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Branis posted:How do you propose seriously removing 300 million guns? It would be cheaper and more effective to fix mental health and a host of other social problems than to get rid of guns. Not to mention that as long as capitalism exists the people should never be disarmed. Round all the guns up, humanely.
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Trying to ban guns would be as effective as banning drugs.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:04
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Popular Thug Drink posted:in like every post you preach towards the uselessness of a CCW and the funny part is that i doubt you're even aware of what you're saying I'm pretty sure I was saying that it was blindingly obvious that concealed carry couldn't have an effect on crime, but it's possible I was really talking about hit Broadway musical Cats! Please forums superstar Popular Thug Drink, help me!
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Oct 1, 2015 23:05
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Branis posted:How do you propose seriously removing 300 million guns? Considering as most guns are owned by small numbers of hoarders, or are antiques/barely working old guns that someone's grandpa owned, it's pretty simple. Offer gun buybacks so someone can make a some quick cash on finally getting rid of some lunk of metal they never use, and raid the hoarders and you'll sweep out most of them quickly. After all those supposed 300 million guns are owned by less than 125 million people, possibly as low as 100 million people.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:06
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Branis posted:How do you propose seriously removing 300 million guns? It would be cheaper and more effective to fix mental health and a host of other social problems than to get rid of guns. Not to mention that as long as capitalism exists the people should never be disarmed. punch cards. turn in ten guns and you get a free coffee drink.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:06
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Pie charts are extremely my poo poo
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Oct 1, 2015 23:09
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Armyman25 posted:Trying to ban guns would be as effective as banning drugs. Why are there many countries with successful gun control and complete failure of drug control, and vice versa? Here are some of my ideas: Somebody who isn't going to use a gun isn't going to go through the hassle, someone who is going to use a gun will alert others to the fact that they have a firearm and get caught. Guns are much more likely to be caught when transported because it's harder to spread them around and hide them in ways that make it less than clear that they are guns or parts of a gun. The markup for drugs is insane, while even if you illegalized firearms the demand would be limited, since people don't need to constantly buy more and more guns to have guns, while drugs are a habit that constantly needs to be replenished. Shooting up and shooting are simply in no way comparable, and the pipelines look nothing alike.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:10
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You see everyone will simply forge their own guns in their homes with ample supplies of steel, just like you can grow some pot in a closet with a couple of lightbulbs as a lazy 16 year old.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:12
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Take a gun, leave a gun trays at all cash registers but "take a gun" is crossed out. Edit: lol if you haven't gotten through airport security with a balloon filled with guns shoved up your rear end.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:12
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BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:Take a gun, leave a gun trays at all cash registers but "take a gun" is crossed out. Why are you arming fast food places?
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Oct 1, 2015 23:13
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Spaceman Future! posted:yes, please post the numbers that indicate gun control increases violent crime. 
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Oct 1, 2015 23:14
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Confiscating all guns is easy. First you just need to pass a law that can't be challenged in court confiscating all guns.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:14
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Why are there many countries with successful gun control and complete failure of drug control, and vice versa? Here are some of my ideas: The real answer's probably demand, and a shifted definition of what counts as "control". If you want a gun, you can probably get one (it's not like mobsters in Germany are just stabbing people). Also I'm guessing your reference for successful gun control countries are Europe and some Anglosphere nations?
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Oct 1, 2015 23:15
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Numbers of guns go down but abortion rate goes up? drat we just can't win.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:15
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We have 35 days.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:17
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I want to hear more from the people who think it's even remotely realistic to round up all the guns. 
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Oct 1, 2015 23:17
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Oct 1, 2015 23:18
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:I want to hear more from the people who think it's even remotely realistic to round up all the guns. They won't have to. In the end the guns will come crawling to us.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:20
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Why are we taking about gun control during a mass shooting?
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Oct 1, 2015 23:21
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Nintendo Kid posted:After all those supposed 300 million guns are owned by less than 125 million people, possibly as low as 100 million people. 100-125 million people does not look much less daunting than 300 million.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:21
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:I want to hear more from the people who think it's even remotely realistic to round up all the guns. No gives a poo poo if a few are left lying around. Not to mention there's going to be tons that are still legal to own under even a very stringent gun control regime, like Australia has. You know they have more gun owners by proportion then 2 or 3 US states? Northjayhawk posted:100-125 million people does not look much less daunting than 300 million. Sure, if you're ignorant. The intent of the scare number of 300 million guns is to imply that nearly everyone has guns, when it's somewhere closer to 35 to 40%, and many of those aren't active gun users, just people who have an heirloom.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:21
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Actually, the NRA et al are trying to ban voluntary buy-back programs. Because you know, even just getting a single gun off the street when the owner wants to get rid of it is too much. http://www.salon.com/2013/01/15/nras_threats_over_gun_buyback_tied_to_alec_legislation/ quote:When an NRA official threatened legal action over the destruction of guns from a gun buyback event, he cited an Arizona law that sprung from a partnership between the NRA and the American Legislative Exchange Council, the conservative shop that pushes model legislation in state legislatures across the nation.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:27
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So is anyone watching Obama talking? Cause he's really laying it down. "Does ANYONE really believe that?"
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Branis posted:How do you propose seriously removing 300 million guns? A giant magnet. 
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Nintendo Kid posted:Sure, if you're ignorant. The intent of the scare number of 300 million guns is to imply that nearly everyone has guns, when it's somewhere closer to 35 to 40%, and many of those aren't active gun users, just people who have an heirloom. I don't think anyone on this forum seriously believes nearly everyone has a gun. 100-125 million is still a loving gigantic number of people.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:28
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pathetic little tramp posted:
What's this in response to Biden saying? Why does this guy have time to draft a letter to the VP instead of dealing with a mass shooting?
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Oct 1, 2015 23:29
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Obama asking news organizations to make list of Americans who have died from terrorist attacks and then compare it to a list of Americans who have died from gun violence, so that it won't be seen as biased information coming from him.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:29
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Northjayhawk posted:I don't think anyone on this forum seriously believes nearly everyone has a gun. 100-125 million is still a loving gigantic number of people. When you get into the statistics, the US has the largest number of guns per capita ahead leaps and bounds ahead of Serbia. But we still have the highest number of gun fatalities outside of a war zone. Just can't figure it out.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:30
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Absurd Alhazred posted:
Uhhhh I dunno about this one, how much of TFR do you read? Obama is killing it in this presser.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:31
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Northjayhawk posted:I don't think anyone on this forum seriously believes nearly everyone has a gun. 100-125 million is still a loving gigantic number of people. Not really, since many of them wouldn't really give a poo poo about giving up their guns, so long as they get paid. Basically the people who you'd really have to force a small fraction of that, especially when you take out all the people who would qualify to keep some or all of their guns under harsh Australia-like regulations - for instance, farmers.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:31
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There's also no real registry of guns so it would be next to impossible to track down the 100 million gun owners. "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."- Karl Marx
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FourLeaf posted:Obama asking news organizations to make list of Americans who have died from terrorist attacks and then compare it to a list of Americans who have died from gun violence, so that it won't be seen as biased information coming from him. Liberal Media! I knew it!
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SubponticatePoster posted:Make part of the gun buying process similar to what Republicans keep trying to do with abortion. First, you have to see pictures of victims of mass shootings and audio recordings of the screams of the dying. Then get something randomly shoved up your rear end - you must consent to this or else you're not allowed to purchase a firearm. Then after all that you still have to come back and speak with a counselor twice more with a waiting period of 48 hours in between sessions. Also regulate the stores that sell firearms down to the nails used in construction, make sure the seller has admitting privileges at a local hospital (in case something goes wrong), they can't be within 1000 ft of a school or church, and the name of everyone that buys a gun is posted in the local paper. Oh, and they have to recommend alternatives, like slingshots and paintball/airsoft. This is also a spectacular post, I will be using this. 
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Oct 1, 2015 23:32
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FourLeaf posted:Obama asking news organizations to make list of Americans who have died from terrorist attacks and then compare it to a list of Americans who have died from gun violence, so that it won't be seen as biased information coming from him. Instead it will be seen as biased information coming from the left-wing media!
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Branis posted:There's also no real registry of guns so it would be next to impossible to track down the 100 million gun owners. Other than the fact that gun owners love ranting on easily traced online forums and the like, and the fact the non-nuts would happily take their guns to a suitably enticing buyback.  Karl Marx was wrong about a ton of things, like his preferred theory of value, the so called oriental mode of production, and guns.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:35
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Nintendo Kid posted:Not really, since many of them wouldn't really give a poo poo about giving up their guns, so long as they get paid. I very strongly disagree with this, I'm not sure what part of the country you grew up in, but you may have a regional bias. If we're talking about abolition of all handguns in the country I think that is a very long, difficult 2 generation endeavor where people have to slowly grow up with a diminishing gun culture and a gradually increasing gun control culture, and perhaps in 50 years hardly anyone will care anymore. However, if a nationwide handgun confiscation was attempted anytime in the near future, I believe it is one of the only things that could break the Republic.
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Branis posted:How do you propose seriously removing 300 million guns? It would be cheaper and more effective to fix mental health and a host of other social problems than to get rid of guns. Not to mention that as long as capitalism exists the people should never be disarmed. I had an answer all typed up and accidentally lost it. However it boils down to: "I don't know the full answer." Nobody does. But to stick your fingers in your ears and go "LA LA LA GUN CONTROL IS NOT THE ANSWER LA LA LA" helps nothing. If you don't know what the solution is then you don't know what the solution is NOT either. I imagine, however, that it exists in several parts: Eliminating the form of capitalism as we know it or find a way to eliminate wealth disparity. I imagine both go hand in hand. Poverty begets desperation begets violence. Fix our mental health programs and de-stigmatize mental health problems. Eliminate the manufacture of guns for consumer use going forward and incentivize the voluntary return of guns. Make all existing guns non-transferable and unable to be passed on as a gift or inheritance upon the owners death. There's not short term solution... it's going to have to be a long term plan to slowly remove most existing guns. You can't just go round them up so you need to find a way for them to "die out" with their owners.
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Gravel Gravy posted:What's this in response to Biden saying? Look at the date on the letter
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zoux posted:Maybe if several thousand people died in a single shooting at NRA headquarters but apart from that, nah.
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There is over 300 million capitalists in America, you can't realistically expect to get rid of capitalism!
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