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Dapper_Swindler posted:So do we even know who the shooter is yet? is it the eggman looking dude? is it the neckbeard? is it some muslim guy like my one friend thinks it is? This is honestly just as well. These mass shootings are usually a kind of suicide attempt, and it is well documented that reporting on suicide attempts encourages more suicide attempts. See, e.g., http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/suicide-prevention/recommendations-for-reporting-on-suicide.shtml
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LeJackal posted:Yeah, the War on Drugs has just been peachy keen and awesome for everyone. It's not like it's an engine of misery and a tool of racist oppression or anything. Take it from the guy who gets stoned on gun farts.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:39
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Thump! posted:Shhhhh, sh sh sh. Please don't engage with Armyman25. That caped lunatic is not someone who can be convinced. It's as futile as telling LeJackle that maybe everyone doesn't need to be strapped to the teeth 24/7. No this ignorant poo poo just pisses me off. I'm pro gun rights but why do the other assholes trying to defend it have to offer up such stupid as poo poo arguments?
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Oct 2, 2015 01:40
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:This is honestly just as well. These mass shootings are usually a kind of suicide attempt, and it is well documented that reporting on suicide attempts encourages more suicide attempts. Hasn't there been other research suggesting it's an increase in taking notice of suicide attempts, and there's not provably more of them? I.e. it's similar to the supposed drastic increase of autism sufferers.
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Armyman25 posted:Russia has fewer guns than the US, a lower population, stricter gun laws, and twice as many murders. actually it is hth
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Oct 2, 2015 01:40
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greatn posted:You are underselling this: 8 out of 10 of the counties with the highest minority voter registration percentage are not just losing a driver's license office, they will have NO drivers license office. Those six counties you mention with highest black percentage, NO OFFICE. No one believed me when I said that the whole gambling saga effectively turned Alabama into a one-party state by locking up and/or knocking out every Democrat politician worth electing. This is just the poo poo-covered cherry on top of the poo poo-frosted cake.
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Fried Chicken posted:No this ignorant poo poo just pisses me off. I'm pro gun rights but why do the other assholes trying to defend it have to offer up such stupid as poo poo arguments? Ok, what's your argument in favor of gun rights? What do you believe the US's gun laws should be?
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LeJackal posted:The thing is, you can make guns for a couple bucks with stuff from the hardware store. They won't be as pretty, but they will be lethal. You can grow/cook/brew your own drug of choice too. Funny how few people do it and the price stays high
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:This is honestly just as well. These mass shootings are usually a kind of suicide attempt, and it is well documented that reporting on suicide attempts encourages more suicide attempts. On the other hand thanks to the massively connected culture we have now not reporting this stuff leads to poo poo like in Boston where dudes just find a rando (spoiler: almost always some minority) and say 'oh this was it, let's hate him now' and the speculation and not knowing leads to witch hunts that almost always are used to justify bigotry. We already have people saying 'oh yea clearly this was a Muslim killing Christians' even with zero proof, the problem is that with those people doing it they're actively encouraging bigotry and sometimes even violence rather than just being nutballs now. Like, imagine if it was super easy for the McVeigh had a muslim buddy during the OKC bombings to be spread nationally.
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Tubesock Holocaust posted:No one believed me when I said that the whole gambling saga effectively turned Alabama into a one-party state by locking up and/or knocking out every Democrat politician worth electing. One party aside a Republican candidate who plays to the black population won't gain traction either. Who cares about the democrats you can't even elect an official who has republican values that can coincide with their black constituency.
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Armyman25 posted:What do you believe the US's gun laws should be? SubponticatePoster posted:Make part of the gun buying process similar to what Republicans keep trying to do with abortion. First, you have to see pictures of victims of mass shootings and audio recordings of the screams of the dying. Then get something randomly shoved up your rear end - you must consent to this or else you're not allowed to purchase a firearm. Then after all that you still have to come back and speak with a counselor twice more with a waiting period of 48 hours in between sessions. Also regulate the stores that sell firearms down to the nails used in construction, make sure the seller has admitting privileges at a local hospital (in case something goes wrong), they can't be within 1000 ft of a school or church, and the name of everyone that buys a gun is posted in the local paper. Oh, and they have to recommend alternatives, like slingshots and paintball/airsoft.
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Armyman25 posted:Ok, what's your argument in favor of gun rights? quote:What do you believe the US's gun laws should be?
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Fried Chicken posted:How is that a counter argument? Making guns insanely expensive would go a vast way towards cutting down gun crime. If you have the money to buy a black market gun, you have enough money you aren't going to go and try and rob someone with it. Actually, making guns expensive and hard to get a hold of incentivizes illegal gun manufacture. Right now there isn't a market for homemade firearms due to their easy and legal availability. If they are banned, it creates a market for people to start knocking together homemade guns and selling them to criminals. The same people who cook meth in rural areas, small towns, and trailer parks are smart enough to figure out how to start making homemade guns and selling them under the table. A law banning a thing doesn't make the thing go away. It didn't stop people from selling boot leg liquor, from selling illegal drugs, or from selling bootleg movies.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:48
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Armyman25 posted:Russia has fewer guns than the US, a lower population, stricter gun laws, and twice as many murders. Eurasians are alcoholics. Americans can smoke weed and responsibly handle firearms.
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Oct 2, 2015 01:48
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Armyman25 posted:Actually, making guns expensive and hard to get a hold of incentivizes illegal gun manufacture. Right now there isn't a market for homemade firearms due to their easy and legal availability. If they are banned, it creates a market for people to start knocking together homemade guns and selling them to criminals. The same people who cook meth in rural areas, small towns, and trailer parks are smart enough to figure out how to start making homemade guns and selling them under the table. I would be more than happy to fill our prisons with illegal gun manufacturers.
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Fried Chicken posted:"Second Amendment, gently caress off" Aircraft and automobile safety regulations are designed to keep the users safe and do a good job at that. Firearms are already very safe for the users and fall under the same liability laws in regard to hazards posed to their users. Unless you think that auto manufacturers should be on the hook for speeding tickets since they make cars than can go faster than 70 mph?
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Armyman25 posted:Actually, making guns expensive and hard to get a hold of incentivizes illegal gun manufacture. Right now there isn't a market for homemade firearms due to their easy and legal availability. If they are banned, it creates a market for people to start knocking together homemade guns and selling them to criminals. The same people who cook meth in rural areas, small towns, and trailer parks are smart enough to figure out how to start making homemade guns and selling them under the table. Homemade gun manufacturer blows self up makes for a hilarious headline.
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Nintendo Kid posted:I would be more than happy to fill our prisons with illegal gun manufacturers. So you're still in favor of locking up poor people wholesale?
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Armyman25 posted:So you're still in favor of locking up poor people wholesale? i am
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Armyman25 posted:So you're still in favor of locking up poor people wholesale? So do meth labs get a free pass then, or just zip guns?
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Guns can't be banned because I need my gun to protect myself from gungrabbers. That's the whole argument, right there. Smelting and milling a working gun is incredibly difficult, as seen in the fact that it doesn't a happen now with people who want full auto demonrat shooters but have to settle for knockoffs of Rambo's piece for ~3k. If guns were made illegal, criminals would have guns, which would make it much easier to separate violent criminals from average citizens.
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Armyman25 posted:Actually, making guns expensive and hard to get a hold of incentivizes illegal gun manufacture. Right now there isn't a market for homemade firearms due to their easy and legal availability. If they are banned, it creates a market for people to start knocking together homemade guns and selling them to criminals. The same people who cook meth in rural areas, small towns, and trailer parks are smart enough to figure out how to start making homemade guns and selling them under the table. A) it makes them extremely expensive, which is why the drug comparison is terrible B) unlike drugs guns are not a consumed good, nor do they generate compulsion to continue to consume, depressing demand for manufacturing and thus increasing scarcity and cost Making a gun cost an arm and a leg means they don't get used in the crimes because if you have the money you don't need to do the crime So if you are going to try "Actually..." Don't gently caress up Econ 101. Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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Armyman25 posted:So you're still in favor of locking up poor people wholesale? Ah yes all those poor people who manufacture guns on a large basis. Right. Well, they're probably poor in intelligence, I'll give you that!
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Armyman25 posted:Aircraft and automobile safety regulations are designed to keep the users safe and do a good job at that. Firearms are already very safe for the users and fall under the same liability laws in regard to hazards posed to their users. Unless you think that auto manufacturers should be on the hook for speeding tickets since they make cars than can go faster than 70 mph? Ok so you aren't even remotely arguing on good faith, got it Hint: the bulk of regulation on those are to protect the public sphere, not the user.
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We don't have to shove anything up anybody's rear end to make buying a gun emasculating. Just make the guns and ammo pink. All of them. Added bonus: guns now cheaper because of decreased demand.
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Heh, queers, am I right fellow progressives.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Heh, queers, am I right fellow progressives. i think the idea is that guns are totems of masculinity, and pink is not considered masculine, thus reducing the value of guns in signifying the owner's masculinity.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Heh, queers, am I right fellow progressives. By mocking gunhavers that are homophobes, you yourself have become a homophobe! It's spreading!
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Heh, queers, am I right fellow progressives.  Also I'm looking forward to Obama telling it like it is for the next 14 months.
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Guns, unlike many drugs, don't literally grow out of the soil. There's also a pretty big difference between motivation for purchasing them. Drugs are bought because they're fun. Guns would be bought to commit crimes. Everyone likes having fun. Most people aren't criminals.
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Kit Walker posted:Guns, unlike many drugs, don't literally grow out of the soil. There's also a pretty big difference between motivation for purchasing them. Drugs are bought because they're fun. Guns would be bought to commit crimes. Everyone likes having fun. Most people aren't criminals. everyone wants guns though, so if you make guns illegal? we're all criminals
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This is the brilliance of the anti-regulation "argument", you pretend hyperbole is the only reasonable discussion then use your own intransigence to dismiss reasonable discussion. It's either "they want to ban all guns" or "good luck getting mandatory background checks on private sales past the NRA."
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Fried Chicken posted:VW killing people by pumping out toxic gases. What would their founder think of this behavior? 
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You'd think that if guns were so clearly appealing, at least a majority of Americans would own guns, if not a supermajority.
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The shooter has been identified, 26yr old (not 20, as originally reported). Another account of the shooter had him asking if the student was christian -- if replied yes, he shot them in the head; if no, he wounded them. e: Not posting his name or picture but they are out there BetterToRuleInHell fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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The real answer to whether or not the community college was a gun free zone is: it doesn't loving matter because shooters do not loving target gun-free zones.quote:Perhaps the most glaring flaw in the argument against gun-free zones, in the context of mass shootings, is its underlying assumption that shooters are rational actors. Lott himself admits that about half of criminals who commit mass shootings have received a "formal diagnosis of mental illness," yet his model requires them to act precisely as we know they don't: as hyperrational, calculating machines, intentionally seeking out gun-free environments for the sole purpose of maximizing causalities. But if you want to get technical, it looks like it technically was a gun free zone. quote:The current policy of the State Board of Education states that people with concealed carry permits are allowed to bring their firearms on campuses, but are not into university buildings, which means a person can roam a campus with a concealed weapon, but if they want to go indoors, they must have somewhere (like the trunk of their car) to store their weapon. Umpqua Community College is not governed by the State Board of Education, but has a similar policy in place.
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Nintendo Kid posted:He thinks it's a good argument because he, against all laws of nature, believes he's addicted to guns, and also that he can totally grow his own assault rifle with extended clip every summer, just like weed. I don't allow extended clips or any other GM frankenguns on my land. organic firearms only
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Gunbunnies are always caught in the best type of pickle when they talk about wanting a social safety net, because they also refuse to vote for anyone in the only major party who gives a poo poo about funding social services since they caucus with Feinstein.
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Milk Malk posted:You asked for it. someone please freeze this post in carbonite so that it can be preserved for future generations for worst use of a pie chart since the invetiontions of pies, charts, statistics, logic, organized language, and the impetus of human consiousness this chart is a Reagan chart its that bad
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Spaceman Future! posted:someone please freeze this post in carbonite so that it can be preserved for future generations for worst use of a pie chart since the invetiontions of pies, charts, statistics, logic, organized language, and the impetus of human consiousness it's a joke graph from a gimmick poster, and also funny when people take it seriously
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