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Panty Saluter posted:lol if u use anything but literal language aropund fishmech okay so roof trusses are all prefab, all the time fishmech vanquished again 
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duTrieux. posted:how... why would anybody do the first one? because it's silly and so conveys the respect I think the term deserves
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Oct 6, 2015 05:26
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Smythe posted:have you ever stood in your bedroom window while your wife sleeps, silently and listlessly gazing at the silhouette of of your neighbors loving through their silky drapes. have you ever pulled one out to completion while youb watched hoping, just hoping they'd notice your big dick and invite you over. have you ever watched your neighbors wife walk their portuguese water dog and fantasize about being on the leash. about looking up at her nice firm tits and she pulled on the choke chain and called you a human being. have you ever dreamed about eating from her dog bowl. about taking her up to your wifes dads cabin in veil and beating your neighbors wife to death. have you imagined the life draining from her eyes and your cock ripped her pussy up? do you work at an enterprise software vendor? you might live in a mcmansion
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Oct 6, 2015 05:30
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Smythe posted:have you ever stood in your bedroom window while your wife sleeps, silently and listlessly gazing at the silhouette of of your neighbors loving through their silky drapes. have you ever pulled one out to completion while youb watched hoping, just hoping they'd notice your big dick and invite you over. have you ever watched your neighbors wife walk their portuguese water dog and fantasize about being on the leash. about looking up at her nice firm tits and she pulled on the choke chain and called you a human being. have you ever dreamed about eating from her dog bowl. about taking her up to your wifes dads cabin in veil and beating your neighbors wife to death. have you imagined the life draining from her eyes and your cock ripped her pussy up? do you work at an enterprise software vendor? you might live in a mcmansion
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Oct 6, 2015 05:32
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I like to think smythe irl has a perfectly stable vanilla relationship with his long term girlfriend and also has no body image issues
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Oct 6, 2015 05:45
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i'm a self taught "programmer" (hpc for grad school) and i think ti would be good if i had to take a test or pass a course before i'd be allowed/required to write code futzing with people's identifying information or financial things.
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Oct 6, 2015 05:56
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bartlebyshop posted:i'm a self taught "programmer" (hpc for grad school) and i think ti would be good if i had to take a test or pass a course before i'd be allowed/required to write code futzing with people's identifying information or financial things. yeah i mean at least this sort of thing needs a barrier to entry or qualification test of some kind. feel free to make apps that put hats on cats or whatever with your awful garbage code but some of the poo poo that is actively running the economy and handling very important (and probably life-critical) things is really shamefully bad and that needs to change and it probably won't until breaches get so bad that companies have to carry massive and expensive hacker insurance and the insurance requires them to do bare minimum security things to qualify.
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Oct 6, 2015 06:00
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Smythe posted:do you live in a housing development? are the streets in an orderly grid? does your sheriff shoot niggers, spics, beaners, fags and kykes on sight? you might live in a mcmansion dis good but mcmansionvilles never have gridded streets, it's always the meandering "scenic" roads that make getting anywhere in the neighborhood take twice as long
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Oct 6, 2015 06:02
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:where do you live that you've only been to one once? i mean i live in Florida which is kinda a special case since our housing market was the most idiotic right before the bubble popped so they're all over the place here. and yeah they're super weird and probably impossible to come home drunk to and still find your house. 
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Oct 6, 2015 06:06
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in it, voted 5
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Oct 6, 2015 06:11
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me, playing sim city
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Oct 6, 2015 06:12
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:yeah i mean at least this sort of thing needs a barrier to entry or qualification test of some kind. feel free to make apps that put hats on cats or whatever with your awful garbage code but some of the poo poo that is actively running the economy and handling very important (and probably life-critical) things is really shamefully bad and that needs to change and it probably won't until breaches get so bad that companies have to carry massive and expensive hacker insurance and the insurance requires them to do bare minimum security things to qualify. can't wait until some idiot C++ doer like me finally writes the code that allows hackers to turn all Chevys everywhere into bombs
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related: http://bldgblog.blogspot.com/2014/10/landscape-redacted.html 
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pr0zac posted:dis good but mcmansionvilles never have gridded streets, it's always the meandering "scenic" roads that make getting anywhere in the neighborhood take twice as long shorter sight lines also trick drivers into going slower which is good for reducing traffic fatalities in a neighborhood full of understimulated, overindulged children (and their offspring)
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Oct 6, 2015 06:20
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:yeah i mean at least this sort of thing needs a barrier to entry or qualification test of some kind. feel free to make apps that put hats on cats or whatever with your awful garbage code but some of the poo poo that is actively running the economy and handling very important (and probably life-critical) things is really shamefully bad and that needs to change and it probably won't until breaches get so bad that companies have to carry massive and expensive hacker insurance and the insurance requires them to do bare minimum security things to qualify. so when someone with certification fucks up are you envisioning like a process to decertify them or what
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Oct 6, 2015 06:27
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north las vegas same thing i think in vegas there were a lot of 80% completed modulars done where tweakers inhabited one by one to burn the carpet for heat just destroying them down a line nobody caught it cuz no electricity no alarms
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Oct 6, 2015 06:28
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:so when someone with certification fucks up are you envisioning like a process to decertify them or what also just because i'm a spiteful bastard, i'm curious if no amount of regulation/certification/insurance stemmed security breaches, would your breaking point be "gently caress it, cost of doing business" or "gently caress computers, failed experiment, we're all going back to paper records"
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Oct 6, 2015 06:32
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Trabisnikof posted:Nah, because one could use a native lawn/xenomorph that has lower water usage than the same square footage of home idk man those xenomorph nests always look moist as hell
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Oct 6, 2015 06:53
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:also just because i'm a spiteful bastard, i'm curious yeah i guess there'd be decertification if it's a glaringly bad fuckup or if it's repeated, i don't know exactly how it works in other fields but we somehow can build massive skyscrapers without them falling over from being designed by literal children i'm sure we can figure it out. i mean i don't think anything will fully stop breaches, but as pointed out before the breaches we keep seeing in this thread tend to be really remedial stuff that exists due to true systemic incompetence rather than rare coding mistakes or "these hyper-sophisticated master criminals broke down our cyberbrain firewall!" i mean it's not like we don't have entire industries that build massively complex things that are life-critical yet made out of millions of parts made by hundreds of thousands of people working for completely different companies in completely different countries that somehow magically don't explode constantly.
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Oct 6, 2015 07:03
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considering the smartest programmers/mathematicians willing to work instead of stay in academia are already actively loving over the economy with models that will eventually destroy the world's money in an instant, asking programmings to pass a "i know the difference between a float and an int" test will not be very useful.
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Oct 6, 2015 07:12
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i solemnly swear i will adhere to Keynesian economics and not make as much money as possible during the bull market nor sell all i can at the sign of a bear
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Oct 6, 2015 07:14
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:yeah i guess there'd be decertification if it's a glaringly bad fuckup or if it's repeated, i don't know exactly how it works in other fields but we somehow can build massive skyscrapers without them falling over from being designed by literal children i'm sure we can figure it out. fines, publication and tracking of ethics/professional violations, suspension of licensure, more fines, and in extreme cases lawsuits and jail time also having a continuous educational requirement means that the really big fuckups get examined over and over again as teaching moments for everyone in the industry at the required yearly professional conference or monthly luncheons or w/e
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Oct 6, 2015 07:42
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there will always be new and novel security flaws getting exploited. just like the history of construction involves quite a number of buildings falling over due to deficient designs. the important thing is to stop having the exact same flaws over and over again, which is something that construction has mostly solved but that computer nerds just can't quite figure out.
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Oct 6, 2015 08:11
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Jabor posted:there will always be new and novel security flaws getting exploited. just like the history of construction involves quite a number of buildings falling over due to deficient designs. yeah that's what i'm getting at, there will be unforeseeable serious issues with even the best design, there are in every field, but that makes up maybe like 2% of all actual corporate breaches these days and the rest is people leaving default credentials publicly accessible, people not knowing how the hell to write things that aren't full of SQL injections, and people getting calls that ask them for their password and being fine with that, etc. i get arguing about where the standards would actually stop and them not being 100% useful in every situation but christ there's a lot of low-hanging fruit that could be knocked out by even the most basic of tests and accountability methods.
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qirex posted:that was my whole point, how can you have a "union" when literally nobody does the same thing as anyone else qirex posted:I'd say the biggest challenge to labor organization isn't the work it's the fact that there aren't clear demarcations between "workers" and "bosses" in most modern companies, it's more of a slow gradient but then if someone higher isn't directly responsible for hiring, firing and setting the pay grades of those lower than them it's really not a big deal
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Oct 6, 2015 12:17
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:fines, publication and tracking of ethics/professional violations, suspension of licensure, more fines, and in extreme cases lawsuits and jail time all of this already exists note that you can be a "real" "engineer" who does real engineering work and you don't need a PE. industrial/manufacturing exemption etc. Many engineers that have PEs don't actually need them to do their current job.
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Oct 6, 2015 13:26
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i used to hear good things about red hat's certifications, are they actually any good?
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Oct 6, 2015 14:57
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:yeah that's what i'm getting at, there will be unforeseeable serious issues with even the best design, there are in every field, but that makes up maybe like 2% of all actual corporate breaches these days and the rest is people leaving default credentials publicly accessible, people not knowing how the hell to write things that aren't full of SQL injections, and people getting calls that ask them for their password and being fine with that, etc. i get arguing about where the standards would actually stop and them not being 100% useful in every situation but christ there's a lot of low-hanging fruit that could be knocked out by even the most basic of tests and accountability methods. a programmers union would be actively opposed to all of these things cause it would mean more work and theres no way you'd be able to get people to agree on what and how to do things. it would also be nearly impossible (and wrong) for the government to regulate certain standard mechanisms or processes since they will go out of date pretty much instantaneously. the right solution is to do what we've done in every other industry and put the liability on the companies housing the data. If there are actually harsh penalties for breaches then either the company does its best to manage risk and this works most of the time or the company is breached and they get penalized and victims are compensated.
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Oct 6, 2015 14:58
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lol. how long do you think programmers will need to get poo poo on before this whole it can't work in tech, these lessons don't apply to us, it's different here mentality finally goes away?
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Oct 6, 2015 15:13
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standards? we're too busy disrupting for standards!
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Oct 6, 2015 15:13
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the difference in capabilities across languages is enough to obliterate any attempts at standardization. unless you're saying java and c# only which then ok maybe that's a good starting point.
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Its not a "programming is art" thing its a "php litterrallly is designed for insecurity and instability but people still use it everywhere and you cant stop them" thing
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Oct 6, 2015 15:18
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Stringent posted:i used to hear good things about red hat's certifications, are they actually any good?
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Oct 6, 2015 15:21
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Shaggar posted:the difference in capabilities across languages is enough to obliterate any attempts at standardization. i think the only realistic certification system would have to be in individual frameworks/languages/technologies. if you tried to certify general development ability you just end up with fizzbuzz and implement a linked list. which is probably still better than not having anything, but vOv
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Oct 6, 2015 15:23
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:fines, publication and tracking of ethics/professional violations, suspension of licensure, more fines, and in extreme cases lawsuits and jail time maybe we should start this with cars? you basically don't need to be a PE to do anything that doesn't involve a fixed structure
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Shaggar posted:the difference in capabilities across languages is enough to obliterate any attempts at standardization. i'm referring to professional standards you don't see anyone advocating building a high rise with toothpicks now do you? likewise, you wouldn't get many people building mission critical systems with php if you didn't let every cs undergrad dipshit call themselves a programmer
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Shaggar posted:the difference in capabilities across languages is enough to obliterate any attempts at standardization. you can either test on fundamentals (algorithms, concepts, ethics, etc) or make domain specific tests its like someone saying that since sandstone and granite are sooooo different how could we ever standardize or test masons on their skills
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i work in a professional field with widely diverse material, yet somehow they manage to test and certify the professionals in a way that allows the profession a large degree of self regulation. idk maybe computer "professionals" should realize that they need a governing body as part of their recognition of their duty to the public at large.
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so did subjunctive finally give up on convincing us that he's one of the good ones
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