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Darth Walrus posted:... that's not a fascist utopia? Fascists want a unified nation-state for all the Volk (and, of course, only the Volk  ). I'm talking about something more like Afghanistan or the Congo. Lord Humongous is a petty bandit king, not a Führer, his domain is tiny and his authority personal, and he's constantly in danger from neighboring bandit kings from without and usurpers from within.
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For those curious in how these folks want the world to look, a wonderful documentary entitled A Boy and His Dog starring a pre-Miami Vice Don Johnson was filmed in 1975, based on the original journal article by Harlan Ellison. It's out of copyright for whatever reason, so enjoy it on You Tube for free. Don't watch it at work, obviously.
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Woolie Wool posted:Fascists want a unified nation-state for all the Volk (and, of course, only the Volk Afghanistan and the Congo were never modern states, though. For a collapsed United States, I'm imagining something that more resembles parts of the Balkans during the early 90's, which features both local warlords and ethnic conflict.
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Meanwhile conservatives wonder why people who followed their ideals want to deport them at every turn.
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Hopefully Canada and the UK will step in and take over and win the War of 1812 and then Vietnam can send a peacekeeping force of bombers and gunships and everyone can call it even.
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divabot posted:Dear Mr Land, please just stop talking.
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Cardboard Box A posted:I am now enlightened Someone being a raving lunatic who thinks marital rape is a feminist lie by people who deserve to have acid burns on their face is NO REASON to not respect their totally grounded views on an evil cabal controlling SF. I mean duh.
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Heresiarch posted:Afghanistan and the Congo were never modern states, though. For a collapsed United States, I'm imagining something that more resembles parts of the Balkans during the early 90's, which features both local warlords and ethnic conflict. I'll give you the Congo but Afghanistan in the 70's was a pretty nice place to be until we started loving around.
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divabot posted:Dear Mr Land, please just stop talking. It's a shame he's horrible now, because that Awl article linked unthread (http://www.theawl.com/2015/09/good-luck-to-human-kind) made his early career sound awesome, and another article it linked to that I can't find credits him with inspiring both dub step and vaporwave (since k-punk was one of his students). His ideas about nihilsm and accelerationism fit with poetic/futurist ideas I thought I came up with about earth destroying itself through climate change and nuclear war. It's probably not healthy for me to like his early work or want to track it down.
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Wesley's pretty pissed off over dirty commie prog William Gibson, but his reasons aren't very clear. Here's him frothing at the mouth over Gibson's supposed cultural marxism: http://severnayazemlya.tumblr.com/post/130423216628/untiltheseashallfreethem-a-couple-of-weeks-ago The whole thread is moronic and Scott is the only smart voice in there.
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Merdifex posted:Wesley's pretty pissed off over dirty commie prog William Gibson, but his reasons aren't very clear. Here's him frothing at the mouth over Gibson's supposed cultural marxism: Progs are occupying freak spaces so hard, they went back in time to found them before freaks could.
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Count Chocula posted:It's a shame he's horrible now, because that Awl article linked unthread (http://www.theawl.com/2015/09/good-luck-to-human-kind) made his early career sound awesome, and another article it linked to that I can't find credits him with inspiring both dub step and vaporwave (since k-punk was one of his students). His ideas about nihilsm and accelerationism fit with poetic/futurist ideas I thought I came up with about earth destroying itself through climate change and nuclear war. Nick Land was always horrible, for exactly the reason you just pointed out: the guy gets off on the idea of humanity destroying itself through nuclear war, or getting eaten by robots, or whatever.
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We're all going to die anyway. Even in the wildest dreams of transhuman singularity cults eventually entropy kicks in and the Sun swallows the Earth and the universe collapses. Isn't it better that Earth dies by its own hand, from nuclear war or climate change, from an excess of human technological ingenuity rather than by the cold mechananized processes of the universe? This line of thought has got me labeled an 'acellerationist', and I'm self-aware enough to realize it may be a remenent of depression. But early Nick Land sounds like some kind of extreme Dadaist philosopher/theorist. And I like interesting ideas, whether they are practical or not. According to another article Land considers his pre-NRX personality a 'different person', so it's clear he had some kind of mental break. Here's the article: http://divus.cc/london/en/article/nick-land-ein-experiment-im-inhumanismus quote:Perhaps as a result of this maximally broad conception of ‘philosophy,’ of my fellow students of the time only a few now hold academic positions (and usually in precariously marginal positions, or at art schools rather than in philosophy departments). On the other hand, I can count among them novelists (Hari Kunzru, James Flint), musicians (Kode9, one of the progenitors of ‘dubstep’), and writers such as Mark Fisher (blogger ‘K-Punk,’ author of Capitalist Realism).4 Others have sought out Land from afar, like Iranian writer Reza Negarestani, who tracked him down on the web and began a long-running online conversation which led to the writing of the extraordinary book Cyclonopedia.5 I think I saw that last book constantly cited in the insane Transformers exegis thread in Cinema Discussio. At the very least, Land sounds like a starting point for a deep dive through the fringes of academia and art. Count Chocula has a new favorite as of 01:57 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Count Chocula posted:We're all going to die anyway. Even in the wildest dreams of transhuman singularity cults eventually entropy kicks in and the Sun swallows the Earth and the universe collapses. Isn't it better that Earth dies by its own hand, from nuclear war or climate change, from an excess of human technological ingenuity rather than by the cold mechananized processes of the universe? Nihilism is boring. Even if nothing matters, we owe it to ourselves to have fun while we're here. If you don't want to be here, stop. Taking the rest of us with you is cowardly, and sure it doesn't matter because nothing does, but it's still a dick move.
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Merdifex posted:Wesley's pretty pissed off over dirty commie prog William Gibson, but his reasons aren't very clear. Here's him frothing at the mouth over Gibson's supposed cultural marxism: This is a person who would read about Josef Virek in Count Zero and think of him as somebody to emulate.
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Count Chocula posted:We're all going to die anyway. Even in the wildest dreams of transhuman singularity cults eventually entropy kicks in and the Sun swallows the Earth and the universe collapses. Isn't it better that Earth dies by its own hand, from nuclear war or climate change, from an excess of human technological ingenuity rather than by the cold mechananized processes of the universe?
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Peztopiary posted:Nihilism is boring. Even if nothing matters, we owe it to ourselves to have fun while we're here. If you don't want to be here, stop. Taking the rest of us with you is cowardly, and sure it doesn't matter because nothing does, but it's still a dick move. Nihilism is a word that means "A belief that a thing I, personally, consider necessary for a livable life, is nonexistent or unimportant".
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Nihilism is a word that means "A belief that a thing I, personally, consider necessary for a livable life, is nonexistent or unimportant". It was invented by Germans to complain about people believing you couldn't prove God's existence.
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Peztopiary posted:Nihilism is boring. Even if nothing matters, we owe it to ourselves to have fun while we're here. If you don't want to be here, stop. Taking the rest of us with you is cowardly, and sure it doesn't matter because nothing does, but it's still a dick move. Half of being a nihilist is the whole 'eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die' thing, but it also means acknowledging the utter pointlessness of everything. If humanity destroys itself through technological progress it will at least put some kind of exclamation point on our existence as a species. Count Chocula has a new favorite as of 03:00 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Count Chocula posted:Half of being a nihilist is the whole 'eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die' thing, but it also means acknowledging the utter pointlessness of everything. If humanity destroys itself through technological progress it will at least put some kind of exclamation point on our existence as a species.
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Count Chocula posted:Half of being a nihilist is the whole 'eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die' thing, but it also means acknowledging the utter pointlessness of everything. If humanity destroys itself through technological progress it will at least put some kind of exclamation point on our existence as a species. The Vosgian Beast posted:Nihilism is a word that means "A belief that a thing I, personally, consider necessary for a livable life, is nonexistent or unimportant".
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Count Chocula posted:If humanity destroys itself through technological progress it will at least put some kind of exclamation point on our existence as a species. Nah
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The human race destroys itself in a grand theatrical orgy of violence while dipshit philosophy students jack themselves off in their death throes. 2 million years later, the newly evolved race of intelligent amphibious octopuses that dominate the earth discover humanity's ruined legacy and posit the question: "How loving stupid were these guys?"
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Count Chocula posted:We're all going to die anyway. Even in the wildest dreams of transhuman singularity cults eventually entropy kicks in and the Sun swallows the Earth and the universe collapses. Count Chocula posted:Isn't it better that Earth dies by its own hand, from nuclear war or climate change, from an excess of human technological ingenuity rather than by the cold mechananized processes of the universe?
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Merdifex posted:Wesley's pretty pissed off over dirty commie prog William Gibson, but his reasons aren't very clear. Here's him frothing at the mouth over Gibson's supposed cultural marxism: yeah, i thought "Wesley, I already answered this one and I know you read it." Had to do that again recently. also, VNV's aesthetic is techno-art-deco, while the lyrics are as close to Christian Rock as industrial gets without actually mentioning Jesus. (seriously, you can change like three or four words in a typical VNV song, e.g. "Perpetual", and you could sing them in the happy-clappier variety of Sunday service.) [of course there's all the swords and honour and wars pushing those totally-not-Nazi buttons on Praise The Fallen but Ronan seems to have worked out that was a bad idea for what he's doing] Count Chocula posted:According to another article Land considers his pre-NRX personality a 'different person', so it's clear he took WAAAAAAY too many drugs with his pounding techno. ftfy ps: everyone, nobody in the world actually cares about the details of Land's incoherent babbling, they just like he's given them an excuse to type like fash.
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divabot posted:ftfy Wesley does, to be sure. I mean, it's all nonsense typed out by a continental tweaked out on uppers, but he does have an audience. I have no idea exactly what Wesley or other NRx seriously take away from Land, but the few ideas of Land's that people do seem to take seriously, like the whole IQ-shredder thing, are garbage on the empirical side of things, and with a modicum of inquiry they all fall apart. And there's that dysgenics thing which Land has no evidence for save a thesis by a German conservative which Land touts as if it were gospel. Merdifex has a new favorite as of 13:42 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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If you think what happened to Ahmed Mohammed was wrong, you support childrape
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This is apparently "Clockgate" now.
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"ClockGate" has been a thing on Twitter for a while now, even Dawkins got into the act. It's vile garbage but we knew that already.
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I am Rationalist who only reads reliable, non mindkilled news periodicals, such as The Daily Caller
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Is this where I go to talk about how my best friend, who is incredibly smart, thinks democracy is stupid and should be replaced by an authoritarian meritocracy?
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blue squares posted:Is this where I go to talk about how my best friend, who is incredibly smart, thinks democracy is stupid and should be replaced by an authoritarian meritocracy? Is he an engineer or an IT guy?
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Is he an engineer or an IT guy? He's a philosophy and rhetoric guy. He loves the ancient Romans and some Greeks
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blue squares posted:He's a philosophy and rhetoric guy. He loves the ancient Romans and some Greeks By any chance, does he go by Rottweiler on the internet ever?
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The Vosgian Beast posted:By any chance, does he go by Rottweiler on the internet ever? I have no idea, but I really really doubt it.
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blue squares posted:Is this where I go to talk about how my best friend, who is incredibly smart, thinks democracy is stupid and should be replaced by an authoritarian meritocracy? I'm wondering what your metric for "incredibly smart" is.
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