 30, 2015 |
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Considering how much speedrunning you have to do in order to get it - the TAS only has 4 hours and 40 minutes to spare, and that's a TAS - I don't think anyone who needs it as a crutch is going to be playing the game fast enough to obtain it.
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