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Wheat Loaf posted:I enjoyed "The Doctor's Wife". I wasn't really familiar with Neil Gaiman at the time beyond recognising his name, but I've since read a couple of his books and I liked them a lot as well. Nightmare in Silver could have been good if not for the literally shoehorned children characters added because he was forced to add them. If it was purely just the Doctor versus the Cybermen and anything that connected to the children cut out and filled in with stuff to make the A and B plot better, it might have been one of the better episodes of that series.
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2house2fly posted:Literally shoehorned. (giant shoehorn left over from Planet of Giants)
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Oct 3, 2015 05:29
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AndyElusive posted:Other than The Doctor's Wife, what other agreed upon worthwhile episodes were there in Series 6? Am I forgetting some because I honestly can't think of many. The God Complex, maybe? Let's Kill Hitler? Let's Kill Hitler isn't so bad as long as you ignore everything before Mels turns into River. Well, everything except Rory. Rory is good.
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Oct 3, 2015 05:37
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Angela Christine posted:Let's Kill Hitler isn't so bad as long as you ignore everything before Mels turns into River. Well, everything except Rory. Rory is good. But those parts with Mels are so, so bad.
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Oct 3, 2015 06:00
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2house2fly posted:It didn't occur to me until now but yeah, tooling around in Davros's chair is very Matt Smith-esque silliness, with the speech about Who Will Dare Tell Me Clara Is Dead being very Matt Smith-eque suddenly going dead serious. It had kind of bugged me as well that they seem to be doing away with Twelve's dickier aspects, now he's all about hugging and compassion. I hope as the series goes on they bring back the character who helped a bunch of people escape from monsters and then as soon as they were safe said "bye" and peaced out Yeah this sums it up pretty well. Also this line was extremely Smith: quote:Have you seen the state of this place? I mean, this is exactly where you dump a smelly old uncle / family pet / genius scientist who couldn’t even invent legs.
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Oct 3, 2015 06:07
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Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon both look fantastic and have a lot of really amazing individual bits but just don't quite hold up as a whole, either as single episodes or a two-parter. The Doctor's Wife is great, The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People are too, Night Terrors was better than I remembered it being, The Girl Who Waited and The God Complex are both excellent, while the main "story" episodes like Good Man Goes to War, Let's Kill Hitler and Wedding of River Song have their strong points rather easily overshadowed by alot of pretty bad stuff - Let's Kill Hitler especially which looks pretty great and has some cool stuff in it, but holy poo poo is the bad stuff bad. Closing Time and Curse of the Black Spot are both kinda "eh", they don't really stand out in my memory at all.
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Oct 3, 2015 06:21
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Rhyno posted:But those parts with Mels are so, so bad. Agreed.
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Oct 3, 2015 06:27
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I actually liked Closing Time, it stands as honestly one of the better Cyberman episodes of the new series (which, yeah I know, doesn't say much). They aren't some monolithic force, marching their way into converting others and being a big scary army--not that I think there's anything wrong with that depiction of them necessarily, but very rarely do we get to see that smaller, more horror-focused part to them. They're just doing their own thing; uncompromising in doing so, they just keep chugging along, converting people because that's what they do. It could have done better to fit into the story and be properly affecting, admittedly. Closing Time matches The Lodger in more than just the presence of Craig: they're both the story of the Doctor busting into some random dude's life, and largely solving the problem in the background while most of the story focuses on interpersonal stuff, until we let both parts of the story crash through into each other at the end, letting one of them solve the other. The Cybermen don't manage to hold up their side of that; they do an admirable job, but they really don't get to sell the resolution. It could've worked if they pushed Craig's conversion a little harder, but as it stands it just doesn't really work.
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Jerusalem posted:Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon both look fantastic and have a lot of really amazing individual bits but just don't quite hold up as a whole, either as single episodes or a two-parter. The Doctor's Wife is great, The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People are too, Night Terrors was better than I remembered it being, The Girl Who Waited and The God Complex are both excellent, while the main "story" episodes like Good Man Goes to War, Let's Kill Hitler and Wedding of River Song have their strong points rather easily overshadowed by alot of pretty bad stuff - Let's Kill Hitler especially which looks pretty great and has some cool stuff in it, but holy poo poo is the bad stuff bad. Closing Time and Curse of the Black Spot are both kinda "eh", they don't really stand out in my memory at all. Welp, this has helped jog my memory on the quality of series 6 as a whole. Looks like I'll be doing some binge watching after tomorrows episode. Angela Christine posted:Let's Kill Hitler isn't so bad as long as you ignore everything before Mels turns into River. Well, everything except Rory. Rory is good. I never ignore Rory.
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TinTower posted:Just expanding this further: ska-ro ci-ty clap clap clapclap oh god you shot me I'm dead Also: quote:I'm here! You're here! Let's. EXTERMINAAAATE?!
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CaptainYesterday posted:(giant shoehorn left over from Planet of Giants) The kind with teeth?
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Oct 3, 2015 11:53
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The God Complex is great, as are all stories featuring Lord Nimon. 
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Trin Tragula posted:The kind with teeth? If you believe that somebody should beat you up.
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2house2fly posted:It didn't occur to me until now but yeah, tooling around in Davros's chair is very Matt Smith-esque silliness, with the speech about Who Will Dare Tell Me Clara Is Dead being very Matt Smith-eque suddenly going dead serious. I thought it was a generally Doctor-ish thing to do since he wasn't taking the situation seriously and irritated the enemies. It was better than the interminable scenes with Davros.
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And More posted:I was hoping it would convey that Gaiman doesn't play things completely straight. You could read that short story as just a funny bit of nonsense, or you could read it as a commentary on how men or specifically boys perceive women and sexuality. He superficially indulges in Freudian daydreams and wish-fulfillment, but it never feels quite right. I get that those stories had a deeper, non-literal meaning. The episode was about the relationship between the Doctor and the TARDIS, just as the story was about how lads perceive lasses, and both are about communication between the sexes, and so on et cetera. Maybe what I've not communicated is that the starting question, what if the relationship between the Doctor and the TARDIS is like a longstanding human-interpersonal relationship, just wasn't of interest to me at the time. Fundamentally, I wasn't buying what Gaiman was selling. Why would the relation between those two persons manifest itself in such a normal way? It seems like a dull place to take the exploration, even though I'll acknowledge that I can't think of anything that I would've preferred. I wasn't super keen on the (as I remember) twee or self-consciously quirky (not sure I can actually put a good name to it) style that the costume design, dialogue, and even the naming scheme of the secondary characters had. Maybe that put against it from the start, probably unfairly, I can't be certain. I still mean to rewatch it.
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Xelkelvos posted:Nightmare in Silver could have been good if not for the literally shoehorned children characters added because he was forced to add them. If it was purely just the Doctor versus the Cybermen and anything that connected to the children cut out and filled in with stuff to make the A and B plot better, it might have been one of the better episodes of that series. Perhaps so. What I've also heard is that Gaiman understood the kid characters would be included, but he thought they'd have been the Victorian kids from "The Snowmen" for whom Clara had been governess.
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Yeah, he wrote the episode back when Victorian Clara was still the companion, so her kids made slightly more sense. So Nightmare was a rush rewrite, along with the script getting hacked to pieces anyway in production. IIRC, Gaiman wasn't pleased at all with the finished product.
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Stabbatical posted:I wasn't super keen on the (as I remember) twee or self-consciously quirky (not sure I can actually put a good name to it) style that the costume design, dialogue, and even the naming scheme of the secondary characters had. Maybe that put against it from the start, probably unfairly, I can't be certain. I still mean to rewatch it. I'd like to think that Gaiman does a beautiful job of justifiying every aspect of the episode. From the odd family to the makeshift, ancient look of the characters' outfits, everything ties into the overarching themes of relationships, family and home. When you get around to rewatching it, I'd love to hear what you thought. Wheat Loaf posted:Perhaps so. What I've also heard is that Gaiman understood the kid characters would be included, but he thought they'd have been the Victorian kids from "The Snowmen" for whom Clara had been governess. It's really strange that they keep bringing back children as recurring characters. First it's those two kids, then it's Courtney Woods for series 8. Maybe they'll have more luck with confirmed talented actress Maisie Williams.
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And More posted:It's really strange that they keep bringing back children as recurring characters. First it's those two kids, then it's Courtney Woods for series 8. Maybe they'll have more luck with confirmed talented actress Maisie Williams. They should have more recurring child characters...then have Moffat pull an Earthshock  I wish there was a bit more variety in companions, to be honest. An alien, or someone from the future or past - something other than a 21st century twentysomething Earthgirl.
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Escobarbarian posted:How come the companion was changed from Victorian Clara, anyway? I *THINK* it was to make her more relatable. Which is a dumb reason. I think that was the reason given though.
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Pesky Splinter posted:I wish there was a bit more variety in companions, to be honest. An alien, or someone from the future or past - something other than a 21st century twentysomething Earthgirl. Now, at the 21st century, we have the knowledge and power to recreate Kamelion
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Kikka posted:Now, at the 21st century, we have the knowledge and power to recreate Kamelion Oh God why would we ever do that I don't want Moffat to die
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Kikka posted:Now, at the 21st century, we have the knowledge and power to recreate Kamelion wiki posted:Later, Kamelion and the TARDIS had a child together, which was raised by the Sixth Doctor and Peri Brown. It developed into a double of Peri and took her place on Earth while the real Peri travelled with the Doctor. Doctor Who is weird.
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And More posted:Doctor Who is weird. Robonipples.  Just to add to the weird factor.
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And More posted:It's really strange that they keep bringing back children as recurring characters. First it's those two kids, then it's Courtney Woods for series 8. Maybe they'll have more luck with confirmed talented actress Maisie Williams. Doctor Who is kind of a show for all ages, so I don't really understand why it's strange to include children as characters in a show about the adventures of a mad man with a blue box.
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AndyElusive posted:Doctor Who is kind of a show for all ages, so I don't really understand why it's strange to include children as characters in a show about the adventures of a mad man with a blue box. Because and this is important Children do not want to see children on TV. They don't. They really don't.
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AndyElusive posted:Doctor Who is kind of a show for all ages, so I don't really understand why it's strange to include children as characters in a show about the adventures of a mad man with a blue box. It is hard to find a skilled actor who is also a child. It's possible for a child to be a good actor, but mostly children are busy learning how to be human rather than perfecting the craft of theatre. Nobody wants to watch a bad actor, regardless of age.
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Interesting start at least, even if the (don't call it a spaceship) spaceship looked like something out of the early days of Star Trek: TNG.
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That is the stupidest possible way to control a submarine.
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I didn't realize this was a 2-parter  Edit: Kind of an odd episode, I kept feeling like there was something more going on and it was going to come to the fore at any point, and it moved at a good enough pace that I wasn't really aware of the time and didn't realize it was a 2-parter right up until it ended (there's something going on with the deaf lady refusing to let her translator into the ship). Like The Magician's Apprentice I think I won't really be able to get a read on this until the 2nd part has aired, and hopefully it doesn't feel as detached from its first part as The Witch's Familiar did. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Oct 3, 2015 |
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Jerusalem posted:I didn't realize this was a 2-parter I seem to recall that most of this season is 2-parters? Pretty good episode, getting Waters of Mars flashbacks though.
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Ha, as soon as they said "a new ghost" there was only one person it could be. Episode overall felt a bit light, but family kept distracting me so I only got the bare bones of the plot anyway; see how it feels on a rewatch later.
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I enjoyed it - it felt a lot like a Tom Baker type episode to me. For some reason it made me think of "The Ark In Space"? Or maybe even one of the old Troughton base-under-siege stories?
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 That was so much better than the last episode; everything felt pretty tight - I know it's a typical base-under-siege type story, but it's told extremely well.Also I like Capaldi being more arsey. Arsey irritable Capaldi is the best Capaldi. Wheat Loaf posted:I enjoyed it - it felt a lot like a Tom Baker type episode to me. For some reason it made me think of "The Ark In Space"? Yeah, agreed, it had that old Who sorta vibe to it.
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That was an okay episode. The ghosts looked spooky enough, but apart from that I didnt see anything about it to really love or really hate. Not a massive fan of travelling back in time during the episode to get a resolution, but it depends how the resolution comes off, as with most stuff. So yeah, a decent enough if unremarkable episode.Acne Rain posted:The Tardis at least since the beginning of the revival onwards has been shown to be alive and intelligent (maybe in the classic too idk) 2) That living machine has If I remember right the second story of the classic series at least implies that the TARDIS was capable of independent thoughts and actions.
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Liked that psychic paper making Doctor just be himself considering the context of the people in the base. Hah.
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SiKboy posted:If I remember right the second story of the classic series at least implies that the TARDIS was capable of independent thoughts and actions. Yep (well, it was the third story), in fact we had basically this same conversation in the previous thread and while some people disagree as to what he meant by it, I was always struck by Ian proclaiming the TARDIS felt "alive" in the very first episode of the show. Teek posted:Liked that psychic paper making Doctor just be himself considering the context of the people in the base. Hah. "You're from UNIT!" ".....if that's what it says!"
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