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Cleretic posted:Today I learned that Sophie Stone, the woman playing Cass in the ongoing two-parter, is actually deaf. And is also a legitimate actor. She's going entirely without her hearing aid for the role (because Cass wouldn't have one), and had to work with the guy playing her interpreter to invent whole new signs for words like 'prototype'. For anyone who's seen Babylon 5, the now departed Richard Biggs (who played Doctor Franklin) was deaf and had to use visual cues to know when to come in with his lines. Trin Tragula posted:This is the same Eric Saward whose only problem with writing for the logical, emotionless Cybermen was that they were logical and emotionless, correct? Quite so. Or, perhaps, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3od0CeSqFcA
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Oct 7, 2015 13:45
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I quite enjoy how in "Attack of the Cybermen" the Cyber-Leader continues to proclaim things "EXCELLENT!" even as his schemes fall apart around him.
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Oct 7, 2015 13:52
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CobiWann posted:If the Doctor has “attack eyebrows,” what name would we give this gentleman’s? Groucho Marx like.
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Oct 7, 2015 14:04
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah, I'm far more inclined to think this is just down to the Rugby, though we'll get a better idea now that England are basically dead. That's what I'm hoping. I find it interesting though that most of the press reporting on this speculate that this could lead to the Beeb making another Year of Specials, even though that this was rumored well before the ratings came out and was probably another Moffat fuckup somehow?
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CobiWann posted:If the Doctor has “attack eyebrows,” what name would we give this gentleman’s? The Eyebrows of Reasonable Comfort.
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Oct 7, 2015 14:31
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Espilae posted:I'm a little worried it's because the tumblr girlfans have left in droves because they can't ship the Doctor anymore. Did you crosspost this from Gallifreybase? This isn't the '80s, a show can live off a hardcore fanbase these days, and besides that more people are watching via the Internet than ever before. Lower ratings are not a good barometer of a show's success, at least not on their own.
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Oct 7, 2015 15:17
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Am I a horrible person for really enjoying Talons of Weng Chiang?
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Oct 7, 2015 15:19
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Kikka posted:Am I a horrible person for really enjoying Talons of Weng Chiang? It’s one of the best Who stories ever if you can get past the casual racism.
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Oct 7, 2015 15:26
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Kikka posted:Am I a horrible person for really enjoying Talons of Weng Chiang? No, it's a really good story, in spite of, well, you know.
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Oct 7, 2015 15:26
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misadventurous posted:Did you crosspost this from Gallifreybase? Really, I suspect the show's audience is pretty stable, and the BBC really needs to get up to date on how they're measuring ratings. I know they factor in iPlayer views now, but all these "no one is watching doctor who anymore!" claims are coming from people looking at the overnights. I have no clue how seriously the BBC take overnights these days, and if they do, they shouldn't.
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Oct 7, 2015 15:29
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Kikka posted:Am I a horrible person for really enjoying Talons of Weng Chiang? It's the whole John Carter of Mars, novels not the movie, thing This is a good story that is entertaining and good Shame about the very unfortunate racism that comes up. Either you can look past it or it taints it. The fact that you can acknowledge it is important enough.
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Oct 7, 2015 15:40
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HD DAD posted:Really, I suspect the show's audience is pretty stable, and the BBC really needs to get up to date on how they're measuring ratings. I know they factor in iPlayer views now, but all these "no one is watching doctor who anymore!" claims are coming from people looking at the overnights. I have no clue how seriously the BBC take overnights these days, and if they do, they shouldn't. Also, again, we're getting scared of ratings for when Doctor Who is going up against England playing rugby. It was still in the right spot ratings-wise for the first episode, and internationally it's still sitting where it should be. It's not a ratings winner by any means down here in Australia, since it's on the ABC which aren't allowed to advertise (their charter is stricter than the BBC's in terms of real-world advertising, too), and it's going up against both a hit talent reality show and a hit home renovation reality show, but it still manages a solid audience.
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Oct 7, 2015 15:52
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Burkion posted:It's the whole John Carter of Mars, novels not the movie, thing To be fair they make fun of British people a very good amount in the serial. Pretty much every character is an ugly simpleton who goes "ay guv!". Doesn't excuse the secondary villain and his faction being literal slant eyed fu-manchu flied lice types. (I did notice that Li H'sen Chang only does the r to l thing while doing his theater performance)
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Oct 7, 2015 15:58
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Cleretic posted:Also, again, we're getting scared of ratings for when Doctor Who is going up against England playing rugby. It was still in the right spot ratings-wise for the first episode, and internationally it's still sitting where it should be. It's not a ratings winner by any means down here in Australia, since it's on the ABC which aren't allowed to advertise (their charter is stricter than the BBC's in terms of real-world advertising, too), and it's going up against both a hit talent reality show and a hit home renovation reality show, but it still manages a solid audience. You know, it would be smart for the BBC to get rid of region restrictions on iPlayer. I know a bunch of people, me included, who catch the show via alternative methods, but I bet you viewing figures would explode if it were opened worldwide without the use of a proxy. I have no clue what kind of licensing that would involve and if that even works within their charter, but that's the way television is watched nowadays.
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Oct 7, 2015 16:24
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Oct 7, 2015 17:20
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pinacotheca posted:I like Resurrection much more than I should. It's relentlessly bleak (e.g. the body count, the effects of the Daleks' poison gas on the space prison crew, the nihilistic offing of the riverside detectorist etc.) which really works well with the overcast gritty location filming. Having Tegan leave at the end of the story due to the bleakness is almost like the programme holding its hands up and admitting it might have gone too far this time. How about some Peter Wyngarde in Lanzarote to lighten things up? I think a lot of it comes from how well the tone and themes connect. The Saward era made a lot more sense to me once I began comparing it to British comics I've read from the same period. The paranoia that fuels season 21 is in full force here, with both mind control and body duplication present - the forces of strength and uniformity either compel the individual to their will or kill them, and this happens from all sides - Davros doesn't give his renegade Daleks free will, he converts them to his own form of uniformity. (Ironically, said forces are ultimately wiped out by a virus, the ultimate form of impersonal destruction.) For both Davros and the Daleks, agency is the true threat, one reason that Turlough shines so strongly in this story - there never was a companion so dedicated to going his own way. Yes, the Doctor is sidelined, but what's important is that it all comes down to him convincing someone that, yes, they really do have a choice - and this power is just as destructive as the Daleks think it is. The atmosphere in this one is dead on - the damp grimness of the earth scenes versus the hospital sterility of the Dalek ship, the creepy music (which I'm listening to right now), the... bubble wrap. The script is a total mess, but I think it achieves what it sets out to do.
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Oct 7, 2015 17:54
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misadventurous posted:Did you crosspost this from Gallifreybase? GallifreyBase are setting up a Doctor Who-themed version of the QI podcast. It's called "No Such Thing As A Black Kaled". 
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Oct 7, 2015 18:00
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After The War posted:I think a lot of it comes from how well the tone and themes connect. The Saward era made a lot more sense to me once I began comparing it to British comics I've read from the same period. The paranoia that fuels season 21 is in full force here, with both mind control and body duplication present - the forces of strength and uniformity either compel the individual to their will or kill them, and this happens from all sides - Davros doesn't give his renegade Daleks free will, he converts them to his own form of uniformity. (Ironically, said forces are ultimately wiped out by a virus, the ultimate form of impersonal destruction.) For both Davros and the Daleks, agency is the true threat, one reason that Turlough shines so strongly in this story - there never was a companion so dedicated to going his own way. The confrontation of the Doctor and Davros is still one of my favorite Who bits. "I wouldn't know what to do with an army", says he, sending two armed friends on a guerrilla mission.
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Oct 7, 2015 18:17
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Oct 7, 2015 18:40
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ookiimarukochan posted:Big Finish are doing a War Doctor drama with John Hurt which is probably the biggest thing they've ever done, right? Well there hasn't been an official confirmation yet; but supposedly they're also doing some 10/Donna dramas.
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Oct 7, 2015 18:41
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Printing error? Should have got the Doctor Who thread on SA to help you Was a case of the specialised digital flatbed we use locally breaking down on a thursday night with just a friday to get 20-odd panels printed elsewhere in a different way - if I remember right, onto clear vinyl which looked great when not backlit, and even in person, but obviously the exposure was bumped on the camera making them blow out a bit. First episode we shot of this series, though, so a bit of a learning curve for me. Now every printing company in Cardiff hates me! The_Doctor posted:When they pushed buttons, they lit up. Was that digital effects added afterwards? It was, which I didn't know about until I saw the preview and I was very pelased with how they did it (and how well the actor 'used' the panels) Patrovsky posted:The important question is, what do the rest of the cards say? I shaln't say because it would be nice if they came back and I don't want to spoil things. The_Doctor posted:Cass' translator, Lunn, has the most amazing eyebrows. I'm guessing you're rooting for Tamal tonight then?
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ookiimarukochan posted:Big Finish are doing a War Doctor drama with John Hurt which is probably the biggest thing they've ever done, right? It’s safe to say so! John Hurt is a huge name in British acting as well as being known all over the world. He’s easily the biggest star Big Finish has ever signed.
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Oct 7, 2015 19:08
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I still can't believe that we're getting War Doctor audios. December can't come quickly enough.
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Oct 7, 2015 19:15
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MrL_JaKiri posted:For anyone who's seen Babylon 5, the now departed Richard Biggs (who played Doctor Franklin) was deaf and had to use visual cues to know when to come in with his lines.  Holy poo poo, I had no idea, that's incredible.
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echoplex posted:I'm guessing you're rooting for Tamal tonight then? You don't know me!  
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qntm posted:I don't know, cancellation is the Doctor's oldest and greatest nemesis. "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!" \/  dun dun DA dun! dun dun DA dun! 
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qntm posted:I don't know, cancellation is the Doctor's oldest and greatest nemesis. I bet I know Cancellation's sidekick! Whitehouse! Am I right??
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Oct 8, 2015 02:43
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I rather liked the music for this episode. Some interesting moody stuff.
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Oct 8, 2015 06:27
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Cleretic posted:Well, it does come into play in a greater way than that; she's the one that reads the ghost's lip movements, because deaf people are so used to doing that. Which is basically the best way to write her, since it gives her deafness a greater purpose in the story without making her a victim, of course, but also without creating some extraordinary circumstance where deafness is magically the best asset to have. Hold up, these are alien ghosts that appear to be speaking normally but no sound comes out of their mouths. What exactly qualifies as an "extraordinary circumstance where deafness is magically the best asset to have" if that doesn't?
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Chairman Mao posted:Hold up, these are alien ghosts that appear to be speaking normally but no sound comes out of their mouths. What exactly qualifies as an "extraordinary circumstance where deafness is magically the best asset to have" if that doesn't? Plenty of people can lipread who aren't deaf and I'm pretty sure not all deaf people can lipread. I'd read "magical circumstance where deafness is the best attribute to have" as something like the sirens from the Odyssey. This was a situation where someone who was deaf would be likely to have the skillset necessary but not necessarily and a non-deaf character could also have potentially done it.
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Organza Quiz posted:Plenty of people can lipread who aren't deaf and I'm pretty sure not all deaf people can lipread. I'd read "magical circumstance where deafness is the best attribute to have" as something like the sirens from the Odyssey. This was a situation where someone who was deaf would be likely to have the skillset necessary but not necessarily and a non-deaf character could also have potentially done it. Yeah, this is what I meant. We aren't dealing with 'good thing we have a deaf person to handle this specific, fantastical situation', they're just relying on the girl whose experiences give her a certain skill, and her experience happens to be deafness. It's a very respectful way to do it, since the fact she's ultimately doing something very simple and realistic to contribute (reading the lip movements of people we can't hear) implies far more respect for deaf people than 'we invented some otherworldly creature that only deaf people can stand against'.
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Chairman Mao posted:Hold up, these are alien ghosts that appear to be speaking normally but no sound comes out of their mouths. What exactly qualifies as an "extraordinary circumstance where deafness is magically the best asset to have" if that doesn't? A sound that makes you die
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MrL_JaKiri posted:A sound that makes you die Don't listen. Listen and you're dead.
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Recently saw the film Legend in the cinema, about infamous east end London gangsters the Cray Twins. Amazing film, pretty dark, but there's one hilarious bit where one brother sees the other talking across a bar and he wonders what he's talking about... so he asks a friend to read his brother's lips. The results are 0% accurate! MrL_JaKiri posted:For anyone who's seen Babylon 5, the now departed Richard Biggs (who played Doctor Franklin) was deaf and had to use visual cues to know when to come in with his lines. That is amazing! (Though when I get round to re-watching B5, I'm totally gonna be looking for signs of that now, gah!) I'm guessing he wasn't deaf from birth, as his pronunciation of words is perfectly normal.
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In a related note, I work at a non-profit for people with a hearing loss (we aren't supposed to say "hard of hearing" any more for.... some reason), and while we don't have as much crossover with the Deaf community, there are quite a few people involved who sign, especially younger folks who don't care about the schism between deaf people and people who use hearing aids. Anyway, one of my co-workers helps run our fundraising walks, and shared this video of Sophie Stone and Zaqi Ismail discussing the episode on the walk FB page... only to be bombarded by angry messages because the video wasn't captioned. 
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Oct 8, 2015 13:53
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Fil5000 posted:Don't listen. Listen and you're dead. 
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Fil5000 posted:Don't listen. Listen and you're dead.
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After The War posted:Anyway, one of my co-workers helps run our fundraising walks, and shared this video of Sophie Stone and Zaqi Ismail discussing the episode on the walk FB page... only to be bombarded by angry messages because the video wasn't captioned. Someone else had the same issue. Here you go: link
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After The War posted:In a related note, I work at a non-profit for people with a hearing loss (we aren't supposed to say "hard of hearing" any more for.... some reason), and while we don't have as much crossover with the Deaf community, there are quite a few people involved who sign, especially younger folks who don't care about the schism between deaf people and people who use hearing aids. I watched this video about Stone. It is both subtitled and has a BSL translator on-screen. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0346nnh
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