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12 countries' representatives enter with ideas that are mutually opposed, foes. They leave having reached a compromise and opening doors that were previously closed, bros. A new Pacific trading pact that gives American corporations unprecedented power and the ability to do what they want, The rest of Asia gets more competitive with China, but listen, here's the piece de resistance. No one else was in the room where it happened, the room where it happened, the room where it happened. No one really knows how the game is played, the art of the trade how the sausage gets made. We just assume that it happened. But no one else was in the room where it happened.
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Fojar38 posted:an agreement nobody has read. Congratulations on locating the problem. Maybe we could read it now? Does that bullshit "well nobody ever gets to read these things" time period ever expire?
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Oct 6, 2015 16:06
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Revenue minus operating expenses is probably a better guide. The profit number is dragged down by lots of stuff.
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Oct 6, 2015 16:07
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How much discretion does a multinational like BP have over their profit statement?
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Oct 6, 2015 16:07
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zoux posted:How much discretion does a multinational like BP have over their profit statement? A lot. Depreciation of assets alone with a company this big can swing things considerably, and there are multiple ways one gets to calculate depreciation. edit: Here is the BP annual report for 2014 if anyone really wants to delve into it. http://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/pdf/investors/BP_Annual_Report_and_Form_20F_2014.pdf
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Oct 6, 2015 16:08
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Deepwater Horizon on its face looked like a massive idiotic gently caress up rife with negligence. Then I read a couple books on it and the depths of idiocy and negligence combined with exploiting regulatory loopholes know no bounds.
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Oct 6, 2015 16:09
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Radbot posted:Congratulations on locating the problem. Maybe we could read it now? Does that bullshit "well nobody ever gets to read these things" time period ever expire?
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Oct 6, 2015 16:13
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Radbot posted:Congratulations on locating the problem. Maybe we could read it now? Does that bullshit "well nobody ever gets to read these things" time period ever expire? Yes, when it's done and goes up for a vote/approval. Negotiations are negotiations, you leak the stuff you don't like to use as leverage, you don't leak the stuff you like because you don't want the others to question having it in. The main issue is who does the negotiation, in this case it was a lot of industry reps and almost no public advocates, that never leads to good things for the public.
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Oct 6, 2015 16:14
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Yeah I guess my problem is with the entire concept of negotiations this far-reaching being private, I don't give an actual gently caress about "b-b-but talking about it would give a leg up to the Chinamen!!"
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Oct 6, 2015 16:16
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Raerlynn posted:Again, if you can prove that the person in question knew full well that it was a hospital, and you can prove that enemy fire wasn't coming from the facility, and you can prove that knowing all this he gave the order, then you'd have a case. If any part of that chain breaks down though, you have nothing. No, you have a bombed MSF hospital. That an injustice has been committed, the feeling that nobody will get properly punished for this, and the fact that it will happen again because the guys in the chain of command do not fear being loving tried as war criminals no matter what, it's what is making people angry.
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Oct 6, 2015 16:17
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Radbot posted:Yeah I guess my problem is with the entire concept of negotiations this far-reaching being private, I don't give an actual gently caress about "b-b-but talking about it would give a leg up to the Chinamen!!" Why is negotiating in private a problem if the text is made public at the end, before states vote on adopting it? mastervj posted:That an injustice has been committed, the feeling that nobody will get properly punished for this, and the fact that it will happen again because the guys in the chain of command do not fear being loving tried as war criminals no matter what, it's what is making people angry. I have never understood how people make this leap from A Bad Thing Happened to A Crime Must Have Been Committed, and the only fair outcome is for someone to be punished. Especially given that we don't even know all the facts yet.
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Oct 6, 2015 16:24
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Oklahoma finally removed the monument of the Ten Commandments that was on the Capitol grounds. Hilariously the monument hasn't even been paid for yet.quote:Incidentally, a Red Dirt Report reader who contacted Kansas-based Wilbert Memorials this week, said he talked to spokesman Gary Mosier about the new monument - inquiring if some or all of the bill for the monument had been paid for yet - and was told by Mosier that Wilbert Memorials has not been paid for creating the new monument.  I love the shadow. 
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Oct 6, 2015 16:28
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Kro-Bar posted:Oklahoma finally removed the monument of the Ten Commandments that was on the Capitol grounds. Hilariously the monument hasn't even been paid for yet. "Hmm, forgive us our debts?" 
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Oct 6, 2015 16:30
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Dead Reckoning posted:Why is negotiating in private a problem if the text is made public at the end, before states vote on adopting it? Because there may be good parts of the trade deal, along with very bad parts, and forcing someone to take the whole pill "as is" may not be a good way to implement policy?
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Oct 6, 2015 16:30
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If you're a remotely decent businessperson, why are you doing a job like that without getting paid?
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Oct 6, 2015 16:30
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Hollismason posted:What's the word on the TPP and regulation of medications. I know this is something that the medical industry has tried to go after before which was medical tourism. Have they released anything of the sort? Basically a while back there was some talk of your price for treatment in certain countries may depend on your passport. Uh, the major medical tourism countries already ask for more money from Joe American then from a guy who lived his whole life in the same country as the doctor. The change would be if there was some treaty or whatever that mandated people from all countries must pay the same price. Regardless, here's the countries actually in TPP: Brunei, Chile, New Zealand, Singapore, Australia, Canada, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, United States, Vietnam The only one of those that's actually popular for medical tourism at the moment is Mexico, Singapore, maaaybe Malaysia. The other real big time ones like Thailand, India, Brazil aren't party to it. FlamingLiberal posted:The text will not be public for 5 or 6 years Who told you this? It is required that it have the text made public for at least 30 days before the Congress can vote on it, and I doubt that's going to take 5 years.
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Oct 6, 2015 16:41
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By the way we are now on Us Bombed hospital Pentagon fabrication number 4 in 4 days.
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Oct 6, 2015 16:51
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euphronius posted:By the way we are now on Us Bombed hospital Pentagon fabrication number 4 in 4 days. you know, you'd sound less like a crazy person if you had any sort of proof to back up your crazy statements, but as is, you're just crazy
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Oct 6, 2015 16:54
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Trabisnikof posted:you know, you'd sound less like a crazy person if you had any sort of proof to back up your crazy statements, but as is, you're just crazy http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/06/doctors-without-borders-airstrike-afghanistan-us-account-changes-again
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Oct 6, 2015 16:55
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Trabisnikof posted:you know, you'd sound less like a crazy person if you had any sort of proof to back up your crazy statements, but as is, you're just crazy Naw, let him think we were just out looking for hospitals to bomb and MSF was the first one we came across, it makes him happy.
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Oct 6, 2015 16:56
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Kro-Bar posted:Oklahoma finally removed the monument of the Ten Commandments that was on the Capitol grounds. Hilariously the monument hasn't even been paid for yet. Does this mean no Ganesh statue either? 
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Oct 6, 2015 16:57
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duz posted:Naw, let him think we were just out looking for hospitals to bomb and MSF was the first one we came across, it makes him happy. It was the only one so yeah I guess it was the first . Now there are no more hospitals to threaten American hospital hegemony.
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Oct 6, 2015 16:57
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euphronius posted:http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/06/doctors-without-borders-airstrike-afghanistan-us-account-changes-again oh right, that doesn't say anything of what you're claiming: quote:Shifting the US account of the Saturday morning airstrike for the fourth time in as many days, Campbell reiterated that Afghan forces had requested US air cover after being engaged in a “tenacious fight” to retake the northern city of Kunduz from the Taliban. But, modifying the account he gave at a press conference on Monday, Campbell said those Afghan forces had not directly communicated with the US pilots of an AC-130 gunship overhead. euphronius posted:It was the only one so yeah I guess it was the first The fact that you can't come up with a motivation is part of why your conspiracy theory makes no sense.
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Oct 6, 2015 16:59
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FlamingLiberal posted:If you're a remotely decent businessperson, why are you doing a job like that without getting paid? When the opportunity to stick up for are freedoms presents itself, you deal with those trivialities after.
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Oct 6, 2015 17:00
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Ok ill go slow "But modifying" is an important clause there you may want to consider.
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Oct 6, 2015 17:00
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So is the conspiracy theory that a hospital got bombed? I'm pretty sure a hospital got bombed.
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Oct 6, 2015 17:02
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euphronius posted:Ok ill go slow Please tell me what exactly was fabricated, I'll wait since you're going slow. Tesseraction posted:So is the conspiracy theory that a hospital got bombed? I'm pretty sure a hospital got bombed. The conspiracy theory is that the hospital got bombed because the Pentagon wanted to bomb the hospital and knew there was no threat and the U.S. was just being evil.
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Oct 6, 2015 17:02
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Ok fair enough. The first three stories were fabrication. THIS one is true however. I have faith they found the truth.
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Oct 6, 2015 17:03
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euphronius posted:Ok ill go slow Clarification is not modification. Before, they said Afghans called in the strikes. Which everyone in here who has an idea of how things actually work pointed out doesn't mean they are talking directly to the planes in the sky. There is no modification in what was stated, it was just clarifying that, "yes, they called in the strike, but they don't call it directly to our craft, we still give the actual order, don't misconstrue that".
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Oct 6, 2015 17:05
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Well to be honest the 'US is evil' theory would just be: There's a hospital there -> that's where our wounded enemies will congregate -> get 'em while they're down. It'd still be stupid since MSF are basically the closest you can get to angels on this grey earth so bombing them would ... well cause the poo poo show we've seen now. I'm pretty sure euph's suggestion is that the Pentagon are making poo poo up to try and cover up their massive gently caress-up.
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Oct 6, 2015 17:05
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I have no idea why the U.S. Military intentionally destroyed a hospital. I could guess but I don't know.
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Oct 6, 2015 17:07
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Oh Ben. You're the doctor of my heart.
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Oct 6, 2015 17:11
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Tesseraction posted:I'm pretty sure euph's suggestion is that the Pentagon are making poo poo up to try and cover up their massive gently caress-up. No, he just doesn't realize that there 'intentional' can mean multiple things.
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Oct 6, 2015 17:12
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euphronius posted:I have no idea why the U.S. Military intentionally destroyed a hospital. I could guess but I don't know. How could you rape and murder a small child. I'm not saying you did rape and murder a small child, nor do I have evidence of it. I'm just asking why you would do such a thing. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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What definition of intentional should I be using.
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Oct 6, 2015 17:14
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euphronius posted:What definition of intentional should I be using. 'never' They never destroyed the hospital. (Perfidious Afghans!!)
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Oct 6, 2015 17:15
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euphronius posted:Ok fair enough. The first three stories were fabrication. THIS one is true however. I have faith they found the truth. Please, tell me specifically what was fabricated in the first three stories. Should be easy, since you claim there are examples in all three.
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Slickdrac posted:How could you rape and murder a small child. I'm not saying you did rape and murder a small child, nor do I have evidence of it. I'm just asking why you would do such a thing. Yeah but we are actually saying the US destroyed a hospital, and they objectively did, so your silly rhetorical device kinda falls down there
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euphronius posted:What definition of intentional should I be using. It is correct to say 'the US destroyed a hospital'. It is correct to say 'the US intentionally destroyed a building'. It is correct to say 'the US intentionally destroyed a building, and it was a hospital'. It is not correct to say 'the US intentionally destroyed a hospital'. (Contingent on further information) The difference lies in the the US's knowledge of the hospital at the time of the strike.
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Trabisnikof posted:Please, tell me specifically what was fabricated in the first three stories. Should be easy, since you claim there are examples in all three. For one, there weren't any shots coming from the hospital like they claimed.
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