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In tyol 2015 who wants to hire someone with a hairy pubic area? e: also the negros
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Joe Gillian posted:It's because the article is true. Also, Ortwin Freyermuth founded CIG with Chris Roberts, so his partiality in all of this is icing on the cake. please stop there's too much icing
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Oct 4, 2015 09:21
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Every guest at CitizenCon will receive a complimentary "I funded the lawsuit!" T-shirt Also awaiting Hulk Hogan being announced as the keynote speaker
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Oct 4, 2015 09:21
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quote:Corporate at Defy Media asked us to delay publication of this letter while investigating, but we feel strongly that the record needs to be set straight without further delay. Also is this under UK law or US law? They're using one firm from each country. UK libel laws are notorious for having a chilling effect where people are so trigger happy for libel suits, that many don't want to speak out against anyone out of fear of costly cases. For instance much of Jimmy Saville's actions were well known over the years but people feared that he would sue them into oblivion. However Defy Media is based in the states and most if not all cross country libel suits have failed owning to a stronger freedom of speech in America. And there are procedures in place to stop against "libel tourism". Even if it is settled in the states, Roberts would still have to prove that everything written by the Escapist and in part their ex-employees was completely untrue.
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Also good job at publishing a letter with Keefers personal email in the header. He's gonna get a lot of angry nerd emails.
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Oct 4, 2015 09:24
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hmm i hate the escapist and star citizen so either way i win also the fact that the starcitizen forum is happy their money is being spent on needless litigation is hilarious Relin fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Oct 4, 2015 09:25
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WebDog posted:Even if it is settled in the states, Roberts would still have to prove that everything written by the Escapist and in part their ex-employees was completely untrue. This is precisely the part that makes all of this absurd as hell. I mean, even if they should somehow through the miracle of amazing idiocy win or settle in the end, they would still be required to open up their books, their internal info in a public court of law, to get there. The exact thing which The Escapist and everyone on the outside wants and that CIG has proven to REALLY not want. There is no way in hell they can win this in any conceivable way, other than if they turn out to have done this part just as a publicity stunt to rally the faithful and haven't actually filed anything legal at all.
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Oct 4, 2015 09:25
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Get em, CIG!
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Oct 4, 2015 09:27
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That is not a letter you write if you are seriously considering litigation. That is a letter you write for PR purposes. Now The Escapist have repeatedly said they ran everything past their legal department before publication, so they should be perfectly safe.
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Oct 4, 2015 09:39
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WebDog posted:Even if it is settled in the states, Roberts would still have to prove that everything written by the Escapist and in part their ex-employees was completely untrue. Not just that, even more difficult is they have to prove that the Escapist KNOWINGLY published false information in order to damage CIG. Incompetence isn't enough. It's an incredibly high bar, and the death knell of most slander/libel cases. CIG is walking into a jet engine.
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Oct 4, 2015 09:40
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Good morning schadenfriends! What's going ooo-- oooo ... oooaa ... ahahaha! Good lord that letter isn't very professional. But it does read as written by somebody who believes himself wholly untouchable. Fold or fight, this is going to be interesting. I can't see it being a barrel of laughs actually having to work there through this though; can only imagine how oppressive the atmosphere is. Poor things.
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Oct 4, 2015 09:46
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also this reminds me of http://southpark.cc.com/clips/155134/go-ahead-sue-me
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BanjoFish posted:Not just that, even more difficult is they have to prove that the Escapist KNOWINGLY published false information in order to damage CIG. Incompetence isn't enough. It's an incredibly high bar, and the death knell of most slander/libel cases. Don't kink shame.
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Agrajag posted:AHAHAHAHAAH this is the loving best thing ever! Praise the loving lord for dropping this GOTY! Oh god this train will never stop boys, ALLLLL ABOARD! I agree. If you're serious about suing somebody, you DO NOT TALK, because it can only be used to hurt your case in court. You DO NOT TALK publicly AT ALL about your case or ANYTHING related to the case, and you ESPECIALLY do NOT TALK to the person, persons, or entity who you are going to sue. (They did all of the above by sending a letter then posting the letter on their public website.) Either this is a scare tactic, or they are complete idiots who have NOT hired legal counsel and have NOT been advised to SHUT THE gently caress UP AND ONLY TALK TO COUNSEL about the case or anything relating to the case. Based on everything we've seen, both are equally likely. :P
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I worked in patent litigation for White & Case and while I never dealt with the Cooley firm directly, I did know of their reputation as a being pretty highly ranked in the Intellectual Property world. I do not know their experience with libel cases, but it is a pretty sizable firm so I would have to assume they have some people there who handle these things, especially because they are a Cali firm. Edit: Turns out I know someone from law school who is an associate there now, but I have not kept contact with him enough to feel comfortable asking about this case. (He isn't in the libel practice group anyway) RuckusRouser fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Oct 4, 2015 09:50
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Thanks for all the insights on the law firms involved. Much appreciated.
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RuckusRouser posted:I worked in patent litigation for White & Case and while I never dealt with the Cooley firm directly, I did know of their reputation as a being pretty highly ranked in the Intellectual Property world. I do not know their experience with libel cases, but it is a pretty sizable firm so I would have to assume they have some people there who handle these things, especially because they are a Cali firm. This Intellectual Property accolade probably comes from that copyright infringement case from 1971, by which any competent law firm would've won. void_serfer fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Oct 4, 2015 09:54
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As much as I hope to god this train wreck keeps on crashing, isn't it likely the escapist will just avoid spending the money to take this to court? I mean they either a: spend a lot of money on legal poo poo, or b: take down a news article and apologize to whiney nerds.
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Oct 4, 2015 09:57
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we're sorry your uber space game is vaporware and the developer is pocketing all ur money and teh game u want will never be released lmao
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Oct 4, 2015 09:58
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Joe Gillian posted:This Intellectual Property accolade probably comes from that copyright infringement case from 1971, by which any law firm would've won. I didn't work in copyright, I did patents, and I definitely remember speaking about some of their cases during "Water Cooler Talk" and happy hours. They represented Facebook in its patent case vs Yahoo. You can read an article about it here that doesn't have any legalese: http://www.businessinsider.com/its-official-the-facebook-yahoo-patent-war-is-over-2012-7
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CodfishCartographer posted:As much as I hope to god this train wreck keeps on crashing, isn't it likely the escapist will just avoid spending the money to take this to court? I mean they either a: spend a lot of money on legal poo poo, or b: take down a news article and apologize to whiney nerds. This is not going to court, any reasonable person can tell you that much. Win or lose, it would cost the Escapist's parent company more money in legal expenses than both the editor and author of that article make in a year.
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Oct 4, 2015 10:03
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Waiting for the new ship to release so they can fund their legal team.
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Oct 4, 2015 10:04
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As for the libel case -- and I say this as someone who is NOT an expert in the field, I only had to deal with libel in my first year Torts class and during the bar exam, so the following is from memory, take it as you will -- I would say CIG has a pretty large hurdle to overcome because the Escapist made it pretty clear in its article that any statement about Sandi or the company was taken from an interview. The author also made liberal and widespread use of the word "allegedly" so it is not like they were trying to convince the reader "everything in this piece is undoubtedly factual".
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RuckusRouser posted:I didn't work in copyright, I did patents, and I definitely remember speaking about some of their cases during "Water Cooler Talk" and happy hours. They represented Facebook in its patent case vs Yahoo. You can read an article about it here that doesn't have any legalese: I've read about this. The specifics are muddied, as it seems to have been settled before any true legal action was taken, but it's hard to see Facebook losing this equation by any stretch. This is purely speculation on my part though, as you never know the exact specifics with settlements. Anyway, CIG is still probably doomed. void_serfer fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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CodfishCartographer posted:As much as I hope to god this train wreck keeps on crashing, isn't it likely the escapist will just avoid spending the money to take this to court? I mean they either a: spend a lot of money on legal poo poo, or b: take down a news article and apologize to whiney nerds. Backing down against such a pathetic attempt at intimidation would basically torpedo their credibility forever. It might be the right move financially, but the optics on it are so absurdly terrible I think they'll end up calling Crobby's very obvious bluff.
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CrazyLoon posted:There is no way in hell they can win this in any conceivable way, other than if they turn out to have done this part just as a publicity stunt to rally the faithful and haven't actually filed anything legal at all. Edit: I love that everyone was waiting for Star Citizen to implode, and when it finally started doing it, it did so in the most hilarious meltdown way possible. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Oct 4, 2015 10:11
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I wonder if CIG will ammend the Escapists response even if it amounts to "nah, gently caress you"
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Oct 4, 2015 10:13
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5 pages of angry response from Ortwin with 3 themes and one threat. Sandi was hurt. The Escapist is unprofessional for using whistleblower sources. Dont hurt Sandi. We will sue you if dont apologise to Sandi.
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Oct 4, 2015 10:14
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Libel laws are different in the U.K., which is one of the two countries CIG threatened litigation in. In the U.K., the burden of proof is on the author/journalist.
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What happens if the escapist just ignores them, since everyone agrees cig won't win in court?
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madcow posted:Libel laws are different in the U.K., which is one of the two countries CIG threatened litigation in. In the U.K., the burden of proof is on the author/journalist. And how exactly would they get the case heard in the UK, when both companies are headquartered in the US?
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Did anyone notice how Ortwin brought up examples of how Sandi has African-Americans and people who are older than 40 on staff, but he didn't dispute that every woman must be clean shaven?
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Oct 4, 2015 10:19
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RuckusRouser posted:Did anyone notice how Ortwin brought up examples of how Sandi has African-Americans and people who are older than 40 on staff, but he didn't dispute that every woman must be clean shaven? iirc this wasn't unheard of in the past, but the UK has recently instituted laws to prevent, or at least largely deter, "litigation tourism."
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Oct 4, 2015 10:21
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Oct 4, 2015 10:22
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OhDearGodNo posted:People seem to be surprised over how crazy the SC cult is. This can't be a real thing. When this whole thing blows up, Salman Rushdie is gonna read news reports about Chris Roberts and think to himself that he had it easy.
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Oct 4, 2015 10:22
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Aidopunko posted:This can't be a real thing. Pretty much. At least Salman Rushdie's plight isn't immortalized on the internet in such a way.
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RuckusRouser posted:Did anyone notice how Ortwin brought up examples of how Sandi has African-Americans and people who are older than 40 on staff, but he didn't dispute that every woman must be clean shaven? Yet ANOTHER stone in the obvious foundation that must be Sandi's hairy cooter discrimination policy!
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Nicolas Murfettquote:Nicolas Murfett is a Senior Associate in the Interactive Entertainment and Sport Groups. He advises clients on commercial, regulatory and intellectual property matters within the interactive entertainment and sports industries. CIG already had a relationship with Harbottle & Lewis in the UK, I wonder how CIG are going to explain who will pay the legal fees if this goes further.
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