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Raising the prices of the Blitzer kinda makes all those teams invalid, that's the problem. If you don't want to start with Goblins in the team (which I'm not brave enough to do), you have to either sacrifice a reroll or a blitzer, and wait 3-4 matches until you have what you could get after only one match in the previous version (4 Blitzers, 3 RRs and an apothecary). It's not catastrophic but it is annoying. It also makes the Orc team less newbie friendly with one less block piece on the board, and causes TV bloat and bad rolls by having you get an extra lineorc instead of playing with no bench, like Nuffle intended. For what is worth, I agree that a third reroll is better than an extra block piece in this case.
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In my 1700TV match yesterday as Chaos vs Chaos I pretty much dominated the whole match, and won 2-0. However even though I certainly did more blocks than my opponent I only caused 2 injuries to his 5. And to make matters worse in turn 16 he outright killed my lvl 4 ball carrier, who -obviously- got MVP. Curse you Nuffle! A 5 Strength Chaos Warrior is REALLY strong though. I was planning on giving him tentacles, but Frenzy is also starting to sound very interesting. I am now starting to lose Beastmen to injuries (and Deaths) at 1700+ TV, And it is starting to hurt my progression. My 3 LoS dudes are my 3 Blodge Chaos Warriors. Should I rather put expendable Beastmen on the line? I also think I need more Guard in my team.
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Fat Samurai posted:Raising the prices of the Blitzer kinda makes all those teams invalid, that's the problem. If you don't want to start with Goblins in the team (which I'm not brave enough to do), you have to either sacrifice a reroll or a blitzer, and wait 3-4 matches until you have what you could get after only one match in the previous version (4 Blitzers, 3 RRs and an apothecary). I find it funny you think less orc players in this world is a bad thing.
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Oct 6, 2015 10:04
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I like Orcs.  They are bashy and I've done some stupid passing plays I had no business doing with them. Fat Samurai fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Oct 6, 2015 |
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Oct 6, 2015 10:06
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Evernoob posted:In my 1700TV match yesterday as Chaos vs Chaos I pretty much dominated the whole match, and won 2-0. You have entered the twilight years of your team where attrition meets advancement and your team value won't be going up anywhere near as fast as it did before. And yes you should be putting your 3 shittiest beastmen on the line, you really don't want to be losing your chaos warriors. Frequently high TV chaos on chaos games are won by getting the coinflip and the man advantage from the first set of 4 blocks, you don't want to be losing really important players in addition to the man advantage.
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Oct 6, 2015 10:28
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Fat Samurai posted:
There are no runners on an orc team. Also not starting with a troll? Ew. I started with 1 troll, 4 black orcs, 4 blitzers, 1 lineman, 1 gob, and 2 RR. For i think 990k or 100k. Yeah the first game fielding a goblin kind of sucks, but it's one game at the start and then you can buy a lineman to replace him, or a thrower if you do well on winnings. In any case, I can't understand either of your starts because you're missing the troll in both, and a blitzer in the one of them. I guess the cost is being eaten up by a thrower, which you really don't need early on. Or arguably ever. I'd have to go check the money, but I think you could get 4Bobs, 4 blitzers, and 3 linemen with 3RRs. That sounds like a better start if you really hate the troll.
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Oct 6, 2015 12:14
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Can't the troll throw the goblin? That's your thrower right there.
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Oct 6, 2015 12:16
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dogstile posted:Can't the troll throw the goblin? That's your thrower right there. Yup. And that is really the only reason to have a goblin on the roster. The fabled Orc One Turn Throw Teammate Touchdown.
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Oct 6, 2015 12:22
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It also makes sideline cages less attractive to the other guy.
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Oct 6, 2015 12:25
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Mr. Squishy posted:It also makes sideline cages less attractive to the other guy. The mythical Orc -2db crowd surfing of the ball carrier?
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I meant Thrower. Who shall never throw and always run with the ball if everything goes as planned. Brainfarts aside, the Also, stop trolling Steam threads, guys: some guy on Steam posted:Iīm an experienced high elo video games player. I didnīt known anything about the existance of the Blood Bowl saga until Blood Bowl 2 release, i bought it and iīve played 250 hrs until now, i think itīs fantatic, but there is a couple of rules that makes me think about stop playing this game anymore.
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Oct 6, 2015 12:53
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That cant be serious. I kind of hope it is... just so there is some sperg throwing a 'i wont play again and my friends wont see me play, and I'll tell them not to play your game' temper tantrum.
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Jade Star posted:The mythical Orc -2db crowd surfing of the ball carrier? -2db offers only a pow, push or stumbles 4 times out of 9. If it's early days and the ball carrier's not got block yet, that's 25/36 chance of them losing the ball. It's not something you bet your shirt on but it's hardly vanishingly small odds.
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Fat Samurai posted:I meant Thrower. Who shall never throw and always run with the ball if everything goes as planned. Brainfarts aside, the
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Only major bug in BB2 I've noticed is that interceptions don't reward spp. I call it major because my line elf intercepted a ball in two tackle zones and he should be rewarded for that dammit.  Also been playing high elves in NAF and Goddamn do I love that team. I do love the gimmicky players of dark elves but high elves are just so well rounded and their stupid hats are the best.
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Oct 6, 2015 13:36
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Jade Star posted:some sperg throwing a 'i wont play again and my friends wont see me play, and I'll tell them not to play your game' temper tantrum. On that note, a reminder for everyone: Y'all are welcome in #tgbloodbowl. Goons are looking for BB2 matches in here and getting a lot of silence or sperg grumbling for their trouble. Even if you're content to spin NAF, the channel has a helpful bot for looking up skill descriptions on the fly. Just type !shadowing, !juggernaut, !stunty, etc
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Tekopo posted:want to face this guy so that cyanide can kill even more of his dudes I want to t16 foul him.
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Oct 6, 2015 14:01
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dogstile posted:I want to t16 foul him. This very much. I do agree that if they want a real "competitive scene" for this game they would have to allow you to create a custom made team with each skill you give to your players representing a fixed TV increase, and have a defined TV cap for each match. But do people really want that? It appears that he only enjoys playing his team when every player has 5+ skills and is fully templated. On the contrary I find the games much more interesting in the 1700 range where some of the players have gotten 2-3 skills, with maybe one star with 4 skills and other player lacking behind with only one skill. Then you actually have to make choices, and can work against the weaknesses of your opponent. If every player has Block/Dodge/Guard and 2 dedicated skills, the game actually becomes LESS about Coach skill and MORE about pure dice luck of getting POW's. With unfinished teams you can seek to exploit the weaknesses in the enemy roster like targetting their "untanked" players first.
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It's true, we need more players for BB2 Goonleague. Shoot Brassherald or myself a PM and we'll add your team. Also, few things are funnier than surfing a 3 star Minotaur (for an injury) with a beastman in revenge for his fellow goatdude. Managed to beat a 1400 chaos team with my 1020 chaos 2-0. Poor bastard had no idea how to properly play the ball.
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Can you use piling on after wrestle? If yes, can you also use it during the opponent's turn if he both downs your wrestler?
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My beastmen are really starting to die/get badly injured a lot. I think my skills (both player and coaching) are not yet sufficient to play at 1800+ with this first team. Is it considered bad sport to fire your skilled up beastmen to reduce your TV to the 1400 range while keeping my strong Chaos Warriors and Minotaur? Cash is becoming an issue and playing with Loners sucks rear end. (I actually wasted a reroll not realizing I GFI'd with a loner)
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Donnerberg posted:Can you use piling on after wrestle? No? Wrestle doesn't cause an armor roll.
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Donnerberg posted:Can you use piling on after wrestle? No, I'm fairly sure your player can not be prone to use PO. Better question would be if when an opponent skulls, if you can PO in response. I think the answer is no though as PO says you have to down a player after blocking him.
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Rygar201 posted:No? Wrestle doesn't cause an armor roll. Okay, thanks. You saved me from messing up a player more than normal. I thought I'd seen wrestle into piling on in Cyanid's BB1, but it's been a while since I played it.
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Evernoob posted:This very much. This is basically how the IRL NAF tournament rules are set up. You get to put whatever skills on whatever players with a few limitations and under a certain TV, usually allowing higher TV and more skills as you progress. All players also regen between games. It should be no surprise that Amazons win a lot. Also to the guy asking, piling on does not work with wrestle. Wrestle explicitly states there is no armour roll, so nothing to reroll.
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Evernoob posted:My beastmen are really starting to die/get badly injured a lot. I think my skills (both player and coaching) are not yet sufficient to play at 1800+ with this first team. Not at all, that's actually how I play my Bret team. Fire any peasant who actually levels up, because they're only there as fodder anyway. Aside from the kick/kick off return/dirty player guys. But that's three peasants with one skill and a couple of injurys anyway, so they don't add to my TV. dogstile fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Oct 6, 2015 |
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dogstile posted:I want to t16 foul him. Me too.
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How do you play your LoS linemen when playing elves or similar against a very bashy team, when you pretty much only get -2db? Ignore the LoS (just stand up when possible) and divert away the action as much as possible from that horrible place?
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So listen If someone wanted to start playing bb2 where would you start? Jump in and get slaughtered? Are there any decent starting guides floating around?
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Evernoob posted:How do you play your LoS linemen when playing elves or similar against a very bashy team, when you pretty much only get -2db? Throw on a few sacrifices and hope they don't get chewed up to bad. Mr.Boofu posted:So listen Honestly i'd just jump right in after reading the following: 1. If you gently caress up an action and a player falls over/drops the ball, its the other persons turn 2. Do the least dangerous actions first. Stand players up before throwing blocks, etc. 3. You get to use a reroll once per turn (not counting skills that auto reroll) no matter how many you have 4. Punch people very hard in the face, don't click on skulls thinking it'll hurt them like I did the first time I played BB. Have fun. dogstile fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Oct 6, 2015 |
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Mr.Boofu posted:So listen That's what I did day 1 of release when most opponents were BB veterans., and look how well I ended up.. *cough*
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I feel really bad for new coaches who play skaven. I just played a game with my chaos team that had all of 1 beastman with block against a skaven team that had blodge on every gutter runner and guard on a blitzer. He proceeded to pick up the ball with a loner and try 2 33% dodges in a row, then never stand his players up and let me score twice in the first half. Then he conceded. It was painful.
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Mr.Boofu posted:So listen You should start by either reading the 6th edition rules (search for Living Rulebook Bloodbowl) or watching this video by cKnoor. Once you know the rules, this has good general tips, starting roster examples, etc. Jump into the IRC channel and ask questions, there should be people around. VVVVVV 
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e: ^^^  Mr.Boofu posted:So listen While it was for Blood Bowl 1, cKnoor's LP is a fantastic way to dive right into the deep end with it. If you want to just play, though, I would start with either Orcs or Dark Elves and get a feel for the game. Dogstile posted some great rules of thumb as well. Think about your assists and how you can successfully get as many 2 dice blocks as possible, learn risk management, and don't get upset when your star player trips and breaks their neck on a going for it. Also does anyone have any  on Brets? They seem like a weird team but I want to give them a try.
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Evernoob posted:How do you play your LoS linemen when playing elves or similar against a very bashy team, when you pretty much only get -2db? When no lineman have skills, just put the ones with less spp on that line. Dodge them one square back on the end of your turn. First lineman that gets a skill is the lucky one, he gets kick. Next tree get wrestle and are now there to see if you are lucky enough on the enemy first turn to get someone down and open a hole. I would still dodge them back at the end of the turn though.
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ZenVulgarity posted:Why are things like pro no longer an option It is. But it has never been a min-max option for the serious player in anything but niche circumstances. You can take it if you want, of course. Funso Banjo fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Oct 6, 2015 |
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Anything is an option, one day I really want to get lucky enough to get a +1 agi pass block catch krox. Its just realistically i'm going for the skills i'll use every turn, rather than every few turns.
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i once made a pro elf team where everyone's first skill was pro, no exceptions i called it the proelffessionals as you can probably guess, most of my turns ended with someone flat on their rear end, with "PRO" hanging over their head.
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Velocity Raptor posted:*Good Skaven Advice* The key with both elf and skaven teams is to basically just force the other player to roll a bunch of dice. You do your 2db when you can, and dodge when you can't. The second the ball hits the ground, you grab that ball and if you have played correctly, you have a player in position to run all the way to the other side of the field where he can't touch you. This is the quintessential skaven bullshit play. Also, I highly recommend starting with a rogre. Yes, he'll fail a bunch of rolls. But he has wild animal and prehensile tail, so players have to really think before they try to dodge away. And he is the only natural source of St 5 on the team. WIth St 2 gunner, you're going to need all the help you can get.
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