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Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


NorgLyle posted:

I feel like this is a trap sprung waiting to happen.

Knowing the difference between two awesome campy zombie game series isn't much of a trap sprung.

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Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

A Tin Of Beans posted:

I'm really digging on that Red Sonja. :swoon: I'm glad they swapped out the chainmail bikini for the chainmail ... whatever-it-is there with the sideboob and all. I get that chainmail bikinis are a pulp staple/cliche, but boy howdy is it nice seeing something that manages to bring variety and remain good looking. The cape feels weather-appropriate but can still be thrown back to show off all the skin the chainmail doesn't cover. It all seems pretty functional and believable without sacrificing looks, at least in my opinion. I guess maybe it'll be too un-sexy for some readers, but ... that's stupid. Outfit's still plenty revealing, just feels a lot more like she could actually survive outdoors. The redesign is honestly making me think I should get off my rear end and read some drat Red Sonja finally.

Vampirella is ... ugh. I don't like that redesign. It's like they looked around at other redesigns happening and just kind of shrugged and went as generic as possible. I guess it does read OK for what she does, but I'm not getting a lot of personality besides "goth chick who hunts monsters I guess." Everything about it feels derivative.

Dejah Thoris mostly works for me, but I'm not liking the flat line of her costume above the belly button. I want some more ornamentation above the bare skin. Even just make the leather tattered to break up that straight line, I don't know. I'm fine with the skin showing, it just feels ... lazy, as-is? Especially compared to how interesting the rest of the outfit looks. I'm really hung up on this one part of the costume because it's dumb and bad.

Anyway, it is 2015 and I am employed so take that I guess.

Ahem:
Dear Mr Asynchronous Glob,

Here is an example as you asked for, of a lady-type-person who is being made more likely to buy Dynamite Comics' products because of these changes.

Thank you, your friend, Gaz-L.

(Also A Tin Of Beans? You should totally read Simone's run on Red Sonja. She doesn't wear the bikini for half of it anyway, and the second arc in particular is a great 'assembling the crew' narrative which allows for great little done-in-one stories that tie together at the end. )

SirDan3k
Jan 6, 2001

Trust me, you are taking this a lot more seriously then I am.
Yeah, playing Resident Evil is apparently the key to the Vamperlla redesign becoming generic looking for you.

I'd still put it as the lowest effort of them.

Red Bones
Aug 9, 2012

"I think he's a bad enough person to stay ghost through his sheer love of child-killing."

That Vampirella costume is real bad imo. I dunno who Vampirella is and the costume isn't communicating information that helps me understand who she is and what she does in the way that Red Sonja's does (she's a barbarian!), and communicating information about a character to the audience is literally the #1 job of a character design. Like, it's some kind of gothy, schoolgirl-y exercise wear, maybe, With some weapons sorta strapped to it and logo on the back. Her weird little jumpsuit thing is overdesigned and also doesn't really correlate with any real world clothing apart from maybe like, rock climbing clothes or something? I guess with different shoes she'd look like a vampire rock climber.

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Red Bones posted:

the costume isn't communicating information that helps me understand who she is and what she does

How could you ever try communicating more than this costume does?

Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Oct 7, 2015

SirDan3k
Jan 6, 2001

Trust me, you are taking this a lot more seriously then I am.
I'm gonna get super real for a minute.

That costume perfectly communicates what the character is and her purpose and we all know it.

Red Bones
Aug 9, 2012

"I think he's a bad enough person to stay ghost through his sheer love of child-killing."

SirDan3k posted:

I'm gonna get super real for a minute.

That costume perfectly communicates what the character is and her purpose and we all know it.

Yeah her original design is a very good design because it fulfills the brief of "vampire pinup girl"perfectly. Like, in design terms, it's working perfectly as intended.

Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger

SirDan3k posted:

I'm gonna get super real for a minute.

That costume perfectly communicates what the character is and her purpose and we all know it.

I'm just looking at those shoes like :magical:

She will never be able to walk flat footed again. Very tragic. :smith:

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Red Bones posted:

Yeah her original design is a very good design because it fulfills the brief of "vampire pinup girl"perfectly. Like, in design terms, it's working perfectly as intended.

For all I know, there could be a long stretch of Vampirella that was written by Alan Moore and is pure genius, but all I know about her is what I get from seeing covers and posters and dolls in comic-book shops: vampire pinup girl.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Teenage Fansub posted:

How could you ever try communicating more than this costume does?


Somewhere, Frank Cho is furiously scribbling pornos to piss off SJWs.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Interestingly, the original Vampirella design was done by a woman - Trina Robbins, which probably explains that, as skimpy as it is, it's the rare case of a comic book pin-up outfit that looks like it might actually be a real (albeit hugely impractical for anything but sexin') garment.

The_Other
Dec 28, 2012

Welcome Back, Galaxy Geek.
I kinda like the Red Sonja one. To me it looks like less of a redesign and more of an evolution (like the Tim Drake Robin costume which had pants instead of the shorts). I look that costume and still see Red Sonja.

As for the Vampirella one, I've never really been invested in the character so all I can say is that while I recognize that her classic outfit is just that, classic, and could be considered part of the character (think Black Canary's fishnets) I do like the new design.



Gaz-L posted:

Interestingly, the original Vampirella design was done by a woman - Trina Robbins, which probably explains that, as skimpy as it is, it's the rare case of a comic book pin-up outfit that looks like it might actually be a real (albeit hugely impractical for anything but sexin') garment.

This actually reminds me of when I was a kid a summer camp and my parents sent me a bunch of comics and magazines. One of them, Flux, one of those short lived gaming magazines that seemed to be everywhere in the mid 90's, had a full page photo of a Vampirella model. Needless to say that page was very popular with my fellow campers.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Spider-Girl got a new costume!

It seems to have been based upon this concept Frenz did a while back:

Which has a bit too much red in it.
But the final version seems much better:

I like it. It seems to be a nice middle ground between her original/Ben Reilly costume and the Peter Parker one.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


zoux posted:

Somewhere, Frank Cho is furiously scribbling pornos to piss off SJWs.

He hasn't slowed down at all with those.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

You know, have the pit webs on the various Spiderman costumes ever had a function?

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


zoux posted:

You know, have the pit webs on the various Spiderman costumes ever had a function?

They keep the costume from being sweaty.

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer

zoux posted:

You know, have the pit webs on the various Spiderman costumes ever had a function?

http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/21172/what-are-the-webs-under-spideys-arms-for

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



I really want him to use web skis more.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
I coulda sworn there was an early Spider-Man comic that said he used the web arm-pits to glide (though he also never actually used them to glide) and they were detachable.

Ferrule
Feb 23, 2007

Yo!

Skwirl posted:

I coulda sworn there was an early Spider-Man comic that said he used the web arm-pits to glide (though he also never actually used them to glide) and they were detachable.

And I coulda sworn he did in the old cartoon show. I somehow recall him squirting webs under his arms.

Happy Hippo
Aug 8, 2004

The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > Batman's Shameful Secret > BSS Derailed Thread: Spider-Island

Skwirl posted:

I coulda sworn there was an early Spider-Man comic that said he used the web arm-pits to glide (though he also never actually used them to glide) and they were detachable.

The article says that about Spider-Woman, maybe you're thinking about her?

SirDan3k
Jan 6, 2001

Trust me, you are taking this a lot more seriously then I am.
I could just about swear the glide thing was the line for Spidey as well though. Maybe in one of the Encyclopedias.

SirDan3k fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Oct 8, 2015

haitfais
Aug 7, 2005

I am offended by your ham, sir.
The Iron Spider suit used them for gliding, I think.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Everything I know about Vampirella comes from my dad's collection. :unsmigghh:

swamp waste
Nov 4, 2009

There is some very sensual touching going on in the cutscene there. i don't actually think it means anything sexual but it's cool how it contrasts with modern ideas of what bad ass stuff should be like. It even seems authentic to some kind of chivalric masculine touching from a tyme longe gone
That Red Sonja costume is cool; it makes sense for the character and you can still recognize her at a glance. That Dejah Thoris costume looks really trendy and goofy to me, and i think it would be better if they looked to real world cultures where nudity for both sexes is casual and non-sexual (like the original idea from the books, right? Those books are old enough to be genuinely strange and paring out the cool things about them to appeal to modern sensibilities is a mistake i think). turning that spotlight on the body back against the male gaze strikes me as way more radical than replacing cheesecake costumes with everyone looking like a cop at the gym. Bye

PicklePants
May 8, 2007
Woo!

Yvonmukluk posted:

Spider-Girl got a new costume!

It seems to have been based upon this concept Frenz did a while back:

Which has a bit too much red in it.
But the final version seems much better:

I like it. It seems to be a nice middle ground between her original/Ben Reilly costume and the Peter Parker one.

Huh, Jess finally loses her costume that Rocket Racoon pointed out, basically, points down to her lady biz.

Then a similar theme shows up on Spider Girl. With the red arrow, the negative space in the blue, and the arches of red resting on her hip bones.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


PicklePants posted:

Huh, Jess finally loses her costume that Rocket Racoon pointed out, basically, points down to her lady biz.

Then a similar theme shows up on Spider Girl. With the red arrow, the negative space in the blue, and the arches of red resting on her hip bones.
It's not really that bad in that sense. Besides, it's actually also partially adapted from this costume:



Which also has the same pointing at the crotch issue. I doubt that it meant to be interpreted as 'HEY LOOK DOWN HERE', more that it's a combination of the Ben Reilly & Peter Parker costumes. I honestly didn't notice till you pointed it out.

PicklePants
May 8, 2007
Woo!
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have, uh, heavily, implied it was done intentionally. That was me being a jerk.

Compared to the Ben Riley costume, the break up of the torso piece to the belt shapes, added an unintentional extra negative shape.

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord

Skwirl posted:

I coulda sworn there was an early Spider-Man comic that said he used the web arm-pits to glide (though he also never actually used them to glide) and they were detachable.

I know Gwen tries it. It doesn't really work.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


PicklePants posted:

Huh, Jess finally loses her costume that Rocket Racoon pointed out, basically, points down to her lady biz.

Who's Jess?

PicklePants
May 8, 2007
Woo!
Jessica Drew. Spider Woman.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Spider-Woman.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


That's Spider-girl, though? Mayday Parker? Why are we talking about Spider-woman?

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Lurdiak have a coffee.

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012
Picklepants was comparing spidergirl's new costume to a costume that spiderwoman just switched out for a new one.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Oh I get it. I guess I misread that post.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Happy Hippo posted:

The article says that about Spider-Woman, maybe you're thinking about her?

No, the only solo stuff I've read with her was that short one after Civil war. I have a distinct memory of one of those splash pages old comics would have explaining hero's various powers and gadgets, probably either from the Ditko or Romita Sr eras. I have the first two or three volumes of Essential Amazing somewhere, if I find it I'll let you know.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

To complicate matters, Mayday is actually Spider-Woman now.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

If Mayday is Spider-Woman now, who is Jessica Drew?

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Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
No, Who's on first!

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