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Teenage Fansub posted:Dynamite is relaunching Red Sonja, Vamperella and Dejah Thoris (John Carter of Mars) comics with new looks designed by Nicola Scott.
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Oct 5, 2015 21:07
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It seems hosed up to change vampirella's costume. It'd be like Elvira, mistress of the dark, changing into some goth hot topic stuff. Plus that design is pretty bad.
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Oct 5, 2015 21:10
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Travis343 posted:It seems hosed up to change vampirella's costume. It'd be like Elvira, mistress of the dark, changing into some goth hot topic stuff. I'm sure you'll still find a way to jerk off to her.
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Oct 5, 2015 22:37
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Travis343 posted:It seems hosed up to change vampirella's costume. It'd be like Elvira, mistress of the dark, changing into some goth hot topic stuff. I'd say it's less "changing Vampirella's costume," and more "giving her an actual goddamn costume." The only justification I can think of for keeping her "classic" look would be if the comic is basically just gothy porn. Yes, I am putting it in the same category as Tarot.
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Oct 5, 2015 23:01
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Dejah's "totally not Wonder Woman" look isn't great, but it's a good improvement. Red Sonia's chainmail bustier seems a bit silly, but points for trying something new. Vampirella looks like a Claire Redfield knock-off but I like it a ton. I don't really know why. Does that suit her character well? I don't know poo poo about Vampirella.
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Oct 5, 2015 23:07
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I feel like the logo on her back is trying to find a way to not be a knock-off Bat-family insignia, while treading dangerously close to Phoenix's emblem. I started to check if there was any past logos that would set a precedence, but ...no.. I-I guess not.
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Oct 5, 2015 23:37
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tribbledirigible posted:I feel like the logo on her back is trying to find a way to not be a knock-off Bat-family insignia, while treading dangerously close to Phoenix's emblem. I started to check if there was any past logos that would set a precedence, but ...no.. I-I guess not. She's had that logo since her early days, I think. It's on the old costume.
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Oct 5, 2015 23:41
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Yeah as I said I don't even know poo poo about Vampirella and even I recognized that symbol instantly.
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Oct 5, 2015 23:47
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mind the walrus posted:Dejah's "totally not Wonder Woman" look isn't great, but it's a good improvement. Red Sonia's chainmail bustier seems a bit silly, but points for trying something new. She's pretty much your standard comic book vampire: superstrength, superspeed, hypnotic gaze, supernatural toughness, etc. No shapechanging abilities, but she can grow wings and fly. Unless she's been massively revised, the new costume doesn't really work for me for that reason. What does a vampire need with a hand crossbow, knives, and whatever's in those belt pouches? She looks more like a Buffy knockoff. And yeah, Sonja's chainmail crop top is a moderate improvement over the chainmail bikini, but it still seems rather impractical.
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Oct 5, 2015 23:54
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Selachian posted:She's pretty much your standard comic book vampire: superstrength, superspeed, hypnotic gaze, supernatural toughness, etc. No shapechanging abilities, but she can grow wings and fly. I like Nicola Scott, but her Vampirella just looks like she gave Elsa Bloodstone dark hair.
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Oct 6, 2015 00:03
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Selachian posted:She's pretty much your standard comic book vampire: superstrength, superspeed, hypnotic gaze, supernatural toughness, etc. No shapechanging abilities, but she can grow wings and fly. Vampirella's whole thing is that she's basically a globetrotting monster hunter for the church, so she might need weapons to murderise some werewolves or goblins or whatever. And the Sonja design is probably the most iconic of the 3, and thus the hardest to change without making it less immediately visually striking or losing the character's personality. The chainmail tank-top thing is trying to keep the idea of her being lightly armoured, in keeping with her barbarian-y roots, while being a bit less exploitative. It's a tricky balance, albeit one Bennet won't have any trouble sliding into the book if she wants to address it. Simone's revised backstory for Sonja has the bikini as the armour she wore while in a warlord's fetish-y gladiator arena.
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Oct 6, 2015 00:12
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Gaz-L posted:Vampirella's whole thing is that she's basically a globetrotting monster hunter for the church, so she might need weapons to murderise some werewolves or goblins or whatever. Yeah this is what I thought but never cared enough to look up because Vampirella--no offense to fans--always seemed like wank-off material from the 70s that kept getting grandfathered into publication on the basis of nostalgia from its lonelier creators and cult fanbase, despite knowing better that there probably was a worthwhile character in all of that to have endured for like 40+ years now. The new costume is actually so much of a Claire Redfield knock-off it's actually spookier than the idea of her as a vampire...   ..... but it reads immediately as "demon hunter."
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Oct 6, 2015 00:28
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mind the walrus posted:
The wings on the back remind me of Claire's vest from Code Veronica. 
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Oct 6, 2015 00:33
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Gaz-L posted:And the Sonja design is probably the most iconic of the 3, and thus the hardest to change without making it less immediately visually striking or losing the character's personality. The chainmail tank-top thing is trying to keep the idea of her being lightly armoured, in keeping with her barbarian-y roots, while being a bit less exploitative. It's a tricky balance, albeit one Bennet won't have any trouble sliding into the book if she wants to address it. Simone's revised backstory for Sonja has the bikini as the armour she wore while in a warlord's fetish-y gladiator arena. To me the most important change in her design is that she's drawn to actually look like a warrior woman instead of a sexy cosplayer.
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Oct 6, 2015 00:34
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Action Tortoise posted:The wings on the back remind me of Claire's vest from Code Veronica. Addressed literally 6 posts up and took 2 seconds to google with "Vampirella logo"  
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Oct 6, 2015 00:41
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mind the walrus posted:Yeah this is what I thought but never cared enough to look up because Vampirella--no offense to fans--always seemed like wank-off material from the 70s that kept getting grandfathered into publication on the basis of nostalgia from its lonelier creators and cult fanbase, despite knowing better that there probably was a worthwhile character in all of that to have endured for like 40+ years now. I suppose I should've included that she's technically not a vampire, but an alien from a planet where the people are... um, well, vampires. (Most of this I only know because the tie-in mini for the Swords of Sorrow event gave a decent precis of her backstory in a page or two. Followed by like half an issue of going through every loving issue of Jennifer Blood.)
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Oct 6, 2015 00:56
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Well, obviously I'm in the minority here but I feel like there's a time and a place for light hearted, tongue in cheek cheesecake and a horror pulp comics character from 1969 famously drawn by Frank Goddamn Frazetta is that time and place. It's not like she's ever been marketed to kids. I realize that her design sensibility is applied to every woman in a comic book ever and so it's real easy to say it's never appropriate but she's not Wonder Woman or Supergirl. To me Vampirella is a classic look. Her original costume was designed by an extremely outspoken feminist in the underground/alternative comics scene from the 50s and onward, so consider the context. Plus even if it is sexist as hell and no amount of context is going to change your mind, that new costume is loving terrible. The other two look like the characters that they are. Vampirella's new look is like something from one of those forgettable aughts vampire hunter movies, like Van Helsing or that Hansel and Gretel movie. It doesn't remotely read as Vampirella.
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Oct 6, 2015 01:02
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It's terrible except for all the other people in this thread who said it's good? 
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Oct 6, 2015 01:07
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Gaz-L posted:I suppose I should've included that she's technically not a vampire, but an alien from a planet where the people are... um, well, vampires. Figures. Even so I'm not hating on that. I take characters with objectively stupider origins more seriously. Travis343 posted:Well, obviously I'm in the minority here but I feel like there's a time and a place for light hearted, tongue in cheek cheesecake and a horror pulp comics character from 1969 famously drawn by Frank Goddamn Frazetta is that time and place. It's not like she's ever been marketed to kids. I realize that her design sensibility is applied to every woman in a comic book ever and so it's real easy to say it's never appropriate but she's not Wonder Woman or Supergirl. To me Vampirella is a classic look. Her original costume was designed by an extremely outspoken feminist in the underground/alternative comics scene from the 50s and onward, so consider the context. I actually agree with you completely with the sole exception that I like the new outfit. Also the way you guys aren't recognizing it as a Claire Redfield rip-off is starting to scare me. Take the white/buttons off the front and change the collar and there's a legitimate lawsuit from Capcom there. If they hadn't changed her outfit I wouldn't have been mad; as you said there is a time and place for everything and it's not like Vampirella shows up in kid's cartoons or on little girls' backpacks.
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Oct 6, 2015 01:12
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Chaos Hippy posted:I'd say it's less "changing Vampirella's costume," and more "giving her an actual goddamn costume." The only justification I can think of for keeping her "classic" look would be if the comic is basically just gothy porn. Yes, I am putting it in the same category as Tarot.
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Oct 6, 2015 01:21
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All three of those women have relied on sex appeal to get and keep readers their entire existence so giving them more clothes just looks like bad business. Is anyone picking up a copy of the adventures of titty clips for reasons other than to look at titty clips? For what it's worth, I think Sonja looks the best of the 3. Amorphous Blob fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Oct 6, 2015 |
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Oct 6, 2015 03:13
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Amorphous Blob posted:All three of those women have relied on sex appeal to get and keep readers their entire existence so giving them more clothes just looks like bad business. Is anyone picking up a copy of the adventures of titty clips for reasons other than to look at titty clips? Hi, there! Welcome to the year 2015! Was the trip from 1974 tiring? Here in the future, we've learned that women often have jobs and interests, and thus they have money and spend that money on those things that interest them, thus making products that feature women doing cool things while not dressing in a way that is obviously objectifying them for the male gaze is a good way to entice that portion of the population (only 51% but hey, every little helps!) to give you their money and thus may in fact be good business. 
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Oct 6, 2015 03:32
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Selachian posted:Unless she's been massively revised, the new costume doesn't really work for me for that reason. What does a vampire need with a hand crossbow, knives, and whatever's in those belt pouches? She looks more like a Buffy knockoff. You mean the thing she's had for years and even shows up in her action figures? 
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Oct 6, 2015 03:32
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Gaz-L posted:Hi, there! Welcome to the year 2015! Was the trip from 1974 tiring? Here in the future, we've learned that women often have jobs and interests, and thus they have money and spend that money on those things that interest them, thus making products that feature women doing cool things while not dressing in a way that is obviously objectifying them for the male gaze is a good way to entice that portion of the population (only 51% but hey, every little helps!) to give you their money and thus may in fact be good business. You got any examples to back that up or just more buzzwords? Big titties and swords is a classical genre of pulp and turning every bra into a tanktop and every thong into shorts ain't helping women's rights any. If you want to sell to women, make things for women. Let the nerds enjoy their spanky smut in peace.
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Oct 6, 2015 03:50
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Buzzwords Which buzzwords did he bust out? 'Population?'
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Oct 6, 2015 03:56
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Objectification, male gaze, "women have jobs now," "it's 2015 now," and a charming lil smiley face This is "adolescent power fantasy that may alienate potential readers" and also this chick is about a million times tougher and empowering than any "turned spandex into kevlar" redesign ever. Amorphous Blob fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Oct 6, 2015 |
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Oct 6, 2015 03:59
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Those aren't buzzwords, those are just regular words. Sorry you got told.
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Oct 6, 2015 04:06
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Amorphous Blob posted:Objectification, male gaze, "women have jobs now," "it's 2015 now," and a charming lil smiley face That costume is terrible, just ugh
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Oct 6, 2015 04:12
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Amorphous Blob posted:
Hey everyone that guy is here. Anyone want to take the bait? Anyone want to get in the mud? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
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Oct 6, 2015 04:14
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mind the walrus posted:Those aren't buzzwords, those are just regular words. Sorry you got told. I have a feeling some people just assume buzzwords are being used when they read something they don't like that they can't actually argue against. "It has to be wrong somehow!" edit: Almost as if buzzword... is a buzzword. mycot fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Oct 6, 2015 |
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Oct 6, 2015 04:16
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I'm really digging on that Red Sonja.  I'm glad they swapped out the chainmail bikini for the chainmail ... whatever-it-is there with the sideboob and all. I get that chainmail bikinis are a pulp staple/cliche, but boy howdy is it nice seeing something that manages to bring variety and remain good looking. The cape feels weather-appropriate but can still be thrown back to show off all the skin the chainmail doesn't cover. It all seems pretty functional and believable without sacrificing looks, at least in my opinion. I guess maybe it'll be too un-sexy for some readers, but ... that's stupid. Outfit's still plenty revealing, just feels a lot more like she could actually survive outdoors. The redesign is honestly making me think I should get off my rear end and read some drat Red Sonja finally.Vampirella is ... ugh. I don't like that redesign. It's like they looked around at other redesigns happening and just kind of shrugged and went as generic as possible. I guess it does read OK for what she does, but I'm not getting a lot of personality besides "goth chick who hunts monsters I guess." Everything about it feels derivative. Dejah Thoris mostly works for me, but I'm not liking the flat line of her costume above the belly button. I want some more ornamentation above the bare skin. Even just make the leather tattered to break up that straight line, I don't know. I'm fine with the skin showing, it just feels ... lazy, as-is? Especially compared to how interesting the rest of the outfit looks. I'm really hung up on this one part of the costume because it's dumb and bad. Anyway, it is 2015 and I am employed so take that I guess.
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Oct 6, 2015 04:25
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A Tin Of Beans posted:I'm really digging on that Red Sonja. Tankini!
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Oct 6, 2015 04:29
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Coinmail 
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Oct 6, 2015 04:35
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I really dig that Vampirella costume, but I never played the house of the dead games very often, so I don't know what claire renfield looked like
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Oct 6, 2015 04:45
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Amorphous Blob posted:This is "adolescent power fantasy that may alienate potential readers" and also this chick is about a million times tougher and empowering than any "turned spandex into kevlar" redesign ever.
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Oct 6, 2015 04:46
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Ghostlight posted:What about this image, especially the costume, do you find personally empowering? We got a taker! We got a taker everybody!
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Oct 6, 2015 04:49
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It's a slow day at work.
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Oct 6, 2015 04:51
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too late, he already shat and ran
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Oct 6, 2015 05:00
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We got a ton of older dudes that buy those books. I'll let the readers decide if it's a good change. This is going to be hilarious.
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Soonmot posted:I really dig that Vampirella costume, but I never played the house of the dead games very often, so I don't know what claire renfield looked like
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