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Victims' names will not be released officially for 48 hours. Shooter's name will not be released for an indefinite period of time.
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Obama challenged the media to compare gun and terrorism deaths. So we did. Spoiler alert: Gun violence wins.
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Oct 2, 2015 00:57
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pathetic little tramp posted:Shooter's name will not be released for an indefinite period of time. Release it once the media has moved on. Deprive the killers of notoriety.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:00
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Armyman25 posted:Trying to ban guns would be as effective as banning drugs. How is that a counter argument? Making guns insanely expensive would go a vast way towards cutting down gun crime. If you have the money to buy a black market gun, you have enough money you aren't going to go and try and rob someone with it.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:01
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Fox Ironic posted:The shooter probably would have had a mental health intervention before they snapped? Or less economic stress would have allowed them to develop hobbies other than 4chan and killing people? Who was going to force the intervention? Are you aware that he was pretty well off? pathetic little tramp posted:Victims' names will not be released officially for 48 hours. Shooter's name will not be released for an indefinite period of time. Great way to ensure that internet trolls get to determine who to blame. Just like the Boston bombing!
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Oct 2, 2015 01:02
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Fried Chicken posted:How is that a counter argument? Making guns insanely expensive would go a vast way towards cutting down gun crime. If you have the money to buy a black market gun, you have enough money you aren't going to go and try and rob someone with it. Shhhhh, sh sh sh. Please don't engage with Armyman25. That caped lunatic is not someone who can be convinced. It's as futile as telling LeJackle that maybe everyone doesn't need to be strapped to the teeth 24/7.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:02
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Fried Chicken posted:How is that a counter argument? Making guns insanely expensive would go a vast way towards cutting down gun crime. If you have the money to buy a black market gun, you have enough money you aren't going to go and try and rob someone with it. He thinks it's a good argument because he, against all laws of nature, believes he's addicted to guns, and also that he can totally grow his own assault rifle with extended clip every summer, just like weed.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:03
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Nintendo Kid posted:Who was going to force the intervention? Are you aware that he was pretty well off?
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Oct 2, 2015 01:04
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Nintendo Kid posted:Great way to ensure that internet trolls get to determine who to blame. Just like the Boston bombing! And they are. They've already gotten major accounts to retweet pictures of completely innocent people, all while going on and on about "cucks" and whatever.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:05
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Fox Ironic posted:The shooter probably would have had a mental health intervention before they snapped? Or less economic stress would have allowed them to develop hobbies other than 4chan and killing people? Are you Bernie Sanders? Did you know some problems don't have an economic component as their major source?
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Oct 2, 2015 01:06
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Fried Chicken posted:How is that a counter argument? Making guns insanely expensive would go a vast way towards cutting down gun crime. If you have the money to buy a black market gun, you have enough money you aren't going to go and try and rob someone with it. The thing is, you can make guns for a couple bucks with stuff from the hardware store. They won't be as pretty, but they will be lethal.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:07
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LeJackal posted:The thing is, you can make guns for a couple bucks with stuff from the hardware store. They won't be as pretty, but they will be lethal. Yea and if you wanna get hosed up you can chug a bottle of tussin and chill, but that doesn't change the fact that heroin should probably stay illegal.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:09
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LeJackal posted:The thing is, you can make guns for a couple bucks with stuff from the hardware store. They won't be as pretty, but they will be lethal. Glad you admit that there's no need to sell real guns to the public anymore. Anyone who truly needs a gun can just build their own! I expect you'll be handing yours in too, as they're clearly obsolete.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:09
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea and if you wanna get hosed up you can chug a bottle of tussin and chill, but that doesn't change the fact that heroin should probably stay illegal. Yeah, the War on Drugs has just been peachy keen and awesome for everyone. It's not like it's an engine of misery and a tool of racist oppression or anything.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:12
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The only reason that people are outright talking about banning guns in this thread is that they reflectively know that gun control in no way correlates to a reduction in mass shootings, and would simply be insufficient.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:13
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Duke Igthorn posted:Raise wages and social services to ease the general tension being heaped onto every American by our corporate overlords. People are less likely to snap if they're relaxed/properly medicated. Millions of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck with one accident away from being destroyed and the pressure will not stop building. Stop that, stop the shootings. number of guns won't even factor into it.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:13
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Guns should be legal, but you should have to get shot first before you're allowed to use one, like they do with tasers sometimes.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:14
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A war on guns would be exactly like a war on drugs, they are just so similar. Everyone knows that once you use a gun it is gone and you need to buy more guns, plus guns are physically and mentally addictive and are an escape from reality for desperate and depressed people.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:15
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Stereotype posted:A war on guns would be exactly like a war on drugs, they are just so similar. Everyone knows that once you use a gun it is gone and you need to buy more guns, plus guns are physically and mentally addictive and are an escape from reality for desperate and depressed people. War on bullets maybe.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:15
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LeJackal posted:Yeah, the War on Drugs has just been peachy keen and awesome for everyone. It's not like it's an engine of misery and a tool of racist oppression or anything. Heroin shouldn't be legal apparently means I love all of the drug war, weird. Anyway I love how the things shift from 'well criminals don't follow laws soooo' to 'well you can't get rid of EVERY gun sooo' to now I guess 'you can just MAKE a gun sooo'. Like, guns aren't a naturally occurring thing, man, we're not talking about regulating hurricanes, these are physical objects that exist only to put metal in things (almost always living things) from long distance, it seems most other developed nations have some level of handle on them.
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Stereotype posted:A war on guns would be exactly like a war on drugs, they are just so similar. Everyone knows that once you use a gun it is gone and you need to buy more guns, plus guns are physically and mentally addictive and are an escape from reality for desperate and depressed people. Even at the moment they're no different given that both would be using the same agencies to fight them.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:16
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Heroin shouldn't be legal apparently means I love all of the drug war, weird. Yeah, El Salvador's strict gun laws are working so well.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:17
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GWBBQ posted:And if you want to reduce gun ownership in the long run, I suspect that this will also help diminish the attitude in American gun culture that being heavily armed is the only easy and quick way to empower yourself. American gun culture is an ever dwindling minority. It's not like we ever got American racist culture to stop hating the blacks, we just made it so people stopped being so willing to join in with racism culture.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:18
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Heroin shouldn't be legal apparently means I love all of the drug war, weird. did you know that some problems don't have a physical component as their major source?
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Oct 2, 2015 01:19
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Armyman25 posted:Yeah, El Salvador's strict gun laws are working so well. Yea I can't think of any other reason there'd be gun violence in El Salvador. It must be gun laws making it too hard for the Good Guys With Guns or something. Do you think we're in the same position as El Salvador? Man dude I know hating america is a D&D meme but you're taking it too far.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:19
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Are you Bernie Sanders? How do you explain Iceland, Finland, Germany, Norway and France? All have relatively high rates of gun ownership, but next to nothing in terms of gun violence.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:20
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Unless someone is going to find a good reason to use drug enforcement as a model for gun control or vice versa, I'm going to have to say that it's a distracting non sequitur, and you might want to stop using it as an argument in this discussion.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:20
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Ernie Muppari posted:did you know that some problems don't have a physical component as their major source? Poverty, drugs, violence, and crime are all pretty well leveled out amongst the lower classes- especially in how sentences are carried out. Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea I can't think of any other reason there'd be gun violence in El Salvador. It must be gun laws making it too hard for the Good Guys With Guns or something. This wouldn't be the first time the United States was compared to a banana republic.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:21
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Also like 60% of the guns in El Salvador were illegally brought there from the US, where their purchase was legally allowed because we have so few gun laws.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:21
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Armyman25 posted:Yeah, El Salvador's strict gun laws are working so well. I know we just had a mass shooting mate but the crime/murder rate in the US is way below El Salvador's!
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Oct 2, 2015 01:22
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Make all guns pink and have it be illegal to paint your gun. The problem is solved.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:23
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Stereotype posted:Also like 60% of the guns in El Salvador were illegally brought there from the US, where their purchase was legally allowed because we have so few gun laws. Dude I don't know what you mean. Guns magically vanish when you cross state or national borders, that's why you have the smug 'hah Illinois has strong gun laws so there' thing without having to mention that its neighbors do not, or why we blame all the gun problems in Mexico on the savage aztec horde.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:23
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awesmoe posted:It's cool to see the insane bloodlust of americans comes through even when ostensibly arguing ways to prevent school schootings. A second civil war to reduce violence! Do you even understand how violent our culture is? 14 year olds are regularly exposed to extreme violence and brutality in the mainstream media, but anything more risque than a pasty-covered nipple is relegated to the Incognito window. We loving love violence, seriously.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:24
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Swan Oat posted:I know we just had a mass shooting mate but the crime/murder rate in the US is way below El Salvador's! Good thing we know that properly implemented gun controls can stop gun related crime, but not mass shootings! Radbot posted:Do you even understand how violent our culture is? 14 year olds are regularly exposed to extreme violence and brutality in the mainstream media, but anything more risque than a pasty-covered nipple is relegated to the Incognito window. We loving love violence, seriously. This is probably closer to the truth.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:25
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Russia has fewer guns than the US, a lower population, stricter gun laws, and twice as many murders. I suppose that's the US's fault too.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:25
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Radbot posted:Do you even understand how violent our culture is? 14 year olds are regularly exposed to extreme violence and brutality in the mainstream media, but anything more risque than a pasty-covered nipple is relegated to the Incognito window. We loving love violence, seriously. Do you understand that this is also true all over the world with the violence being only slightly toned down and dem titties only a bit more exposed? Where the hell do you think a bunch of the media people watch in Europe and Australia comes from?
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Oct 2, 2015 01:26
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Armyman25 posted:Russia has fewer guns than the US, a lower population, stricter gun laws, and twice as many murders. No that's the fault of vodka and the depressing grayness of Russia itself.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:27
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See, if you only look at countries with terrible social problems and a history of political unrest, the United States looks great! Clearly gun control isn't the solution.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:31
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Radbot posted:Do you even understand how violent our culture is? 14 year olds are regularly exposed to extreme violence and brutality in the mainstream media, but anything more risque than a pasty-covered nipple is relegated to the Incognito window. We loving love violence, seriously. Some studies have made interesting suggestion that while violent media doesn't cause violent behavior, it does amazing things to shape how people think they're likely to be the targets of violence: a general subset of how media shapes people's concepts of risk. It goes a long way to explain why current and proposed laws related to guns, drugs, organized crime, and so on are heavily oriented toward how they work in movies and specifically high-profile news stories, as opposed to based in any sort of risk analysis or technical knowledge of the topics, and how it's been that way at least since machine guns and silencers became staples of early gangster movies, and movie marijuana made people violently flip out after wild hallucinations.
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So do we even know who the shooter is yet? is it the eggman looking dude? is it the neckbeard? is it some muslim guy like my one friend thinks it is?
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