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As a David Bowie fan, for all this game's references, there is disappointingly little David Bowie music. I think it's time I finally use the PC custom music feature... So, I've seen a few people in this thread mention Big Boss' "decline" and rejection of the Boss' dream as happening in Peace Walker. My memory of Peace Walker isn't great, but are there specific moments/events that motivate the transition from a (seemingly) confused and down Big Boss at the end of Snake Eater, to the "I am a gun"/turning a loyal soldier into a memetic clone/gimme dat nuke of 70s/80s egotist Big Boss? I guess my question is, I understand what he's doing and the immediate reasoning, but I'm unclear about what the catalyst in Peace Walker was. Was it that to fight for Amanda and the Sandanistas he had no tools except being a soldier? And in building MSF to fight Coldman he drew Cipher's attention, and then Motherbase and Outer Heaven and everything that follows is doubling down to protect himself and fight off Cipher? Like his ideology forming as a direct response to Cipher in Peace Walker?
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On the subject of PF/FOB stuff: I've invaded a few people and never seen a defender. I had never been attacked until earlier today (or late last night) and was weirdly unable to retaliate at all. I could see the guy's name right there on the event list telling me he'd come in and stolen/killed some of my guys and... that was it? No option to get payback, no revengeance, nothing.
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Oct 3, 2015 08:44
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Yeah Bro posted:That's fair. Maybe it's a function of being lower on the EP ladder, but I am yet to find FOB's with worthwhile staff, so my only concern has been EP and making more GMP than deployment. I know invaders do GMP damage, but I don't know if that's equal to the reward plus facilities damaged, or just facilities. My theory is that people will gladly take the 10 men (and the extra EP by taking a high Staff Rank Bonus guy through the empty FOB). But they're 10 crappy men I can replace by mindlessly sending out dispatch teams. I'm at the point now where my Security Team is actually really good and quite valuable, where my Medical Team is mostly not that important. So I'd rather lose 10 Medical shitbags every 18-24 hours than 15-25+ Security guys (plus 10 of whatever platform the guy hits, if no one shows up to defend it). A very clever person might realize this is a trick and choose to infiltrate my better platforms, but they'll have to beat the idiot who sees an empty defenseless strut and can't invade it fast enough. Colapops posted:On the subject of PF/FOB stuff: I've invaded a few people and never seen a defender. I had never been attacked until earlier today (or late last night) and was weirdly unable to retaliate at all. I could see the guy's name right there on the event list telling me he'd come in and stolen/killed some of my guys and... that was it? No option to get payback, no revengeance, nothing.
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Oct 3, 2015 08:47
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Colapops posted:On the subject of PF/FOB stuff: I've invaded a few people and never seen a defender. I had never been attacked until earlier today (or late last night) and was weirdly unable to retaliate at all. I could see the guy's name right there on the event list telling me he'd come in and stolen/killed some of my guys and... that was it? No option to get payback, no revengeance, nothing. If you're on ps4 or Xbox then you need the paid online service to actively defend. Though by the sounds of it you were offline during the invasion. You can retaliate by going right on the invasion menu and there is a separate list of people who have invaded you and the amount they stole. If the guy didn't trigger a combat alert, then you are SOL and won't be able to retaliate. Ed: Nakar, that's a fair point, and I'd probably be one of those folks grinding your med platform for easy EP, but it'll definitely minimize your losses. Yeah Bro fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Oct 3, 2015 |
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Oct 3, 2015 08:48
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Alright, I've wormholed in. Guess I'll put some gas mines at the fob target before hunting this invader down. *triggers own gas mines* *is kidnapped by invader while sleeping*
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Oct 3, 2015 08:53
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SynthOrange posted:Alright, I've wormholed in. Guess I'll put some gas mines at the fob target before hunting this invader down. I had a similar experience with D-Mines. (I don't remember if posted this in this thread or the other thread) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApbJ4VY_ce8
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Oct 3, 2015 08:54
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Yeah Bro posted:Ed: Nakar, that's a fair point, and I'd probably be one of those folks grinding your med platform for easy EP, but it'll definitely minimize your losses.
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Oct 3, 2015 08:56
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As a defender make sure to put mines where guards won't go, since they can trigger them.
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Oct 3, 2015 08:56
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RatHat posted:As a defender make sure to put mines where guards won't go, since they can trigger them.
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Oct 3, 2015 08:58
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Stairmaster posted:he probably just killed everyone still impressive for am 80 year old man who spent the last 15 years in a coma
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Oct 3, 2015 09:22
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the wildest rear end posted:still impressive for am 80 year old man who spent the last 15 years in a coma NOTE: Statement not verified for accuracy.
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Oct 3, 2015 09:26
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43: Shining Lights, Even In Death was amazing. But gently caress Huey man. Even with the rawest poo poo happening to the Diamond Dogs he tries to leverage it to protect himself. "They were loyal to you... I'M loyal to you!" Or whatever he says. gently caress yooouuuu
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Oct 3, 2015 10:56
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I actually failed that mission almost immediately. They tell you to put the infected out of their misery, so I did. [MISSION FAILED] Gotta wait until Kaz tells you to... oops?
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Oct 3, 2015 11:26
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Colapops posted:I actually failed that mission almost immediately. They tell you to put the infected out of their misery, so I did. Yeah, had that happen to me too. Apparently I was already too much of a demon.
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Oct 3, 2015 11:42
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Do you get any more major tapes after the Truth Records? For beating the rest of the extreme missions or anything?
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Oct 3, 2015 13:57
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No, they're the last ones.
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Oct 3, 2015 14:00
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Hocus Pocus posted:As a David Bowie fan, for all this game's references, there is disappointingly little David Bowie music. I think it's time I finally use the PC custom music feature... The direct catalyst was The Boss's AI choosing to drown itself in the name of peace. Snake interpreted that as putting down her gun, which he saw as betrayal to her life as a soldier; betrayal to him as she was abandoning him in the end.
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Oct 3, 2015 14:10
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https://www.reddit.com/r/NeverBeGameOver/comments/3nbfwn/datamine_tppdefinelua_lot_of_interesting/ Datamining shows there were 62 missions in total with 22 missions being harder versions. So i think we have like 8 harder mssions that either got cut or being saved for chapter 3 if it ever gets unlocked. Also turns out the nuke cutscene is waiting for info from some online server and it seems to be at least 3 different checks.
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Oct 3, 2015 14:46
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Colapops posted:I actually failed that mission almost immediately. They tell you to put the infected out of their misery, so I did. yeah, that was really annoying. As soon as the mission starts it says kill anyone showing signs of infection. I come across the first dude acting weird and clutching his throat. *Pop*. "BAWSS WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!" *MISSION FAILED*
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Oct 3, 2015 18:08
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The intro for the mission is so misleading. We get video feed of two scientists reviving as zombies and attacking the rescue team, but once in there, nobody acts like a zombie at all!
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Oct 3, 2015 18:16
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"They're trying to get to the surface! Except all these guys who aren't, for whatever reason, and are perfectly in control of themselves."
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Oct 3, 2015 18:18
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So why didn't they just get Mantis to possess Rex?
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Oct 3, 2015 18:34
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Ekusukariba posted:So why didn't they just get Mantis to possess Rex? Aside from the fact that Snake had shot him to death?
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Oct 3, 2015 18:41
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Yeah Bro posted:Aside from the fact that Snake had shot him to death? No, before Snake even showed up. Why not have Mantis pilot REX from the word go instead of trying to get access codes from Sigint and Baker.
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Oct 3, 2015 18:43
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Yeah Bro posted:Aside from the fact that Snake had shot him to death? Yeah, and Mantis was also key in brainwashing most of the Genome soldiers into following Liquid, too. They mention after his death it's harder to keep the men in line. Liquid REALLY needed Mantis a lot more than Mantis needed him. I guess the only reason Mantis hangs around Liquid is he gives him a direction in life.
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Oct 3, 2015 18:44
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I think it was something about kids being better psychics because they are a mental blank slate.
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Oct 3, 2015 18:45
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ChaosArgate posted:No, before Snake even showed up. Why not have Mantis pilot REX from the word go instead of trying to get access codes from Sigint and Baker. Because Metal Gear Solid 1 came out first and the stuff in Phantom Pain is a retcon
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Oct 3, 2015 18:47
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Maybe even though Pyscho Mantis can control a Metal Gear, his control isn't fine enought to bypass nuclear launch codes? Also, it's kind of inconsistant that we call Liquid Snake "Liquid" for short and Pycho Mantis "Mantis" for short. They both have the same naming scheme, it's just that Pycho is a much worse nickname... Found on reddit: Huey Did Nothing Wrong 
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Oct 3, 2015 18:51
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Mantis has a weird brain but finding out the firing solution for an intercontinental bullet is probably best left to a computer.
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Oct 3, 2015 18:52
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there's also like 20 other guys named Snake so maybe Liquid just didn't want to confuse the genome soldiers
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Oct 3, 2015 18:55
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I'm pretty sure Mantis was controlling the Metal Gear like a puppet rather than just making it work randomly. It was functional enough to have swords and poo poo but needed psychic help to move. Rex was fine it just couldn't shoot its nuke and you can't really puppet around that.
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Oct 3, 2015 18:57
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Snak posted:Found on reddit: reading this just makes me wish i could kill huey more than i already did fuq u huey
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Oct 3, 2015 19:00
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Snak posted:Maybe even though Pyscho Mantis can control a Metal Gear, his control isn't fine enought to bypass nuclear launch codes? A large chunk of those replies are people who didn't get the joke.
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Oct 3, 2015 19:01
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Aurain posted:A large chunk of those replies are people who didn't get the joke. I did not look at the replies at all. Why would I do that. The Stangelove and Hal part is so funny.
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Oct 3, 2015 19:02
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Snak posted:Found on reddit: That's clearly from 4chan! Am I the only sane man here?! Seriously though you don't have to tell us that you took content from reddit that they took from 4chan
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Oct 3, 2015 19:05
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yeah I don't know why i do that. I mostly just afraid someone is going to yell at me and be like "you don't need to post stuff that's on the front page of /r/metalgearsolid because we've all already seen it." So it was like, disclaimer or something. I don't know.
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Oct 3, 2015 19:08
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"D-Horse is a donkey" made me laugh more than it should have.
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Oct 3, 2015 19:12
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Snak posted:I did not look at the replies at all. Why would I do that. I mean the ones on /v/ were, who cares about reddit at all? It's remarkable how slow they can be.
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Oct 3, 2015 19:14
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Huey is really one of the better pathological liars I've seen in a game story. The performance really knocks it out of the park too, stumbling all over statements and pathetically reinforcing the things suggested to him. You can tell Ocelot is just standing there going "Uh-huh. Really."
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Nakar posted:Huey is really one of the better pathological liars I've seen in a game story. The performance really knocks it out of the park too, stumbling all over statements and pathetically reinforcing the things suggested to him. You can tell Ocelot is just standing there going "Uh-huh. Really." I'm a little disappointed he does call out the bullshit "Strangelove locked herself inside and you can't open it from the outside!" *two seconds later* "When i opened it she had already died!"
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