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MaxxBot posted:I'm sure the "ban all guns, kill all gun owners" rhetoric that pops up here after every shooting has absolutely nothing to do with that. Funny how well armed guys have such thin skin, isn't it?
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Can mods reopen the Gunthread and make talking about guns in any other thread a bannable offense? Asking for a friend.
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Like, at the end of the day, I'm absolutely sympathetic to the idea that gun ownership is not inherently harmful and to the position of gun owners, and I accept that most gun control efforts have real and serious flaws. At the same time, the end result of all of that is that we've chosen as a society to accept dead children rather than increased restrictions on guns, and that is insane.
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This shooting won't get tons of press because the name is loving impossible to pronounce.this_is_hard posted:Lmao if you don't know how to reload an AR15 by muscle memory, just lmao. What are D&D rules on empty quoting? Asking for a friend.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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chitoryu12 posted:Well, the other option is that a bunch of people who have a really bare understanding of how guns work and how they're used (assuming they aren't completely clueless) keep trying to make decisions about them. I have a Ph.D. in Online Firearm Discussion, AMA.
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pathetic little tramp posted:http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-news/foothill-high-school-on-lockdown Just to clarify, there is nothing in that report that says there was a actual shooting at either school but rather a altercation in a neighborhood near the schools led to gunfire and the the schools were put in lockdown.
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this_is_hard posted:Yes, a deep mechanical and tactical knowledge of guns are required before making any sort of judgement on their effects to American society. It's a MAGAZINE not a CLIP, retard. You are not allowed to have an opinion on guns.
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chitoryu12 posted:Well, the other option is that a bunch of people who have a really bare understanding of how guns work and how they're used (assuming they aren't completely clueless) keep trying to make decisions about them. Hi, I'm someone with a deep understanding of guns and the subject matter related to them. Gun control is good and needs to loving happen.
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MaxxBot posted:I'm sure the "ban all guns, kill all gun owners" rhetoric that pops up here after every shooting has absolutely nothing to do with that. The irony here is that gun owners are actually killing a lot of people yearly  Weekly, even!!
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Can mods reopen the Gunthread and make talking about guns in any other thread a bannable offense? Asking for a friend. My friend would also like to know this.
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A Bag of Milk posted:Significant in what way? Significant in making it impossible to talk about anything else in this thread for several days. No room here to talk about Trump declaring he'll kill off NAFTA for example.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Can mods reopen the Gunthread and make talking about guns in any other thread a bannable offense? Asking for a friend. Please. We all know what's going to happen here.
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We were arguing over whether Bernie might be closer to Hillary's cash on hand a few pages back, turns out yes, very close. She had close to a 90% burn rate over the summer and has $32 million on hand, Bernie has $26.5 million on hand. So actually a very small money advantage. Of course that doesn't include super PACs.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Significant in making it impossible to talk about anything else in this thread for several days. No room here to talk about Trump declaring he'll kill off NAFTA for example. Haha he really is Perot 2.0. greatn posted:We were arguing over whether Bernie might be closer to Hillary's cash on hand a few pages back, turns out yes, very close. She had close to a 90% burn rate over the summer and has $32 million on hand, Bernie has $26.5 million on hand. Gee, but are super PACs important?
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A Bag of Milk posted:Significant in what way? Multiple deaths instead of just 1 wounded like happened yesterday in South Dakota: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/30/south-dakota-principal-shot-wounded-students-safe
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chitoryu12 posted:Well, the other option is that a bunch of people who have a really bare understanding of how guns work and how they're used (assuming they aren't completely clueless) keep trying to make decisions about them. Climate change/global warming, vaccinations, racism, feminism
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chitoryu12 posted:Well, the other option is that a bunch of people who have a really bare understanding of how guns work and how they're used (assuming they aren't completely clueless) keep trying to make decisions about them. what decisions, there is nothing to decide because your side won and you gloat about it everytime a tragedy happens the posts you whine about are just pure catharsis at this point
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this_is_hard posted:
This is an understatement. I own guns, I know how to shoot guns. They don't consume every waking thought I have nor do I base my identity around them.
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Luigi Thirty posted:13 guns confiscated by Obummer's secret gun police? God drat it. Hahaha. How would we even confiscate all the guns.
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You don't have to know how to use a gun or have in depth knowledge of how they work, but it helps to at least have basic knowledge of different types of guns you want to ban. Otherwise you have things like "assault weapons" bans which literally means nothing, it's seriously based on cosmetic features rather then the functionality of the gun. I'd think people passionate about gun control would want to know that their legislation is essentially meaningless.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Significant in making it impossible to talk about anything else in this thread for several days. No room here to talk about Trump declaring he'll kill off NAFTA for example. Seems like a necessary component to his protectionism policy. He's only now coming out and saying it explicitly.
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MaxxBot posted:You don't have to know how to use a gun or have in depth knowledge of how they work, but it helps to at least have basic knowledge of different types of guns you want to ban. Otherwise you have things like "assault weapons" bans which literally means nothing, it's seriously based on cosmetic features rather then the functionality of the gun. I'd think people passionate about gun control would want to know that their legislation is essentially meaningless. Shoulder thing that goes up.  Pictured above: The last thing your children will ever see. Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Oct 1, 2015 |
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Lessail posted:Climate change/global warming, vaccinations, racism, feminism healthcare, education and policing too!
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MaxxBot posted:You don't have to know how to use a gun or have in depth knowledge of how they work, but it helps to at least have basic knowledge of different types of guns you want to ban. Otherwise you have things like "assault weapons" bans which literally means nothing, it's seriously based on cosmetic features rather then the functionality of the gun. I'd think people passionate about gun control would want to know that their legislation is essentially meaningless. It makes more sense when you realize they don't actually care about fixing the problem.
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It's going to be a bit rough to start the month with a serious mass shooting without letting people talk about it here to some extent. If it gets too crazy, we can just start mass probating people, seeing as mod control is so limited in SA.ComradeCosmobot posted:Significant in making it impossible to talk about anything else in this thread for several days. No room here to talk about Trump declaring he'll kill off NAFTA for example. Isn't that last month's news? He's sure to top it by Sunday, at the latest.
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MaxxBot posted:You don't have to know how to use a gun or have in depth knowledge of how they work, but it helps to at least have basic knowledge of different types of guns you want to ban. Otherwise you have things like "assault weapons" bans which literally means nothing, it's seriously based on cosmetic features rather then the functionality of the gun. I'd think people passionate about gun control would want to know that their legislation is essentially meaningless. I want to ban... every gun
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MaxxBot posted:You don't have to know how to use a gun or have in depth knowledge of how they work, but it helps to at least have basic knowledge of different types of guns you want to ban. Otherwise you have things like "assault weapons" bans which literally means nothing, it's seriously based on cosmetic features rather then the functionality of the gun. I'd think people passionate about gun control would want to know that their legislation is essentially meaningless. Okay, so what coherent, gun-knowledgeable ways are there to make it harder for people to murder 15 community college students
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personally i'm in favor of increasing gun ownership rates given that statistically gun owners are most dangerous to themselves, their family, and their friends in that order before they are dangerous to strangers. i don't know many people who own guns so i'm pretty safe
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Shoulder thing that goes up. This part, right? 
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MaxxBot posted:You don't have to know how to use a gun or have in depth knowledge of how they work, but it helps to at least have basic knowledge of different types of guns you want to ban. Otherwise you have things like "assault weapons" bans which literally means nothing, it's seriously based on cosmetic features rather then the functionality of the gun. I'd think people passionate about gun control would want to know that their legislation is essentially meaningless. The good thing about legislation is you get to define what exactly you mean when you use a term. The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, for example, defined assault weapons as semi-automatic firearms that had certain other features, based on the broad category of firearm (pistol, rifle, shotgun)
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Bob Ojeda posted:Okay, so what coherent, gun-knowledgeable ways are there to make it harder for people to murder 15 community college students I believe the NRA suggests: 1. More guns. 2. More NRA gun training, preferably in elementary school. 3. More people with guns.
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Bob Ojeda posted:Okay, so what coherent, gun-knowledgeable ways are there to make it harder for people to murder 15 community college students Obligatory Onion link.
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Zelder posted:I want to ban... If you don't know the weight (loaded and unloaded), tactical, and mechanical uses of every single type of gun you would like to ban you can just  I've spent the past decade going to the shooting range, attending gun shows, and buying guns. I'm a bit of an expert. *speeds off in his lifted truck* welp cya.
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zoux posted:Gee, but are super PACs important? Honestly I have no idea. You'd think so but there was a huge superpac advantage in 12 for Republicans which didn't seem to do anything and every liberal superpac I've seen has been pretty embarrassingly ineffectual.
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Bob Ojeda posted:Okay, so what coherent, gun-knowledgeable ways are there to make it harder for people to murder 15 community college students Two thing that would cost nothing and close a "loophole" people have been bitching about for like 25 years now.
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greatn posted:Honestly I have no idea. You'd think so but there was a huge superpac advantage in 12 for Republicans which didn't seem to do anything and every liberal superpac I've seen has been pretty embarrassingly ineffectual. Yeah I don't either tbh but I feel like they have to.
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chitoryu12 posted:I'll say what I said the last time: firearms is the only subject I've seen where the people who actually have a deep understanding of the subject matter are called crazy thugs if they try to participate. I don't think that is fair to say. I know people that grew up in rural America in communities where guns are viewed as tools for putting down hurt or dangerous animals and they are for stricter gun control. In fact, earlier today I was taking to someone about guns. He grew up on farm. He can clean a gun. He can fire a gun. He had to use them often enough growing up that he is a better shot than most. He's also afraid of guns because of all the accidents he remembers from his community. Hell, my dad grew up living hunting for food. His family was poor. It was their means of survival. He also hated guns. There are plenty of gun literate people that are troubled by our gun culture. This meme that people that support gun control just don't "get" guns is itself very silly.
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I suggest banning all guns except .22 Long Rifles which aren't lethal.
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Bob Ojeda posted:Okay, so what coherent, gun-knowledgeable ways are there to make it harder for people to murder 15 community college students Well the overwhelming majority of gun crime is done with handguns, almost none is done with "assault weapons," so if I were a gun control supporter I would start there. You'd also have to find a way to bring down the vast number of handguns out there already or else you wouldn't do much good.
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