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rejutka: May 28, 2004; by zen death robot

You were literally looking right at that ref, gently caress your TMO.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 17:24

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# ? May 15, 2024 17:11

Total Meatlove: Jan 28, 2007; Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;

What a turnaround that was

# ? Oct 1, 2015 17:57

goatface: Dec 5, 2007; I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.; Grimey Drawer

That was a lovely try, with some ugly passing in it.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 17:58

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

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Hello!

# ? Oct 1, 2015 17:58

DickEmery: Dec 5, 2004

Hey Wales, why don't you chuck it around like loving idiots against the chucking it around champions of the world.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:00

goatface: Dec 5, 2007; I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.; Grimey Drawer

That is a pretty great description of this half so far.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:07

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

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DickEmery posted:

Hey Wales, why don't you chuck it around like loving idiots against the chucking it around champions of the world.

And yet still not as tactically inept as England on Saturday

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:09

DON RAPER: Jan 1, 2011; Let me ask you something
what do women want?

England lost to this garbage Wales team ha ha

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:11

MyChemicalImbalance: Sep 15, 2007; Keep on smilin'

Wales are playing too loose they're letting Fiji right back into it

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:11

goatface: Dec 5, 2007; I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.; Grimey Drawer

Playing on the floor, blatant cheating.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:12

stavros880: May 2, 2005; I like monkeys

The welsh scrum is embarrassing today

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:14

goatface: Dec 5, 2007; I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.; Grimey Drawer

Not getting the bonus point would be funny enough.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:16

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

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Whelp, that's that for England

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:21

goatface: Dec 5, 2007; I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.; Grimey Drawer

A number 5 should not have hands that good.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:25

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

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Y'know the worst part about this? It clearly shows Fiji are a more than good enough side to make a total mockery of the overreactionary changes that Lancaster made going into the Wales game. England got four tries against these guys plus Matawalu and Nandolo but apparently that was so poor as to kick Ford to the kerb permanently.

gently caress Andy Farrell and Stuart Lancaster

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:26

stavros880: May 2, 2005; I like monkeys

Biggar limping off, priestland on

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:26

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

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The James Hook experience everyone

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:27

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

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How was that not holding on?

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:28

goatface: Dec 5, 2007; I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.; Grimey Drawer

If Wales have time to set their lines, they look ok. But whenever they don't, Fiji just do not give a gently caress.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:35

stavros880: May 2, 2005; I like monkeys

Just happy to get the win at the end there. Hope missing out on the bonus point doesn't come back to haunt us later.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:42

goatface: Dec 5, 2007; I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.; Grimey Drawer

Fiji probably deserved one tbh.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:44

DickEmery: Dec 5, 2004

Hook and Priestland come on and within 60 seconds show everyone why they weren't picked to start.
That was a lovely, tired performance from Wales but if you'd offered 13 points going into the Australia match then everyone would have taken it.

I hope Australia beat England because they're going to loving destroy Wales.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:45

The Clit Avoider: Aug 11, 2002; El Profesional

Hier kom...

Springboks - 15 Willie le Roux, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Handr� Pollard, 9 Fourie du Preez �, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Schalk Burger, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Adriaan Strauss, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Frans Malherbe, 19 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 20 Willem Alberts, 21 Ruan Pienaar, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Jan Serfontein.

Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Tommy Seymour, 13 Richie Vernon, 12 Matt Scott, 11 Tim Visser, 10 Duncan Weir, 9 Greg Laidlaw, 8 Dave Denton, 7 Blair Cowan, 6 Josh Strauss, 5 Johnny Gray, 4 Richie Gray, 3 Willem Nel, 2 Fraser Brown, 1 Gordon Reid.
Subs: 16 Ross Ford, 17 Alastair Dickinson, 18 Jon Welsh, 19 Tim Swinson, 20 Ryan Wilson, 21 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne, 22 Peter Horne, 23 Sean Lamont.

Christ.

This could be on-field murder.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 18:58

Plucky Brit: Nov 7, 2009; Swing low, sweet chariot

So Lancaster has picked Farrell again? Jesus Christ.

Not sure how England are going to beat Australia aside from illegal scrummaging and trying to grind out a win; Ford was the catalyst for every good piece of back line play in the last year.

If by some miracle England beat Australia Lancaster has got to try a combination of Slade and Joseph for the Uruguay game.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 19:03

bigfoot again: Apr 24, 2007

South Africa forced by injuries into playing their best 15

# ? Oct 1, 2015 19:04

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

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Plucky Brit posted:

So Lancaster has picked Farrell again? Jesus Christ.

This world cup has transformed my thoughts around Lancaster. He's loving idiot.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 19:05

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

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Delightfully catty jingoistic piece in the Times today

The Times of London posted:

Host nation angered by scrum propaganda after officials admit to errors
England are furious at what they perceive to be a campaign designed to undermine Joe Marler and create a �smokescreen� around the scrum before Saturday�s do-or-die World Cup showdown with Australia.
Bob Dwyer, the former Australia coach, has accused Marler of gaining an advantage by boring in on opponents. The England loose-head prop�s �illegal� technique has also been highlighted by Jonathan Kaplan, a former referee, and Australian bloggers, who have posted online a still image to illustrate Marler�s angle of attack.
England have a strong tradition of dominating Australia up front, most recently when they overpowered the Wallabies to win 26-17 last November. The squad is understood to view this furore as an attempt to influence the referee and compromise England�s power base.
Scrummaging experts have told The Times that the spider-cam images from the Wales game have been misinterpreted. They argue Marler is not cheating, as has been claimed, because neither he nor England could gain any advantage from his hips being out that wide.
England are anxious that the officials on Saturday night do not make the same mistake; they are particularly sensitive about refereeing interpretations after being informed by World Rugby that four crucial penalties in the 28-25 defeat by Wales, including one at a scrum, should not have been awarded against them.
However, the referee on Saturday night is Romain Poite, a Frenchman who is renowned as one of the best officials in the world at reading the balance of power in the scrum, and England are confident that he will not be swayed by the rumpus over Marler.

Why Saturday may be better
England�s crucial game against Australia will be refereed by Romain Poite, who has a reputation as the leading referee of the scrum. He took charge of the Lions� series-clinching 41-16 victory over Australia in Sydney in 2013 and penalised the Wallaby pack heavily. This will be his third match of the World Cup.
Romain Poite
Age 40
Nationality French
Internationals 43
England matches 7
England record W4 L3

�Graham Rowntree [the forwards coach] works hard to get the England packing straight and staying up. Why, when your hooker is trying to hook the ball, would your loose-head drive him away from it?� a source close to the England camp said.
�It is about cause and effect and Romain Poite is very good at reading those angles. He is a well-respected referee and England will have every confidence that he will not be influenced by all the propaganda flying around, which is designed to muddy the waters.�
Dwyer made similar comments about the Lions scrum, which was coached by Rowntree, during their victorious tour to Australia in 2013. On that occasion he said: �It�s not supposed to be a contest to see who can cheat the best but who can play the best.�
Poite took charge of the third international and punished the Wallabies� scrum heavily. Ben Alexander, the tight-head prop, was sent to the sin-bin after 24 minutes and he did not return as the Lions went on to clinch the series victory.
Australia�s defeat at Twickenham last November prompted Michael Cheika, who had just taken over as the Wallabies� head coach, to recruit Mario Ledesma to fix the set piece.
The former Argentina hooker has improved their scrum, with Australia now approaching it like England and the Pumas by keeping the ball in for longer, and their mauling game, which has been adopted from the Brumbies, the Super Rugby side.
Nevertheless, Ben Morgan, who was No 8 in that game last November, believes that England�s pack can open old wounds. �They will have doubts in their minds... and we want those demons to grow,� Morgan said.
The Marler situation is fascinating and complex because the laws of the game technically prevent a loose-head prop from driving in on the angle, and yet the job description requires them to do that if they are to get underneath the tight-head.
A tighter unit is much stronger and so if a loose-head kicks his hips wider, either through a technical flaw or as a reaction to what the opposition are doing, the power of the scrum is dissipated. That is why experts argue that Marler has no advantage.

The refereeing decisions that gifted Wales nine points
33:20
Dan Cole is penalised for losing his bind as the scrum went down, the first penalty Wales won in the set piece.
38.02
Mike Brown tackles Scott Williams and competes for the ball before a ruck had formed but is penalised. Dan Biggar kicks penalty goal. 16-9.
46:14
Tom Wood is penalised for not rolling away when Gethin Jenkins is lying on top of him. Biggar kicks penalty goal. 19-12.
72:53
Brown is not released by tackler but is penalised for holding on. Biggar lands match-winning kick. 25-28.

England dominated the Wales scrum but fell foul of J�r�me Garc�s, another French referee, at the breakdown. The senior players were criticised for not recognising what the referee wanted and changing their approach, although it is understood that they found the French official very hard to read.
That is backed up by the revelation that refereeing officials have conceded that England were wrongly penalised four times against Wales. The results of the feedback, which are not known for Wales, are compiled via an online system that involves contributions from match officials, the performance reviewer and each team.
The Times has studied the game and identified the four penalties, which resulted in nine points for Wales and included the moment when Mike Brown was called for holding on and Dan Biggar landed the kick from nearly 50 metres to secure the decisive lead.
It is important how England respond. Andy Farrell, the defence coach, has demanded that his players remain as committed as ever at the breakdown but not be too scared to compete because they cannot afford to give David Pocock and Michael Hooper, Australia�s turnover specialists, the freedom of Twickenham.
�Wales dealt with that part of the game at the end better than us,� Farrell said. �We�ve got to be whiter than white, accurate and not be timid because we�ve given a few penalties away.�

# ? Oct 1, 2015 19:09

The Clit Avoider: Aug 11, 2002; El Profesional

Roman Poite is one of the worst loving scrum refs on the planet (anyone who just goes with the "they look dominant" technique falls in here). Guess what, Garces is too.

I love this poo poo about the hooker trying to hook the ball. Nobody does that - they compact the opposite fucker's spine sideways and upwards and then move the whole mess any which way they like, while their halfback funnels the ball right back through his own pack. A referee like Poite sees that on your own scrum for the first few turns, and then sees you just turn the scrum (by literally driving laterally) on your opponents ball once or twice and he doesn't care (or know, for that matter) how you're doing it, you're "dominant" and it's penalty city.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 19:22

stavros880: May 2, 2005; I like monkeys

The Clit Avoider posted:

Roman Poite is one of the worst loving scrum refs on the planet (anyone who just goes with the "they look dominant" technique falls in here). Guess what, Garces is too.

I love this poo poo about the hooker trying to hook the ball. Nobody does that - they compact the opposite fucker's spine sideways and upwards and then move the whole mess any which way they like, while their halfback funnels the ball right back through his own pack. A referee like Poite sees that on your own scrum for the first few turns, and then sees you just turn the scrum (by literally driving laterally) on your opponents ball once or twice and he doesn't care (or know, for that matter) how you're doing it, you're "dominant" and it's penalty city.

This. Look at the 2nd and 3rd scrums in the Wales-England game. Marler just turns and drives straight across.
"Why, when your hooker is trying to hook the ball, would your loose-head drive him away from it?"
Because you get a penalty and a shot at 3 points. It's not loving rocket science.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 19:37

goatface: Dec 5, 2007; I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.; Grimey Drawer

This world cup there have been multiple, perfectly angled shots of scrums showing you clear through the tunnel, the ball never going into it, and the hooker's feet never moving away from his props.

Scrums are hosed. If they enforced the rules they have you'd see 12 months of collapsing before anyone trained up a hooker who can hook and a pack who can bind and set legally.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 19:40

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

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goatface posted:

This world cup there have been multiple, perfectly angled shots of scrums showing you clear through the tunnel, the ball never going into it, and the hooker's feet never moving away from his props.

Scrums are hosed. If they enforced the rules they have you'd see 12 months of collapsing before anyone trained up a hooker who can hook and a pack who can bind and set legally.

I still think they need to do that. There's very little point to them now.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 19:44