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BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:http://www.stripes.com/news/experts-restricting-troops-access-to-firearms-is-necessary-to-reduce-rate-of-suicides-1.199216 I don't see how anyone could read that article and not be wholly convinced that guns and suicide deaths are intrinsically linked and that means restriction is a must but I bet someone is about to prove me wrong.
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zoux posted:I don't see how anyone could read that article and not be wholly convinced that guns and suicide deaths are intrinsically linked and that means restriction is a must but I bet someone is about to prove me wrong. Read the comments.
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Oct 8, 2015 03:54
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Your evening news roundup: Rupert Murdoch thinks it's time America elect a REAL black president. Looks like these shootings are good news... For gun dealers! And the Senate is moving to fast track a bill which would punish sanctuary cities by terminating all federal funding to such cities.
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Jagchosis posted:What even are you arguing, that they shouldn't talk to Toyota at all for uh, reasons, even though Toyota has produced the Hilux for decades well aware that it is a tool of insurgency and war? There's even a war called the Toyota War for fucks sake. Is an inquiry such a horrific burden they should just get hosed or what in God's name is your point It's a waste of time and basically security theater conducted by a bunch of old shitters desperate to look like they're doing something important. E: about the only thing productive about it would be the precedent that manufacturers can be called to account for the propensity of their wares to be involved in misdeeds, such as gun makers. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 03:55
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So is TPP passage a done deal due to fast track? Or is it doomed due to Obama!
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Trabisnikof posted:So is TPP passage a done deal due to fast track? Or is it doomed due to Obama! I suspect we won't know how this shakes out until the text of the agreement is in congress's hands. FAUXTON posted:It's a waste of time and basically security theater conducted by a bunch of old shitters desperate to look like they're doing something important. A cursory "these aren't USDM models right?" is warranted I'd think. Even if the response is a quick "No those are manufactured in Pakistan and Thailand" hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 04:02
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Trabisnikof posted:So is TPP passage a done deal due to fast track? Or is it doomed due to Obama! Yes.
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zoux posted:I don't see how anyone could read that article and not be wholly convinced that guns and suicide deaths are intrinsically linked and that means restriction is a must but I bet someone is about to prove me wrong. Means prevention could be an important component of suicide prevention, though there are a lot of assumptions in that statement. There is no reason, however, that it should require an overarching gun control scheme to implement.
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hobbesmaster posted:A cursory "these aren't USDM models right?" is warranted I'd think. Also in "reasons why it's pure bluster" Also hiluxes have never been sold in the US and their plentiful (in overseas markets), resilient (in the same way you could utterly thrash a '93 civic hatch and have it back running in a day) nature has made them pretty big with people who drive them around in rough environments such as war zones. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 04:17
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FAUXTON posted:Also in "reasons why it's pure bluster" I own a hilux that was sold in the US. 86.
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Martin Random posted:I own a hilux that was sold in the US. 86. Did someone ship this 1986 hilux in or something, or are you making a "I bought a 6000 but I'm calling it a cutlass out of spite" thing?
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FAUXTON posted:Also in "reasons why it's pure bluster" The Hilux was sold in America as the Hilux from 1969 to 1975 model years. It was then rebadged "Toyota Truck" and later "Toyota Pickup" for 1975 until discontinued in America in 1995 in favor of the Toyota Tacoma. On top of that the early US market 4Runners were also built from Hilux trucks. So no, there were plenty of Hiluxes in the US, and there still are. Most just have a separate nameplate. FAUXTON posted:Did someone ship this 1986 hilux in or something, or are you making a "I bought a 6000 but I'm calling it a cutlass out of spite" thing? There were 6 straight years of American Hiluxes with the Hilux badge and everything, and then another 20 years of the same truck, different name. Some of those years even included Hilux production on American soil. Nintendo Kid fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 04:28
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FAUXTON posted:Did someone ship this 1986 hilux in or something, or are you making a "I bought a 6000 but I'm calling it a cutlass out of spite" thing? But is there really any big difference?
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There's a huge difference between a Hilux and a Tacoma. I wish I could buy a Hilux in the states.
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Hollismason posted:Wait so there may be a situation where no one get's elected speaker because of the Freedom Caucus or has the extreme right viewed this as their way to seize more power? To add onto what has already been said, the House vote is scheduled a day before Boehner's resignation. If the GOP somehow fails to elect a candidate, Boehner would remain Speaker until a majority is reached. Might explain why Boehner is pushing so hard for Republicans to line up behind a single candidate. I can't imagine he wants to stick around any longer than he needs to.
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I'd like to reiterate my hope for Toyota to be like "because their fords and chevys fell apart  "
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Trabisnikof posted:So is TPP passage a done deal due to fast track? Or is it doomed due to Obama! It's probably happening at this point, if not this year than in next year's lame duck session.
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FAUXTON posted:I'd like to reiterate my hope for Toyota to be like "because their fords and chevys fell apart Man, old Fords are fine. I've got a old rusty Ford from way back in the year 1990 and it runs great. I mean, sure, it basically has a new engine, and AC, and wiring, and brakes, and.. everything, but the body is holding up fine! Mostly!
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zoux posted:In fact, that's exactly what happened to my 18 year old cousin last year, who got into a fight with his girlfriend and suddenly in the middle of it went and got his dad's, my uncle's, .22 pistol and killed himself with it. We don't know why he did it, but if there wasn't a gun in the house that day he'd still be alive. My cousin, who was like a brother to me killed himself with a shotgun to the head. He had been involved in a fairly traumatic accident that had left a very athletic person with about 80% of the strength he had. He was never the same after his fall, he got depressed, got drunk and shot himself. I have no doubt that had my cousin not had a gun he would still be here today. His death was 13 years ago and I have never stopped being sad about his choice. My cousin was one of the "responsible" gun owners that kept his weapons in one safe and ammo in another. He taught pretty much all of our cousins how to be safe and responsible with a weapon. gently caress I'm sorry to rant I just loving hate guns so loving much.
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Cabbit posted:Man, old Fords are fine. I've got a old rusty Ford from way back in the year 1990 and it runs great. The Top Gear segments about Clarkson turning his abuse on a hilux are pretty great, even if they're not exactly real.
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Crain posted:That too. I think that they actually taught the media that. Gun fetishists have existed before America, and certainly before American media. You're blaming the media for reflecting back what society tells it.
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Top Gear's segment on them is pretty great though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWKz7Cthkk These things are tough as gently caress and it's a shame they aren't made and sold in the US.
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FAUXTON posted:Did someone ship this 1986 hilux in or something, or are you making a "I bought a 6000 but I'm calling it a cutlass out of spite" thing? It's not a rare thing. Are you people in an alternate dimension or are you all only pretending that one of the most successful greatest most reliable pickup trucks of all time have never been sold in the states The 22re engine. Come on.
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I saw Chris Hayes covering the story about Jeb getting help for his campaign from Dubya, and he played that "he kept us safe" clip and (not to be a broken record), it occurred to me that I literally have not seen a single loving reporter question Jeb about that since the time he said it. Is it cause the media still afraid of asking/criticizing anything regarding 9/11? It's so aggravating.
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They're as flabbergasted as the rest of us at the blatant replacement of reality with fiction. They've been confronted by the fact that a man they are contractually obligated to pretend is sane and responsible is neither and they have no idea how to communicate that to their audience. The Republicans are deep in the woods, the media is there with them, and the Republicans have just started speaking in tongues.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Nah i meant the other poster. For some reason they took the meaning a tad different. basically the post was about painting Bernie as an unthinking ideologue as they expanded on later The Iron Rose posted:I don't see what I could elaborate upon. I appreciate that Hillary weighed this issue based on information available and came to a considered decision after an appropriate period of time. I prefer politicians do this rather than oppose an issue because it wins points with their base or does so based upon ideology.
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Mr Interweb posted:I saw Chris Hayes covering the story about Jeb getting help for his campaign from Dubya, and he played that "he kept us safe" clip and (not to be a broken record), it occurred to me that I literally have not seen a single loving reporter question Jeb about that since the time he said it. Is it cause the media still afraid of asking/criticizing anything regarding 9/11? It's so aggravating. It's simple. The narrative is that after 9/11 Bush beat back the terrorist horde and prevented them from ever attacking America. See: the War on Terror, shoe-bomber, those anarchists in Cleveland, etc. The problem you're running into is assuming that the media would loving blame Bush for 9/11. If they don't blame him for 9/11, using 9/11 as a counter-point to "Kept us safe" is a non-starter.
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BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:Read the comments. So let them kill themselves. Less reactionary voters.
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SalTheBard posted:My cousin, who was like a brother to me killed himself with a shotgun to the head. He had been involved in a fairly traumatic accident that had left a very athletic person with about 80% of the strength he had. He was never the same after his fall, he got depressed, got drunk and shot himself. I have no doubt that had my cousin not had a gun he would still be here today. His death was 13 years ago and I have never stopped being sad about his choice. My cousin was one of the "responsible" gun owners that kept his weapons in one safe and ammo in another. He taught pretty much all of our cousins how to be safe and responsible with a weapon. gently caress I'm sorry to rant I just loving hate guns so loving much.  I am sorry for your loss.
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Now that Walker is back in Wisconsin for good, Republicans there are looking to make sure he and other Republicans don't get recalled again by dismantling the non-partisan board responsible for calling the recall elections and investigating possible coordination between Walker's campaign and outside groups.
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Goatman Sacks posted:So let them kill themselves. Less reactionary voters.
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I have a lot of familiarity with the research underlying the impact of banning the methods to suicide has on suicide rates, I can make an effort post aggregating that information but I can say that comparison rates, country to country, or even region to region within countries doesn't really allow you to make many meaningful conclusions so arguments about South Korea having a higher suicide rate isn't really relevant to a conversation about whether restrictions of firearms in the US would have much impact on successful suicide attempts. Confusing the data as well are differences (again, not just country by country but region by region) regarding what qualifies as a "suicide" for the purpose of data collection and how to even begin to report incidence of parasuicidal behaviour. Something overlooked is the fact that a lot of people actually act recklessly, not in ways where they mean to kill themselves, but in ways where death may be an expected reaction. A lot of people who attempt suicide are not rational actors and, when you speak to survivors of suicide attempts, you find (surprisingly often) that they didn't have a specific intent to die but wanted to either cause harm to themselves, call or help, or just be reckless... it's really complex but when the method of self harm gets lethal enough, you get enough proportion of deaths that the completed deaths masks any research attempt to clarify motivations. It's not uncommon to hear from people who have survived self-inflicted gunshot wounds that they were simply staring at their gun and contemplating or simply handling it; if they'd died from that same attempt, these would have been aggregated within the suicide statistics. I've known at least two people who survived an act where they loaded their gun with an insufficient number of bullets and tried to shoot themselves; in one instance, the goal was a thrill, in the other, there wasn't a specific intent to die but there was an ambiguity about the act. The only available research that provide any reliable estimate about how suicide rates may be impacted by firearm restrictions is to look at individual countries or regions that enacted such bans and compare the rates before and after, this at least controls for confounding factors unique to that region. I can pull up exact stats but this is actually very well researched in areas like Australia which has shown rather profound and sudden drops in completed suicide attempts following gun control and gun buy-back programs; these effects have been found to occur both in the short term and in the long term (though the longer term stats become unreliable as the cultural and personal factors driving suicide change over time - I've been involved in research exploring the impact of access to mental health services on suicides in rural areas of Australia and we're finding that one of the biggest predictors of completed suicides within some regions is the presence of enduring periods of drought concurrent to failure of financial and social systems to support rural populations experiencing drought). It's hideously complex, though, and you're never going to find a perfect model that accounts for all factors - the weight of evidence suggests that gun bans reduce completed suicides generally but the data is nebulous and complex enough that people arguing that's [/i]not[/i] the case wouldn't have to look very far to find individual studies and examples to support that claim. That's one of the problems with sociological research, reaching conclusions tends to be done based on weight of often contradictory evidence rather than concrete and irrefutable research studies...
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Martin Random posted:It's not a rare thing. Are you people in an alternate dimension or are you all only pretending that one of the most successful greatest most reliable pickup trucks of all time have never been sold in the states Is it built on the same drivetrain? Same chassis? Same suspension? How about the cab and bed?
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Martin Random posted:It's not a rare thing. Are you people in an alternate dimension or are you all only pretending that one of the most successful greatest most reliable pickup trucks of all time have never been sold in the states  Its not the diesel. Get out.ComradeCosmobot posted:Now that Walker is back in Wisconsin for good, Republicans there are looking to make sure he and other Republicans don't get recalled again by dismantling the non-partisan board responsible for calling the recall elections and investigating possible coordination between Walker's campaign and outside groups. We can't have all that accountability running all willy nilly.
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The Tacoma and the HiLux are mechanically different; the HiLux is way more rugged, while the Tacoma has much better ride quality. There's a reason they don't sell the HiLux here, and it's because American truck buyers don't actually use their trucks.
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I think that if there's anyone who can speak to issues of authenticity in the African-American community, it's white octogenarian Australian billionaires.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Top Gear's segment on them is pretty great though: Good news: the TPP might eliminate the tariff that has kept them out
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Good news: the TPP might eliminate the tariff that has kept them out Sure, but will the small diesel that makes them so desirable meet US emissions standards?
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Yeah what we really needed was a *real* black man as president. One like these guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2tLyqfJd54
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