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There's a Life and, I think Death mastery spell that slows your rate of ageing such that, if you roll an exceptional success when casting you just don't age when it's active.
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I like the idea of mages almost universally moving toward a form of fragile immortality as they age. Fragile in the sense that it's really unlikely to work indefinately. Mages growing dependent on magic as they age is super the thematic.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:So for my group's first session, I'm going to run a small "Baby's First World of Darkness" game where I'm going to go over the different skills and whatnot. I'm making them all play simple dumb humans because 1. they don't know how to play this game and B. they can't agree on one creature to play. One wants to be a Mage, another desperately wants to play a werewolf, and one just wants to be a cultist ( It can be fun to be a servant. Has cultist guy gamed before? I mean, it's basically infinite plot-hooks. Having a mentor/weird god who needs you to do weird things isn't the worst way to get into gaming.
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). Once they get through this I'll probably make them vote on the next creature they all get to play, that way I don't have to teach the mechanics more than once (hopefully).
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Could someone link me to that massive post (I believe on another forum) that explained cWoD pretty heavily? I remember seeing it here first.
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moths posted:If you read "cultist" as a regular guy in the thrall of some otherworldly entity, you've potentially found the only person on Earth who wants to play Geist. Geist could be actually quite good if its execution didn't suck massively.
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Oct 4, 2015 03:20
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Mors Rattus posted:Geist could be actually quite good if its execution didn't suck massively. I dunno, after Beast Geist is looking a lot better.
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Oct 4, 2015 04:19
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MonsieurChoc posted:I dunno, after Beast Geist is looking a lot better. Oh, to be sure, Geist is just badly written and has terrible mechanics, it is not offensively terrible.
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crime fighting hog posted:Could someone link me to that massive post (I believe on another forum) that explained cWoD pretty heavily? I remember seeing it here first. This maybe?? http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-classic-world-of-darkness/70549-a-brief-metaplot-of-cwod
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hangedman1984 posted:This maybe?? Every time I read this I am reminded of how little of the metaplot I really understood despite having hundreds of dollars in hardbacks.
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Looking at the very first post in that and ignoring the rest, all I can think is "So the Neverborn are Neverborn because they don't have parents, they were just raised by their GrandMaw."
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I'm not sure how accurate a lot of that summary is.
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Trying to integrate different WoD game lines' backstories and metaplots is a fruitless (and tedious) exercise, considering how most of them fundamentally and sometimes deliberately contradict each other. I mean, right off the bat you have to pick and choose between the monotheistic Genesis-ish origin of the universe from VtM and DtF, the triatic WtA cosmology, and the various MtAs paradigms that are either completely agnostic or else work on the premise that all souls and such are fragments of God, who no longer exists as a singular and discrete being. Even the crossover elements in the metaplot are completely irrelevant outside of the whole Avatar Storm thing, and the exact origin of the storm doesn't really matter in practice outside of edge case chronicles that are specifically focused on that element of Gehenna or whatever.
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I'm still kind of awestruck at Geist organizations being cults. "Hey, if you want to work with some other Sin-Eaters, you should come up with an elaborate religion and convert to it" doesn't inspire "hey, I want to play this!" like it was meant to.
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Thanks. I dunno how accurate it is either, but there was something I needed to check on after a discussion with a friend about Caine.
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hangedman1984 posted:This maybe??
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I'm way not okay with Charon having any sort of supernatural background beyond having become a Wraith really early in the history of organized Wraiths. Charon's just this guy, you know?
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unseenlibrarian posted:Looking at the very first post in that and ignoring the rest, all I can think is "So the Neverborn are Neverborn because they don't have parents, they were just raised by their GrandMaw." Amazingly, there are two different ancient cthonic demon-mothers known as Grand Maw/Grandmother in oWoD: the colossal Wyrm-serpent that lives under the Trinity test site and houses in the Black Spiral Dancers' preeminent caern inside her corpus, and the nigh-omnipotent "mother" of the Neverborn from Wraith/Orpheus. I'm sure there's a fan theory somewhere that finds some way to claim that the two of them are actually the same being, despite that being somehow more stupid than anything else in this post.
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Pope Guilty posted:I'm way not okay with Charon having any sort of supernatural background beyond having become a Wraith really early in the history of organized Wraiths. Charon was revealed to be a random soldier from an early Etruscan Kingdom in Ends of Empire. The Angel Charon from Demon: the Fallen is a completely separate character with the same name.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Charon was revealed to be a random soldier from an early Etruscan Kingdom in Ends of Empire. The Angel Charon from Demon: the Fallen is a completely separate character with the same name. Oh, good then.
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Yeah, there's a lot wrong with that metaplot summary.
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So how would I go about breaking Geist over my knee? Caveats: Stygian Key not available at character creation.
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gtrmp posted:or else work on the premise that all souls and such are fragments of God, who no longer exists as a singular and discrete being. To be fair you could slot that into the Vampire/Demon cosmology fairly easily. God touched the face of Creation, and hasn't been meaningfully heard from since. Did God turn away, or was the Infinite fractured by the act of touching the Finite? Really, and as always, Werewolf is the only one that sits on the sidelines. The Triat just doesn't easily map to any of the settings well. Christ, it barely maps to werewolf well.
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Solus posted:So how would I go about breaking Geist over my knee? Step 1 - take boneyard anything. Step 2 - see step 1
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So Clutch's new album dropped, and as usual, it contains some great poo poo that makes me want to play WoD games while getting drunk. This time it has one that makes me wish Beast had turned out like we initially thought it would be: the game of playing Universal horror monsters/mythic beasts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZRnyJltTTY Drive us by pitchfork to caves by the sea Atop the mountain, under cities We are monsters, we are older than men Yes, we are Gorgons and we will have our revenge! Frighten their children by speaking our name Epoch and eon, it's always the same We are monsters, but we will no longer run We are the cyclops and our time has come! This world was ours before it had ever known men Soon it will be ours again Grant them their tales of their forefather's glory For soon it will be ours again!
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hangedman1984 posted:This maybe?? Come to think of it, does anyone have a link to that old post in a previous version of this thread that basically explained all the stupid poo poo that went down after revised came out and the red star appeared? I think it included poo poo about the Tremere antitribu getting killed at a party. Pussy Cartel fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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My favourite little Geist thing was that one Geist power where you can detach your hand and have it move around independently of you being labelled as "perhaps the most disturbing power available to Sin-Eaters", when the power immediately prior to that one is "You can stick machinery in your body so you can pull it out whenever, and walk around being Tetsuo the Iron Man".
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Pussy Cartel posted:Come to think of it, does anyone have a link to that old post in a previous version of this thread that basically explained all the stupid poo poo that went down after revised came out and the red star appeared? I think it included poo poo about the Tremere antitribu getting killed at a party. I remember something about one of the werewolf tribes being called to Egypt to fight their "evil ghost grandma."
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Pussy Cartel posted:Come to think of it, does anyone have a link to that old post in a previous version of this thread that basically explained all the stupid poo poo that went down after revised came out and the red star appeared? I think it included poo poo about the Tremere antitribu getting killed at a party. Is this here what you had in mind?
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MonsieurChoc posted:Charon was revealed to be a random soldier from an early Etruscan Kingdom in Ends of Empire. The Angel Charon from Demon: the Fallen is a completely separate character with the same name. Yeah, Demon: The Fallen sure said a bunch of stuff people working on every other game ignored. I love ya Greg Stolze, but mages aren't filled with dead angel juice. EDIT: That came off as snarky. Demon's definite tone was integral to that game, so it sort of had to go down like that, but by the Revised era we'd moved away from games making solid assertions about one another. That's why "Vampires have static stuff and shattered avatars and that's all you need to know," was deprecated. MalcolmSheppard fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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Pope Guilty posted:I'm still kind of awestruck at Geist organizations being cults. "Hey, if you want to work with some other Sin-Eaters, you should come up with an elaborate religion and convert to it" doesn't inspire "hey, I want to play this!" like it was meant to. Yeah, I blew it.
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MalcolmSheppard posted:Yeah, I blew it. Just do better in 2E, there's a gem of a game down in there.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to a properly playtested and edited Geist.
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MalcolmSheppard posted:Yeah, Demon: The Fallen sure said a bunch of stuff people working on every other game ignored. I love ya Greg Stolze, but mages aren't filled with dead angel juice. I think it speaks volumes really that the two best oWoD lines - Orpheus and Demon - are also the ones that focused first and foremost on doing their own thing, and while perfectly willing to engage with the rest of the setting, didn't let that get in the way of their own concepts and conceits and even more importantly, their internal tonal consistency. It makes fitting them with the rest a little awkward at times, and some of the dedication to that consistency and those conceits creates odd choices that run totally counter to the other lines, but they're stronger for it. Loomer fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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MalcolmSheppard posted:Yeah, Demon: The Fallen sure said a bunch of stuff people working on every other game ignored. I love ya Greg Stolze, but mages aren't filled with dead angel juice. Hey, considering that angels were in a sense machines that converted raw faith into reality-warping miracles, avatars-as-angel-fragments made perfect metaphysical sense. It's just cutting out the middle-man, by stapling him to your back.
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The alternative is you just be a bit 'Gaiman' about it - There's no reason why all these things can't be true, at once. They just are, and their ability to all be true at the same time despite being apparently contradictory is why they're ineffable, and you're not.
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So, kind of like this Onion article? http://www.theonion.com/article/sumerians-look-on-in-confusion-as-god-creates-worl-2879
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Kinda. It's the argument that the worst thing about Demon making Mages be some weird Angel offspring is not the rationale given (though that is terrible) it's trying to rationalise their coexistence at all. They just are, and that's it. There is no coherant, rational reason why they do, because the WoD is not a coherant, rational world. If you're cynical, you can call that a writing cop-out, but going down that way is also why Dr. Douglas Netchurch keeps failing in the setting - His basic premise (the universe is scientifically rational and understandable) is actually wrong.
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But Mage in Demon aren't people with Angel shards in them? They're just humans realzing their true potential to Be As God: like in the time of the Babel Project. 
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