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FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

SynthOrange posted:


Signage on the outside.

There's signage like that on the front of every single industrial facility you've seen posted, alluded to or discussed in this thread.

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Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
The company I work for (one of the largest in canada) motto is "Everyone safe, everyday!" & "Safety matters... Most!". All placesthat aren't small fly by night companies will have something similar

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Hot Karl Marx posted:

The company I work for (one of the largest in canada) motto is "Everyone safe, everyday!" & "Safety matters... Most!". All placesthat aren't small fly by night companies will have something similar

It costs all of ten bucks to stencil "SAFETY FIRST!" All over poo poo so I wouldn't event use that as a mark of not being a fly by night poo poo show.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle





Ahhhh, why is it that intense color? Is it supposed to be soothing? Help people stay alert? Remind them that if they fail everything they know and love will be glowing green?

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

Trabisnikof posted:

The CSB is a relatively newer thing, the fact that we have any governmental organization mandated to make those kinds of recommendations is actually huge.

It has worked too, there have been a few emergency changes made to standards due to CSB action.
Here's my usual reminder in the thread that as recently as the 80s, chemical plants were exploding with regularity and seeming purpose. OSHA PSM, the regulatory proclamation to please stop blowing up, is 25 years old and has only really hit full stride in the past 15 years.

Whether its due to managerial malice, systematic incompetence, or a series of what were thought to be improbably mistakes, CSB bulletins like that one are pretty great info sharing and reminders of things like unplugging hazardous lines is rightfully a butt clenching experience and that you should probably check whats inside your indeterminate vent header before opening it up to atmosphere.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



Three-Phase posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nemYBeT4aQY

"Hey Jack, look at this feedwater level indicator!" :stonk:

Real life (simulator)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swr74_CDyLk

Thanks to this post I started watching china syndrome - its pretty good!

Wooten
Oct 4, 2004

Took this at a wedding.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
This strikes me as unsafe

Nuevo
May 23, 2006

:eyepop::shittypop::eyepop::shittypop::eyepop::shittypop::eyepop::shittypop::eyepop::shittypop::eyepop::shittypop::eyepop::shittypop::eyepop::shittypop:
Fun Shoe

Angela Christine posted:

Ahhhh, why is it that intense color?

Bad white balance.

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RabbitWizard
Oct 21, 2008

Muldoon

No it's not. This isn't a sentient machine with the will to destroy people. It's a loving robot arm that will move as programmed and (if correctly serviced) is more trustworthy than any human.

This, however, seems to be unsafe:



"Art".

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

RabbitWizard posted:

This, however, seems to be unsafe:


What, he has an extra ear to hear -and ignore- safety warnings with.

More safe!



Or at least pretend to hear them with. Pretty sure it was non functional.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Angela Christine posted:

Ahhhh, why is it that intense color? Is it supposed to be soothing? Help people stay alert? Remind them that if they fail everything they know and love will be glowing green?

So many old control room were just terribly designed. They were designed by engineers with absolutely no regard for how humans take in information or react during a crisis.

I think even Three Mile Island happened due to lovely control room design.

I know of several air crashed which occurred because or poor alarm designs where the information just wasn't getting to the pilots that this particular alarm was what they needed to pay attention to, rather than the half a dozen other ones and the pilots got swamped with information rather than just being fed the important information.


Control rooms can be pretty, though:




It's a terrible design. Everything's far too similar in appearance and too far apart. But it looks nice.

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

Gorilla Salad posted:




It's a terrible design. Everything's far too similar in appearance and too far apart. But it looks nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeLnS8O08ng

I love the fractal lighting.

Dillbag
Mar 4, 2007

Click here to join Lem Lee in the Hell Of Being Cut To Pieces
Nap Ghost

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


One thing I liked in that control room video, which someone else also alluded to, is how all the alarms have a different tone and you can work out from the harmonies what particular combination of poo poo you are in at any point. It also seems to be tuned not to be in the same range as speech and also not deafeningly loud.

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

FrozenVent posted:

It costs all of ten bucks to stencil "SAFETY FIRST!" All over poo poo so I wouldn't event use that as a mark of not being a fly by night poo poo show.

We have a very strong safety culture and most of the foreman worry about safety than getting the job done. It's honestly all the young foreman trying to make a name for themselves that they start taking chances and shortcuts to try and get production done.

Can't get pipe in ground if you can't walk though, that's what they don't understand

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Gorilla Salad posted:

So many old control room were just terribly designed. They were designed by engineers with absolutely no regard for how humans take in information or react during a crisis.

I think even Three Mile Island happened due to lovely control room design.

I know of several air crashed which occurred because or poor alarm designs where the information just wasn't getting to the pilots that this particular alarm was what they needed to pay attention to, rather than the half a dozen other ones and the pilots got swamped with information rather than just being fed the important information.


This is a really big deal. Works like that for medical alarms, too. Walk through an ICU or even most hospital rooms and alarms are going off everywhere all the time, and they get ignored. If they're ignorable, they shouldn't be alarms in the first place.

Here's a really loving great article on how despite fancy electronic ordering systems with multiple automated and manual check processes, a 16-year-old kid was dosed with 38.5 times the intended dose of antibiotics.


quote:

Computerized medication alerts represent only a small fraction of the false alarms that besiege clinicians each day. Barbara Drew, a nurse-researcher at UCSF, has been studying a similar problem, alarms in the ICU, for decades. During that time, she has seen them grow louder, more frequent, and more insistent. She has witnessed many Code Blues triggered by false alarms, as well as deaths when alarms were silenced by nurses who had simply grown weary of all the noise.
A 2011 investigation by the Boston Globe identified at least 216 deaths in the U. S. between January 2005 and June 2010 linked to alarm malfunction or alarm fatigue. In 2013, The Joint Commission, the main accreditor of American hospitals, issued an urgent directive calling on hospitals to improve alarm safety. The ECRI Institute, a nonprofit consulting organization that monitors data on medical errors, has listed alarm-related problems as the top technology hazard in healthcare in each of the last four years.


[...]

I wanted to see if medicine might learn from other professionals who need to perform their tasks in a swirling, often confusing, high-stakes environment. The aviation industry seemed like a natural place to look, so I spoke to Captain Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger, the famed “Miracle on the Hudson” pilot. “The warnings in cockpits now are prioritized so you don’t get alarm fatigue,” he told me. “We work very hard to avoid false positives because false positives are one of the worst things you could do to any warning system. It just makes people tune them out.” He encouraged me to visit Boeing’s headquarters to see how its cockpit engineers manage the feat of alerting pilots at the right time, in the right way, while avoiding alert fatigue.
I spent a day in Seattle with several of the Boeing engineers and human factors experts responsible for cockpit design in the company’s commercial fleet. “We created this group to look across all the different gauges and indicators and displays and put it together into a common, consistent set of rules,” Bob Myers, chief of the team, told me. “We are responsible for making sure the integration works out.”

I sat inside the dazzling cockpit of a 777 simulator with Myers and Alan Jacobsen, a technical fellow with the flight deck team, as they enumerated the hierarchy of alerts that pilots may see. They are:

* An impending stall leads to red lights, a red text message, a voice warning, and activation of the “stick shaker,” meaning that the steering wheel vibrates violently. “The plane is going to fall out of the sky if you don’t do anything,” Myers explained calmly.

* Further down the hierarchy are “warnings,” of which there are about 40. These are events that require immediate pilot awareness and rapid action, although they may not threaten the flight path. Believe it or not, an engine fire no longer merits a higher-level warning because it doesn’t affect the flight path. (“Fires in engines are almost nonevents now,” said Myers, because the systems to handle them are so robust.) The conventions for warnings are red lights, text and a voice alarm, but no stick shaker. Impressively, the color red is never used in the
cockpit except for high-level warnings — that’s how much thought the industry has given to these standards.

* The next level down is a “caution,” and there are about 150 such situations. Cautions require immediate pilot awareness but may not require instant action. Having an engine quit in a multiengine plane generates only a caution (again, my jaw drops when I hear this), since the pilot may or may not have to do something right away, depending on the plane’s altitude. A failure of the air-conditioning system — which ultimately can lead to a loss of cabin pressure — is another caution event. With cautions, the lights and text are amber, and there is only one alert modality, usually visual.

* The final level is an “advisory,” like the failure of a hydraulic pump. Since jets are designed with massive redundancy, no action is required, but the pilot does need to know about it, since it might influence the way the landing gear responds late in the flight. Advisories trigger an amber text message — now indented — on the cockpit screen, and no warning light.

For every kind of alert, a checklist automatically pops up on a central screen to help guide the cockpit crew to a solution. The checklists are preprogrammed to match the problems that triggered the alert.

And that’s it. I asked Myers and Jacobsen how, with more than 10,000 data points recorded on every flight, they resist the urge to warn the pilots about everything, as we seem to do in healthcare. “It’s a judgment call,” Jacobsen told me. “We have a team of people — experts in systems safety and analysis — who make that judgment.” Because of this process, the percentage of flights that have any alerts whatsoever — warnings, cautions, or advisories — is low, well below 10 percent.

I wondered whether the designers of individual components sometimes advocate for their own favorite alerts. Myers chuckled. “It’s funny, you’ll get some young engineer whose responsibility is the window heat system. He comes in with this list of 25 messages that he wants us to tell the pilot about his system: it’s on high, it’s on medium, it’s on low, it’s partially failed, you can’t operate it below 26 degrees. . . . He comes out of the meeting — a meeting in which the pilots say, ‘We don’t care!’ — and he’s like [Myers affects an Eeyore voice], ‘This is my job, this is my life, and it doesn’t even make it onto the flight deck.’”

Like many of aviation’s safety solutions, the parsimonious approach to alerts came from insights born of tragedies. “The original ‘gear down’ warning was linked to the throttle,” recalled Myers, meaning that it went off, falsely, every time the pilot slowed the plane. “So the pilots’ learned response was throttle back, disconnect the alert.” Predictably, this led to accidents when pilots ignored this alert even when there truly was a problem. Another example: in the early days of the Boeing 727, some alerts were so frequent and wrong that pilots yanked the circuit breakers to quash them.

When I told the Boeing engineers about my world — not only the frequency of computerized medication alerts, but also the ubiquity of alarms in our intensive care units — they were astonished. “Oh, my goodness,” was all Myers could say.

Edmund Sparkler
Jul 4, 2003
For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are peris


"Look like I've just been in one of them bukakke pornos!"

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Three-Phase posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nemYBeT4aQY

"Hey Jack, look at this feedwater level indicator!" :stonk:

That movie scared the poo poo out of me when I was a kid, along with my whole family. The final scram sequence was terrifying.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

FIRST TIME posted:

"Look like I've just been in one of them bukakke pornos!"

It just says "POISON" on the tin and it contains something something cyanide.

So, no worries.

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


Carbon dioxide posted:

It just says "POISON" on the tin and it contains something something cyanide.

So, no worries.

Cyanate, very different from Cyanide.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Munin posted:

Cyanate, very different from Cyanide.

Don't be fooled, that's just the Australian pronunciation! :pseudo:

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Phanatic posted:

This is a really big deal. Works like that for medical alarms, too. Walk through an ICU or even most hospital rooms and alarms are going off everywhere all the time, and they get ignored. If they're ignorable, they shouldn't be alarms in the first place.

I am sure I watched a documentary about fighter jets that used the voices of the pilot's children as alarms. The idea being that the pilot would pay a lot more attention to them, rather than a computer voice.

I can;t find anything on the web that refers to that - perhaps it was a prototype?

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

G-III posted:

CSB just put up a new video on youtube. God I love these things:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbFzuS8Bdhw

These have gotten fancy. Just listen to that there soundtrack!

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

spog posted:

I am sure I watched a documentary about fighter jets that used the voices of the pilot's children as alarms. The idea being that the pilot would pay a lot more attention to them, rather than a computer voice.

I can;t find anything on the web that refers to that - perhaps it was a prototype?

Never heard that, but it's not a "computer voice" in the first place, it's usually an actual person's digitally recorded voice. And it's true that early human factors research indicated that pilots were more likely to hear and respond to a female voice rather than a male one, so female speakers have typically been used for the enunciated warnings.

That research, though, is from back in the days when pilots were almost exclusively men.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Phanatic posted:

Never heard that, but it's not a "computer voice" in the first place, it's usually an actual person's digitally recorded voice. And it's true that early human factors research indicated that pilots were more likely to hear and respond to a female voice rather than a male one, so female speakers have typically been used for the enunciated warnings.

That research, though, is from back in the days when pilots were almost exclusively men.

so... 2015?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Phanatic posted:

Never heard that, but it's not a "computer voice" in the first place, it's usually an actual person's digitally recorded voice. And it's true that early human factors research indicated that pilots were more likely to hear and respond to a female voice rather than a male one, so female speakers have typically been used for the enunciated warnings.

That research, though, is from back in the days when pilots were almost exclusively men.

Wikipedia posted:

"Early human factors research in aircraft and other domains indicated that female voices were more authoritative to male pilots and crew members and were more likely to get their attention. Much of this research was based on pilot experiences, particularly in combat situations, where the pilots were being guided by female air traffic controllers. They reported being able to most easily pick out the female voice from amid the flurry of radio chatter.

Kim Crow - Crow's was the first voice ever to be digitized. Pilots and astronauts know her as the original Bitching Betty."

RabbitWizard
Oct 21, 2008

Muldoon

Well, you know, once a woman starts nagging about something you better deal with it or it will go on forever :smug:

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot

Phanatic posted:

Never heard that, but it's not a "computer voice" in the first place, it's usually an actual person's digitally recorded voice. And it's true that early human factors research indicated that pilots were more likely to hear and respond to a female voice rather than a male one, so female speakers have typically been used for the enunciated warnings.

That research, though, is from back in the days when pilots were almost exclusively men.

I remember in different simulator situations hearing "DON'T SINK!", "DON'T FALL!", and of course "TERRAIN! PULL UP!". Wasn't sure about the difference between the sink and fall warning. (Unless I misheard it and it was saying "DON'T STALL").

Oh cool they have video files with all the different voice warnings!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNwd1qXt3RI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Z-d1Zx02o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw1VhTkg1ic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cnoAjFfkb0 <-- this is my favorite it's like something out of the late 70s

TERRAIN TERRAIN TERRAIN TERRAIN TERRAIN DESCEND DESCEND DESCEND DESCEND DESCEND DESCEND NOW Clear of conflict.

Three-Phase fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Oct 2, 2015

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Airbus' "RETARD, RETARD" when the autopilot sees 10ft AGL is my personal favorite. :v:

Also, a lot of those sorts of calls can be customized by the customer, and vary between individual airframes within a type. Some foreign carriers where English is a second language sometimes have call-outs that sound very odd to Americans.

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist

I've seen quite a few videos like this, and can't comprehend how it happens. Do people just get nervous and forget how to throw?

Spunky Junior Reporter!
Jul 27, 2011

Fun Shoe
actually, they're asian

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Orcs and Ostriches posted:

I've seen quite a few videos like this, and can't comprehend how it happens. Do people just get nervous and forget how to throw?

From all the ones I've seen, it seems to be the person releasing before they're supposed to. Instead of hurling the grenade over the wall, it just flops out of their hand and twirls to the ground.

chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Oct 2, 2015

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Some drat many of these.

















Unperson_47
Oct 14, 2007



At least the instructors (?) in those grenade tossing videos are in the place of mind to immediately yank the thrower into a hole with them.

Psychotic Weasel
Jun 24, 2004

Bang! You're dead.
It's really gotta suck when you're the one assigned to train people in this. Every job in the military comes with an inherent risk but I can't think of many things that involve teaching a newbie how to throw around explosives. Do they not first teach people proper throwing technique, or at least how to throw overhand, with dummy grenades/softballs/rocks? Maybe you'd want to get that down first before handing them something that'll blow your face off.

On the same topic, here's everyone's favourite soldier teaching us how not to fire a field gun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4sKSaEG4bg
I was always under the impression that you had one guy loading the gun and another guy who aimed and fired it. Neither of which stood directly behind the barrel of the gun.

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MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...


Throws like a girl.

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