temple posted:

And RTJ is only hype to white boys that would never whip anyone's rear end.

RBX posted:

I don't understand how it's nostalgia when the poo poo I'm talking about is good and still played today?

Why do people online always resort to nostalgia when someone disagrees with their opinion it's annoying as gently caress

Yuzenn posted:

stuff

RBX posted:

The Gunit album, Bucks two albums and banks first are classic fight me if you disagree

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We have reached a frequency only the chosen can hear. The more open the mind and heart, the more powerful the experience

temple posted:

Rap is a bad place because everyone relevant is using the same producers, the producers sound the same, nobody is challening themselves, and imitators thrive. Rap is back in that overcrowded LCD type of stuff. People are so moody and passive aggressive and its music to drive your car at night to music. I like that but I need balance. I need music that makes me want to whip somebody's rear end. Where's the up-tempo music? The chicago scene has run its course, TDE is doing gently caress all. Everyone stole the texas sound. NY sounds like ATL. ATL has been making the same 2 songs for the past 10 years (trap and strip music). I think rap is bottoming out and I don't know how long it will stay here but its due for another revival. The various ATL styles are becoming as boring as NY goon music.

Oh and I know someone will point off all the underground artists that nobody gives a gently caress about as providing diversity. Yeah, polish matters. Just sounding different isn't enough. TDE and the Chicago scene is the closest thing to sounding different but actually having legs. Rando producers that make 2 songs aren't saving rap for me.

And RTJ is only hype to white boys that would never whip anyone's rear end.

alansmithee posted:

TDE just had Jay Rock drop and released the most acclaimed album of the year in any genre.

alansmithee posted:

And I know you hate when people actually contradict your antiquated music feelings talking about poo poo that's not on BET/MTV/your radio, but that's actually the music that gets big now. Fetty was a dude on Soundcloud until his poo poo popped, same for Thug. The Chicago stuff you're seemingly dismissing in the middle of it's run is the same. For supposedly doing fuckall, TDE just had Jay Rock drop and released the most acclaimed album of the year in any genre.

The situation you describe is the mainstream situation for every single year of rap ever. When a producer gets popular, their poo poo always gets tons of play. And everyone imitates what's hot if they want radio play. Like seriously, when do you think this wasn't the case? At what point was everything not super derivative? I'm serious, when do you think mainstream popular rap wasn't exactly like this with a ton of dudes copying the popular poo poo and putting out lcd music?

temple posted:

You think you have me figured out so you post the same poo poo again and again. Fetty Wap got/is played on the radio, that's how most people found out about him. He sounds just like something out of ATL. There used to be this thing called a regional sound. At least in years past you had chicago and TDE but now its just ATL. Even drake is riding the future wave. Rap is incestuous right now.

alansmithee posted:

I think I have you figured out because you're simple. If you quit making the same arguments, I wouldn't have the same rebuttals.

But again, when wasn't everything on the radio the same?

temple posted:

You think you have me figured out so you post the same poo poo again and again. Fetty Wap got/is played on the radio, that's how most people found out about him. He sounds just like something out of ATL. There used to be this thing called a regional sound. At least in years past you had chicago and TDE but now its just ATL. Even drake is riding the future wave. Rap is incestuous right now.

temple posted:

You think you have me figured out so you post the same poo poo again and again. Fetty Wap got/is played on the radio, that's how most people found out about him. He sounds just like something out of ATL. There used to be this thing called a regional sound. At least in years past you had chicago and TDE but now its just ATL. Even drake is riding the future wave. Rap is incestuous right now.

so loving future posted:

You're so wrong about this. Literally you're equating the fact that rap of all sorts has gotten more singy and/or isn't boom-bap with "all rap is identically Atlanta sounding". Drake isn't riding the future wave, he just did an album with him. He doesn't sound like Future, he sounds like Drake. Fetty doesn't sound like Future, he just sings/warbles. Lil Durk doesn't sound like future, but I guess you give him a pass cause he's from Chicago? There's definitely no other artists besides Young Thug, so I guess wrap it up. 5 singin dudes.

Have you turned on the radio in the last 5 years?

so loving future posted:

Fetty doesn't sound like Future, he just sings/warbles.

alansmithee posted:

Well they couldn't play today's music back then so I think that's kinda irrelevant. And people say it's nostalgia because there were dudes saying the same poo poo about the music you're now pining for back when it came out. I mean Lil Jon and all the other southern stuff that became popular was pretty much seen as the death of rap at the time. I remember dudes all over making GBS threads on 50 for being lame on the mic and only making club music. Saying that it wouldn't last.

I'll address some of what you said. I can't see how you can say 50's a genius for putting garbage-rear end rappers over generic beats constantly, then discredit Future and Drake for putting out an album you don't think had much effort. I mean 50 has made exactly 2 songs in his career-generic street tale where he was more cold/smart/better than whoever he was against and R&B thug club joint. And his G unit flunkies did the same thing, only worse.

What Hopsin did wasn't any sort of indictment, since you could've made that same type of track at any point in time. Most popular rap has always been super-simple, hook-based music that relies on it's production. And dudes like Hopsin and other lames want to make a big deal about stuff like Future and Young Thug while ignoring how much press dudes like Kendrick, Vince Staples, Chance the Rapper, etc also get. He has no point-he's a bitter dude trying to get attention with his Eminem impression. He did this same poo poo when Odd Future was getting attention. And it's working-people here are talking about it! But the reason he's not getting play has nothing to do with people liking "dumb" poo poo or whatever, it's that he sucks and people don't like him.

And you're way off base on Young Thug being about shock and awe. His image definitely has helped him some, but it's also hurt him in some circles. There's also a lot of hype, but it's because he's doing something novel, and his music's generally good/interesting.

Since apparently we gotta whip some asses to post here now I'll take you up on this. All those albums were bargain bin filler the day they dropped.

temple posted:

Fetty wap and thugga are popular on and off the radio dumbass. You think this thread that is praising thugga's music because its on the radio? But yet, the same artists are mainstream are praised by a bunch of poeple that think they are outside of it. Hummmm. The soundcloud artist is the radio artist, so where's the diversity?

temple posted:

Yodeling into auto-tune vs mumbling into auto-tune.

alansmithee posted:

And yet you still ignored my question. When was rap not dominated by one or two sounds?

The real issue here is you have no point besides "things aren't like they were, and I hate it". You say don't talk about underground dudes that nobody gives a gently caress about, when those are the dudes that end up famous and played on the radio and signed by the big labels whose dicks you love sucking so much (no homo, of course). And you try to turn that around on me as if that proves some sort of point, when I said the very same thing?

Simple question-when was rap full of diversity at the mainstream level you seem to live at? You say there's no diversity in sounds now because everyone sounds like Atlanta (ignoring the past year or two where it was DJ Mustard-type poo poo being played all over, and ignoring the fact both Kendrick and Dre's albums, and ignoring all the other poo poo that disproves your retarded non-point). You're not bitching that everything sounds the same, you're bitching that everything doesn't sound like whatever poo poo you grew up on.

temple posted:

You are seriously insulting my intelligence just to win a petty argument on the internet. When did rap have diversity in the mainstream? You don't even have to go back to the 90's. Just ten years ago. I'll even post your god and see the diversity on his list http://www.cocaineblunts.com/blunts/?p=227

Here's a more unbiased list: http://www.stopthebreaks.com/hip-hop-lists/10-biggest-hip-hop-first-week-album-sales-2005/

Yuzenn posted:

I'll start this post with you totally glossed over 50's best rapping and that's during the Power of a Dollar era...comparing him to Drake OR Future is pretty hilarious. Cherry picking his battles with some WACK DUDES (Seriously Ja Rule and Fat Joe? It was more comical than an actual challenge for 50). 50 has a SERIOUSLY good catalog of work, including the radio singles, the club songs and even the R&B interludes. So yeah, I think that almost everything 50 ever did is better than what Future and Drake just mashed together.

I mean look at this poo poo :

Jumpman, Jumpman, Jumpman, them boys up to something
Uh, uh, uh I think I need some Robitussin
Way too many questions you must think I trust you
You searching for answers I do not know nothing (Woo!)
I see 'em tweaking they know something's coming (Woo!)
Jumpman, Jumpman, Jumpman, them boys up to something (Woo!)
Jumpman, Jumpman, Jumpman, gently caress was you expecting? (Woo!)
Chi-town, Chi-town, Michael Jordan just said text me (Woo!)

Drake is WAY better than this terrible poo poo he spit ALL ALBUM LONG. Add the worst of Future's mumble rap and oof.......I don't wanna keep on picking on the Jumpman song since people on Soundcloud and Reddit have already had enough fun with it but take Plastic bag for example....what in gods name is the point of that song? Drake makes ANOTHER song about strippers and picking up cash....that's brand new! The song is what....just under 4 minutes long and the hook gets repeated FIVE TIMES. FIVE. Three of them are BACK TO BACK TO BACK at the end of the song. So the content of the actual song is what...a minute and a half? Lay-z.

If you really think this project was up to what Future and Drake can actually do with their abilities (because I think both of them are very talented) then agree to disagree cause you can have that one.

On another note, no rap has not always been the most super simple stuff. It just has been for so long we can't remember to a time when it wasn't catchy single rap. And I don't get your point...Kendrick, Staples and Chance don't embody any of the styles in the video he posted so why would he comment on them? For the last time, I don't think he's good at all and I know he has his own trying to be like Eminem gimmick but his impression of catchy rap music is spot on.

And finally, I'm missing what is novel about Young Thug....is it some sort of LGBT apologetic thing? Cause if it ain't I'm not seeing how his entire act doesn't revolve entirely around shock value. Either his last vine included gay porn in the background because he actually likes gay porn or it's because he knows it will shock you. Calling other dudes Bae, the whole Barter 4 thing...it's SO gimmicky. His entire existence is predicated on them.

Overall though I'm really pleased with the music that has come out this year, but just like when TPAB came out i'm gonna call a spade a spade even if the beat is dope.

RBX posted:

Where are you from? I have a guess

temple posted:

You are seriously insulting my intelligence just to win a petty argument on the internet. When did rap have diversity in the mainstream? You don't even have to go back to the 90's. Just ten years ago. I'll even post your god and see the diversity on his list http://www.cocaineblunts.com/blunts/?p=227

Here's a more unbiased list: http://www.stopthebreaks.com/hip-hop-lists/10-biggest-hip-hop-first-week-album-sales-2005/

temple posted:

From where? The internet or the real world?

alansmithee posted:

I'm insulting your intelligence because you're being a big dummy.

And here, you want diversity from an unbiased list, I'll see your 2005 and match you with 2015:

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6677595/top-10-debut-sales-weeks-rap-albums-2015-so-far

Although looking at your list, it seems that 5 of the top 10 are all pretty much Dre/Aftermath in-house poo poo, which kinda kills your whole "diversity" thing. 2015 has like, Future as an Atl dude?

an aftermath intern posted:

The 2005 lists are better than everything but Kendrick tho

RBX posted:

When the biggest dudes are a self admitted singing nigga and another guy is a weirdo who's blatantly badly copying Wayne who persona and his homeboys just snitched on themselves watching gay porn with no pussy in sight? Get the entire gently caress out of here if you think it isn't in a downtrend. It happens in every medium. Soon it'll be great again.

RBX posted:

Real world. Somewhere in the south?

alansmithee posted:

I'm insulting your intelligence because you're being a big dummy.

And here, you want diversity from an unbiased list, I'll see your 2005 and match you with 2015:

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6677595/top-10-debut-sales-weeks-rap-albums-2015-so-far

Although looking at your list, it seems that 5 of the top 10 are all pretty much Dre/Aftermath in-house poo poo, which kinda kills your whole "diversity" thing. 2015 has like, Future as an Atl dude?

Yuzenn posted:

I'll start this post with you totally glossed over 50's best rapping and that's during the Power of a Dollar era...comparing him to Drake OR Future is pretty hilarious. Cherry picking his battles with some WACK DUDES (Seriously Ja Rule and Fat Joe? It was more comical than an actual challenge for 50). 50 has a SERIOUSLY good catalog of work, including the radio singles, the club songs and even the R&B interludes. So yeah, I think that almost everything 50 ever did is better than what Future and Drake just mashed together.

I mean look at this poo poo :

Jumpman, Jumpman, Jumpman, them boys up to something
Uh, uh, uh I think I need some Robitussin
Way too many questions you must think I trust you
You searching for answers I do not know nothing (Woo!)
I see 'em tweaking they know something's coming (Woo!)
Jumpman, Jumpman, Jumpman, them boys up to something (Woo!)
Jumpman, Jumpman, Jumpman, gently caress was you expecting? (Woo!)
Chi-town, Chi-town, Michael Jordan just said text me (Woo!)

Drake is WAY better than this terrible poo poo he spit ALL ALBUM LONG. Add the worst of Future's mumble rap and oof.......I don't wanna keep on picking on the Jumpman song since people on Soundcloud and Reddit have already had enough fun with it but take Plastic bag for example....what in gods name is the point of that song? Drake makes ANOTHER song about strippers and picking up cash....that's brand new! The song is what....just under 4 minutes long and the hook gets repeated FIVE TIMES. FIVE. Three of them are BACK TO BACK TO BACK at the end of the song. So the content of the actual song is what...a minute and a half? Lay-z.

If you really think this project was up to what Future and Drake can actually do with their abilities (because I think both of them are very talented) then agree to disagree cause you can have that one.

On another note, no rap has not always been the most super simple stuff. It just has been for so long we can't remember to a time when it wasn't catchy single rap. And I don't get your point...Kendrick, Staples and Chance don't embody any of the styles in the video Hopsin posted so why would he comment on them? For the last time, I don't think he's good at all and I know he has his own trying to be like Eminem gimmick but his impression of catchy rap music is spot on.

And finally, I'm missing what is novel about Young Thug....is it some sort of LGBT apologetic thing? Cause if it ain't I'm not seeing how his entire act doesn't revolve entirely around shock value. Either his last vine began (so very obviously intentionally) gay porn in the background because he actually likes gay porn or it's because he knows it will shock you. Calling other dudes Bae, the whole Barter 4 thing...it's SO gimmicky. His entire existence is predicated on them.

Overall though I'm really pleased with the music that has come out this year, but just like when TPAB came out i'm gonna call a spade a spade even if the beat is dope.

temple posted:

The other point is that today's relevant underground acts and mainstream acts sound the same

temple posted:

From the south. North of ATL. I don't even hate ATL, future, thugga, but you gotta be a clown to not see what is

My point was made about the mainstream. The other point is that today's relevant underground acts and mainstream acts sound the same. Can you say that about 2005?

TheFallenEvincar posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OByse9lH0jU

temple posted:

From the south. North of ATL. I don't even hate ATL, future, thugga, but you gotta be a clown to not see what is

Funky Britches posted:

Look at this loving retard lmao

also get the gently caress out if you dont think 2015 is one of the best years in hiphop for a long time

alansmithee posted:

RBX posted:

People say that every year zzzzzzzzz

RBX posted:

When the biggest dudes are a self admitted singing nigga and another guy is a weirdo who's blatantly badly copying Wayne who persona and his homeboys just snitched on themselves watching gay porn with no pussy in sight? Get the entire gently caress out of here if you think it isn't in a downtrend. It happens in every medium. Soon it'll be great again.

RBX posted:

a self admitted singing nigga

RBX posted:

his homeboys just snitched on themselves watching gay porn with no pussy in sight?

RBX posted:

People say that every year zzzzzzzzz

RBX posted:

Aftermath is like 2% of those old lists tho??