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Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

Hadlock posted:

What do the other people do? Generally you can stuff even a 17" laptop into a backpack as carry on.

Generally you don't do unpressurized cargo for long trips, unless you're secretly ferrying fighter jets back and forth across the northern Atlantic. So more than likely all your cargo isn't going to turn in to one giant ice cube in a 6 hour flight. Maybe I'm mistaken.

I regularly pack my x230 the unpressurized cargo area of a commuter jet, but I don't think they crack 16,000ft between Austin and Dallas.

I think he is taking something not so common, he mentioned a very high ceiling, as well as specifically saying the cargo area would not be pressurized.

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slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

It's pretty obvious dude is not flying commercial. My 17.3" takes the entire bottom of my weekend suitcase which is airline carry on size but it does comfortably fit.

Azram Legion
Jan 23, 2005

Drunken Poet Glory
First of all, thanks for the wealth of information in the OP.

I ordered a Thinkpad Yoga 15 a few days ago, after reading reviews (and the recommendations in the OP), and I've been looking forward to working on it. However, when I was shopping for a pen for it, I realized that only a few Yoga 15s support active pens, none support passive wacom pens, and I have no way of knowing which kind I ordered from my receipt. I have an entirely passive pen - an Adonit Jot Pro - that should still work, but that obviously doesn't do pressure sensitivity at all. Not the end of the world, but it made me reconsider what I thought was an obvious choice of laptop for me.

So, looks I'll be talking with support on monday to clear this up, and potentially cancelling my order. If I do cancel it, are there any particularly good choices for a 2-1 laptop with high-end hardware, a 15 inch screen, pen support and a good track record? Or should I forget that particular dream and just enjoy the Yoga with my completely passive pen?

Edit: I'm in Denmark, if that matters for anything.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
Convertibles that large don't make a lot of sense for most people so you're going to have to take what you can get

Azram Legion
Jan 23, 2005

Drunken Poet Glory
I'm more after the hardware that comes with a bigger size laptop than the increase in screen size, honestly. I'd be fine with a 13 or 14 inch convertible, if I can get stuff like a an i5/i7 processor, a reasonable graphics card and 16 GB RAM, and I can use a proper pressure sensitive pen with it. Do you have any suggestions of which brands to research?

Edit: Actually, strike that, I should probably just get a Yoga 14 instead, if I can't get the 15 with active pen support. I'll miss the extra 8 GB of RAM occassionally, but I'll miss a proper pen all the time.

Azram Legion fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Oct 2, 2015

Cousin Todd
Jul 3, 2007
Grimey Drawer
So, I get that it's cheaper to buy a machine with a hdd and add a ssd yourself, or so I've heard.. but are there any particular brands that are relatively easy to do that? Every laptop I've ever owned was a pain in the rear end to open, having to take a dozen parts off to get to the drives and ram...

Tsyni
Sep 1, 2004
Lipstick Apathy

Kharmakazy posted:

So, I get that it's cheaper to buy a machine with a hdd and add a ssd yourself, or so I've heard.. but are there any particular brands that are relatively easy to do that? Every laptop I've ever owned was a pain in the rear end to open, having to take a dozen parts off to get to the drives and ram...

Thinkpads are generally very easy to upgrade those two parts.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

The HP Spectre X360 has a digitizer option, not sure which kind though.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Tsyni posted:

Thinkpads are generally very easy to upgrade those two parts.

Well, maybe they don't sell phillips head screwdrivers where he lives, or maybe he was born without thumbs? Have you thought of that you monster? It would take him at least 15 minutes if he had to use his toes to open up a Thinkpad.

Cousin Todd
Jul 3, 2007
Grimey Drawer

Hadlock posted:

Well, maybe they don't sell phillips head screwdrivers where he lives, or maybe he was born without thumbs? Have you thought of that you monster? It would take him at least 15 minutes if he had to use his toes to open up a Thinkpad.

I have to remove my keyboard and 2 ribbon cables to LOOK at my hdd.

89
Feb 24, 2006

#worldchamps
Going back to school in the spring. Which laptop should I get? I already have a desktop, so just need something great for note taking that is reliable.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

89 posted:

Going back to school in the spring. Which laptop should I get? I already have a desktop, so just need something great for note taking that is reliable.

I'm quite happy with my Surface Pro 3, but it's pricey. What is your budget?

MagusDraco
Nov 11, 2011

even speedwagon was trolled
Current Dell XPS 13 1080p is good and still has a battery that lasts forever if that's in your budget (It's probably worth it to get the 256 GB SSD version)

B-Mac
Apr 21, 2003
I'll never catch "the gay"!
Obligatory ASUS UX305 core M or i5 version if you don't need a stylus.

89
Feb 24, 2006

#worldchamps

Skandranon posted:

I'm quite happy with my Surface Pro 3, but it's pricey. What is your budget?

Under $1000. Cheaper the better. I'm thinking having a touchscreen/stylus will really help out. Buuuuut....I guess paper works for that stuff, too.

This is just for note taking and very general use. My desktop at home is pretty bad rear end that I watch all of my media, do my heavy work, and play games on.

89 fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Oct 4, 2015

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Writing on a laptop with a touchscreen is bad. You don't want to do that. You can type faster than you can write anyway, can't you?

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me
The Surface Pro 3 is the smallest x86 13" laptop you could get. Typing on it with the keyboard attachment is quite doable. If you truly need nothing but typing, you could get the i3/4gb model for under 1000.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
<img alt="" border="0" src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-auron.jpg"/><br/>Drunken Robot Rage

89 posted:

Under $1000. Cheaper the better. I'm thinking having a touchscreen/stylus will really help out. Buuuuut....I guess paper works for that stuff, too.

This is just for note taking and very general use. My desktop at home is pretty bad rear end that I watch all of my media, do my heavy work, and play games on.

You sound like a fine candidate for the Asus UX305. $600 at the Microsoft store for the signature bloat free edition.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



How easy is it to upload to the cloud with a Chromebook? For a computer illiterate person.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

22 Eargesplitten posted:

How easy is it to upload to the cloud with a Chromebook? For a computer illiterate person.

What are you uploading? It's pretty dead simple, if a little tedious to keep your files organized.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Okay, so there's something built in? I've never used one, but I'm inclined to recommend one to my dad's girlfriend. All she's really going to use it for is web browsing anyway, and I figure it's still relatively new enough that she'll have a harder time getting it loaded up with viruses.

...Right?

E: Maybe I'll stop by a best buy or something and see if they've got a demo chromebook.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness
If by "built in" you mean that most of the Chromebook apps automatically assume you're using Google Drive and default to storing things there, then yes, it is built in. Actually dealing with files locally, in fact, requires you download an app because there's no native way to do so (Google really doesn't want you to store actual files on a Chromebook--just the OS and some apps).

It is harder to get viruses/hacked/whatever on a Chromebook. That's not to say you're invulnerable, since stupid people are always coming up with new ways to get suckered (phishing, 401 scams, etc), but it does cut down on a lot of the most common vectors, yeah--it's pretty hard to end up with random uncontrollable porn popups, for example.

Just make sure you buy a model with 4GB of RAM. The 2GB models generally aren't much cheaper, and they perform a LOT worse.

Spoke Lee
Dec 31, 2004

chairizard lol
Anyone have experience with the extended warranty + accident coverage on newegg? I'm getting a new main computer for the next few years. I'm going to be using it for audio production and gaming. I have been looking at these 2 msi's:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152940&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=PPSSSCPAZZUWFU-_-34-152-940-_-Product
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152935&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=PPSSSCPAZZUWFU-_-34-152-935-_-Product

Having trouble weighing the display, size and weight of the gs60 vs the extra power and connections of the gt72. How is the build quality on these?

I keep getting tempted by the Alienware warranty cause I can get them to my house in a day or two and I like the build and battery life. Just the price premium and the less powerful gpu turn me off. If the warranty on newegg is comparable I could write them off. Anyone know where they do the repairs? I live in NJ and usually get anything from them next/2nd day with the slowest shipping since the have warehouses here.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Spoke Lee posted:

Anyone have experience with the extended warranty + accident coverage on newegg? I'm getting a new main computer for the next few years. I'm going to be using it for audio production and gaming. I have been looking at these 2 msi's:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152940&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=PPSSSCPAZZUWFU-_-34-152-940-_-Product
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152935&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=PPSSSCPAZZUWFU-_-34-152-935-_-Product

Having trouble weighing the display, size and weight of the gs60 vs the extra power and connections of the gt72. How is the build quality on these?

I keep getting tempted by the Alienware warranty cause I can get them to my house in a day or two and I like the build and battery life. Just the price premium and the less powerful gpu turn me off. If the warranty on newegg is comparable I could write them off. Anyone know where they do the repairs? I live in NJ and usually get anything from them next/2nd day with the slowest shipping since the have warehouses here.
I love warranties because I destroy laptops. I'm on my third Y50, which makes, oh, a dozen or so calls to tech support? I have the worst luck with laptops and wouldn't dream of getting one without an extended warranty. Ideally with onsite repair, but that's tricky if you're not getting a computer from a major vendor.

Anyways I'd go for the smaller gs60 vs that 17 inch behemoth. A 970m is a spectacular card and even if it's not quite as ridiculous it certainly comes close. It's a no brainer for me, especially when you add other considerations like the display onto it as well.

In any event though I can't answe your question about build quality, but vis a vis power? Getting the top top end chip is seldom a smart endeavour, and a 970m will last you the 3-4 years before you'll be wanting a new computer anyways.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

The Iron Rose posted:

I love warranties because I destroy laptops. I'm on my third Y50, which makes, oh, a dozen or so calls to tech support? I have the worst luck with laptops and wouldn't dream of getting one without an extended warranty. Ideally with onsite repair, but that's tricky if you're not getting a computer from a major vendor.

On the flip side, a lot of people buy warranties and never use them. Companies wouldn't offer them unless the vast majority of users never claimed them.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I've used Applecare on every Mac I've owned in the last 10 years. The iMac always breaks. Always.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Hadlock posted:

On the flip side, a lot of people buy warranties and never use them. Companies wouldn't offer them unless the vast majority of users never claimed them.

Oh no doubt. Still, you know you best, and if you don't treat your laptop as you would a newborn child (and don't have a think pad) I'd spring for one.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

DrDork posted:

Actually dealing with files locally, in fact, requires you download an app because there's no native way to do so
The "Files" app that comes with Chrome OS is a local file browser. It also integrates with cloud services, specifically including Google Drive out of the box. But the "Downloads" folder is local, it's exactly like Chrome for other platforms that way.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Spoke Lee posted:

Anyone have experience with the extended warranty + accident coverage on newegg? I'm getting a new main computer for the next few years. I'm going to be using it for audio production and gaming. I have been looking at these 2 msi's:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152940&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=PPSSSCPAZZUWFU-_-34-152-940-_-Product
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152935&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=PPSSSCPAZZUWFU-_-34-152-935-_-Product

Having trouble weighing the display, size and weight of the gs60 vs the extra power and connections of the gt72. How is the build quality on these?

I keep getting tempted by the Alienware warranty cause I can get them to my house in a day or two and I like the build and battery life. Just the price premium and the less powerful gpu turn me off. If the warranty on newegg is comparable I could write them off. Anyone know where they do the repairs? I live in NJ and usually get anything from them next/2nd day with the slowest shipping since the have warehouses here.
As a general rule, unless an item has an absolute known terrible failure rate (think Xbox360) never buy an extended warranty. They are simply a cash-cow for the reseller and a way to increase profit because:

Hadlock posted:

On the flip side, a lot of people buy warranties and never use them. Companies wouldn't offer them unless the vast majority of users never claimed them.
That's the truth. Save the money you would have spent on extended warranties and guaranteed you would come out ahead.

That said, I am a first time MSI/GT72 owner and I am very happy with the build quality of the unit.. although truth be told I don't have a ton of experience with laptops other than cheapo Acers or Emachines.

MSI seems to be on the ball too with fairly active forums and respond to inquiries/questions directly. When that weird Broadwell bug came to light recently they had a BIOS update by the end of September to fix it.

You have a bit of a weird selection there though and I'd reverse it. If you are just going to use the built in 1080p in the Dominator I would look for a 970M based unit and save some cash. However if you want the 4K go with the 980 in that. Personally I bought a fairly basic 970M with just an included 1TB HDD 8GB RAM, and upgraded the RAM and SSD myself. It was cheap and dead-nuts simple to do.

pezzie
Apr 11, 2003

everytime someone says a seasonal anime is GOAT

Just watch the best anime ever
Eh, I'd say a laptop is a different use case than the XBox 360 or something like that. A console can sit under your TV for years pretty stationary. If you're the type of person slinging your laptop along with you every day, getting in and out of crowded trains or elevators, bumping into all kinds of things, then yeah it could be worth it to consider an extended warranty. I mean, I personally never buy them myself because I don't bring my laptop out with me 5 days a week, but if you're rough with your gear or if you've got a rough commute and carry it around often enough, something's probably gonna give sooner or later. Especially if you don't get a business branded laptop.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



I've never bought a laptop for an old person before. Obviously it's going to vary person to person, but do people with worsening eyesight tend to have problems with 1080p 15.6" screens? I'm trying to figure out whether I should be looking for something 1600*900 or possibly even 1388x768.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

arisu posted:

Eh, I'd say a laptop is a different use case than the XBox 360 or something like that. A console can sit under your TV for years pretty stationary. If you're the type of person slinging your laptop along with you every day, getting in and out of crowded trains or elevators, bumping into all kinds of things, then yeah it could be worth it to consider an extended warranty. I mean, I personally never buy them myself because I don't bring my laptop out with me 5 days a week, but if you're rough with your gear or if you've got a rough commute and carry it around often enough, something's probably gonna give sooner or later. Especially if you don't get a business branded laptop.

The reason he mentioned the XBox360 was because it had a KNOWN high rate of failure, regardless of whether you were bumping into people while carrying it or it sat under your TV for 50 years. WHY it fails doesn't matter, just the actual odds of you needing to use the warranty.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.

22 Eargesplitten posted:

I've never bought a laptop for an old person before. Obviously it's going to vary person to person, but do people with worsening eyesight tend to have problems with 1080p 15.6" screens? I'm trying to figure out whether I should be looking for something 1600*900 or possibly even 1388x768.

DPI scaling has gotten better, and 15.6" isn't that tiny. Show them how to increase DPI scaling both in browser and in Windows, and they shouldn't have any problems.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Skandranon posted:

The reason he mentioned the XBox360 was because it had a KNOWN high rate of failure, regardless of whether you were bumping into people while carrying it or it sat under your TV for 50 years. WHY it fails doesn't matter, just the actual odds of you needing to use the warranty.

Yeah, that's the angle I was taking. Thanks.

I suppose if you know for a fact you're going to beat the crap out of your laptop so hard it'll very likely suffer a premature death AND be covered by your extended warranty, maybe it might have merit.

Personally, I just don't treat my electronics that hard way so :shrug:

Spoke Lee
Dec 31, 2004

chairizard lol
I will be carrying it on the back of a wheelchair and I don't trust myself to not crash into something or have someone else drop it over the next 4 years.

So I've ruled out the heavier ones and have it down to either:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152939&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=PPSSSCPAZZUWFU-_-34-152-939-_-Product

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152940&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=PPSSSCPAZZUWFU-_-34-152-940-_-Product

I like the larger screen and extra usb ports of the 70 but the 60 has 3 extra gigs of vram, and 4k screen.

Philip Rivers
Mar 15, 2010

Uhh what exactly do you expect your old friend to be doing with that computer, because I'd probably just recommend a Chromebook for an older person unless they're tech savvy.

I've only had a Chromebook for the last two years and I honestly love the thing, and if you've ever used a Chromebook exclusively for any amount of time it really does highlight just how little day-to-day stuff you do outside of a browser anymore. If I didn't have a need to run computational/scientific software, there would be absolutely no reason I'd need anything more, and you can even set up a chroot if you need to do more complicated things like light coding (or in my experience, run Mathematica very slowly). Chromebooks own.

Philip Rivers fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Oct 4, 2015

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Assuming that was for me, I am looking at a Chromebook. Probably the Acer C910 for the larger screen.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

22 Eargesplitten posted:

Assuming that was for me, I am looking at a Chromebook. Probably the Acer C910 for the larger screen.
1366x768 is pretty awfully low resolution, I'd probably go with the 1920x1080 model. The larger screen will help, but Chrome itself is fairly resolution independent--you can set the font zoom per page or across the whole system, and that should be sufficient for someone with poorer eyesight.

Relentlessboredomm
Oct 15, 2006

It's Sic Semper Tyrannis. You said, "Ever faithful terrible lizard."
Any word on when the XPS 13 is getting the update to the Skylake processors? I was going to grab one but I'm in no hurry so if its in the next few months I'll wait.

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Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Liliputing seems to think real soon

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