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Not a Twat posted:No, The Beginner's Guide is 90 minutes long and it stands alone. It succeeds in what it tries to do but it's very simple and in my opinion isn't worth the money. The framing device of it being a collection of games is clever but it seems very convenient to me that Coda only ever built walking simulators and only ever designed one puzzle. I wasn't completely serious with this recommendation. Just wanted to add another layer of false pretentiousness to the game. Still, it helps to know that Wreden's a real game developer with an accomplished 'artsy' game under his belt, if you want the player to fall for what the narrator tells them in The Beginner's Guide. If you didn't at least smile when Wreden was droning about insecurities and social pressure in the game where you give a lecture and have an option to freak out about a black hole at the back of the room, I don't know what to say. The poignance throughout the game was self-admittedly false and even if you don't find the plot funny funny, it's still humorous, because the premise verges on the player being tricked by the narrator.
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It's loving hilarious to me that they got this fired up for something as obviously good as closing comments. You usually make that kind of caricatural grandstanding about issues that matter, like someone destroying the social safety net or corporate corruption or equal rights for minorities or SOMETHING. 
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Oct 8, 2015 13:41
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Who the gently caress reads Motherboard?
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Oct 8, 2015 13:44
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Paladinus posted:Who the gently caress reads Motherboard? I've never heard of it before and I'll probably forget it exists as soon as I start reading a different thread.
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Oct 8, 2015 14:10
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I know it's not relevant to games but damnit this is some funny poo poo. Also, I just got Crypt of the Necrodancer on sale on Steam. Top tier game, love the local co-op. Highly recommend in case anyone else still hasn't gotten it yet.
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Oct 8, 2015 14:58
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icantfindaname posted:it's nice to see some honest-to-god uncle moneybags republican talking points instead of the usual autistic libertarian permavirgin ones though, you have to admit i admit that they both suck. in other news, video games
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Oct 8, 2015 16:03
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Not a Twat posted:No, The Beginner's Guide is 90 minutes long and it stands alone. It succeeds in what it tries to do but it's very unambitious and in my opinion isn't worth the money. The framing device of it being a collection of games is clever but it seems very convenient to me that Coda only ever built walking simulators and only ever designed one puzzle. the game is an interactive essay about philosophical aesthetics, and like you said suceeds at that. considering the stanley parable was an incoherent mess i'd say the beginner's guide is more worth playing than stanley was. unless you just really like the wacky british narrator guy and are sexually aroused by the thought of branching narrative in games no matter how dumb and/or worthless they are artistically? icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 16:13
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6wOz3a7xbo
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Love Stole the Day posted:Also, I just got Crypt of the Necrodancer on sale on Steam. Top tier game, love the local co-op. Highly recommend in case anyone else still hasn't gotten it yet. Necrodancer is on my short list of "absolutely everyone at least try this game out because holy poo poo" games
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Oct 8, 2015 16:14
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"gamestop exclusive shilling necklace"
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Oct 8, 2015 16:16
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the one thing I love about the penny arcade thing is that the guy their making fun of look more of a manly man then them. and their still draw themselves like 18 year olds I bet.
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Oct 8, 2015 16:20
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icantfindaname posted:the game is an interactive essay about philosophical aesthetics, and like you said suceeds at that. considering the stanley parable was an incoherent mess i'd say the beginner's guide is more worth playing than stanley was. unless you just really like the wacky british narrator guy and are sexually aroused by the thought of branching narrative in games no matter how dumb and/or worthless they are artistically? I don't see why the narrator's Britishness is notable...
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icantfindaname posted:the game is an interactive essay about philosophical aesthetics, and like you said suceeds at that. considering the stanley parable was an incoherent mess i'd say the beginner's guide is more worth playing than stanley was. unless you just really like the wacky british narrator guy and are sexually aroused by the thought of branching narrative in games no matter how dumb and/or worthless they are artistically? Stanley Parable was a piece of commentary on choice in video games and its self-referential structure fleshes it out nicely. Stanley Parable was also bigger in scope, even though its theme was probably more focused. Sense of exploration contributed to how the game played, too. It was a better game in all respects, but The Beginner's Guide also has its moments, and I still argue it wasn't as serious as some people purport it to be. The Beginner's Guide tells you to keep your lamp posts to yourself, and you still lament their supposed absence in Stanley Parable. Lol. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 16:34
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Paladinus posted:Stanley Parable was a piece of commentary on choice in video games and its self-referential structure fleshes it out nicely. Stanley Parable was also bigger in scope, even though its theme was probably more focused. Sense of exploration contributed to how the game played, too. It was a better game in all respects, but The Beginner's Guide also has its moments, and I still argue it wasn't as serious as some people purport it to be. bolded got a laugh out of me. stanley completely failed at what it set out to do (say something interesting about narrative choice and aesthetics in games) and didn't even seem to be fully aware of what it was trying to do, but people prefer to just ignore that and pretend it did i guess? like you're not even denying that stanley was incoherent, but you don't seem to care? icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 16:36
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Like, can you accept that a game can be just a bit of fun? A huge easter-egg hunting with witty commentary that subverts your expectations. Because both games are exactly this.
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Oct 8, 2015 16:40
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Paladinus posted:Like, can you accept that a game can be just a bit of fun? A huge easter-egg hunting with witty commentary that subverts your expectations. Because both games are exactly this. sure, and finding a $20 bill stuffed in your couch also fits that definition, but that doesn't make it a good work of art. i liked the stanley parable but that game was the definition of a first draft, having a bunch of good ideas floating around but completely failing at producing a coherent whole out of them. some of the endings were OK, some of them just fell flat, and they didn't add up to anything but also didn't stand up individually beginner's guide feels like wreden figured out what he was actually trying to say in stanley and then said it icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 8, 2015 16:42
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icantfindaname posted:sure, and finding a $20 bill stuffed in your couch also fits that definition, but that doesn't make it a good work of art i just want to assure anyone out there who is into expressing themselves by stuffing $20 bills into furniture that i consider it the highest form of art, next to oral sex
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icantfindaname posted:sure, and finding a $20 bill stuffed in your couch also fits that definition, but that doesn't make it a good work of art. i liked the stanley parable but that game was the definition of getting 90% of the way to a final draft and just flailing around and bullshitting for a conclusion Hm, you are right, there is no satisfying conclusion in this game that experiments with narrative structure. What were they thinking! Also, you can totally make an engaging art installation by stuffing money into your sofa. And I don't even like modern art.
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Oct 8, 2015 16:46
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Plus if you pull $20 out of your sofa you have enough money to buy either the Stanley Parable or Beginner's Guide. Art propagates art, you see.
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Oct 8, 2015 16:51
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if you want to imagine the future of PC gaming, imagine a $20 being lost inside a sofa... forever
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Why isn't there a sofa money fishing simulator? I think it'd really elevate gaming into a higher form of art. E:Turns out Pokemon Red/Blue started after a war. Cause no game can escape your weird hosed up conspiracy theories. Golden Goat fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Cyron posted:the one thing I love about the penny arcade thing is that the guy their making fun of look more of a manly man then them. and their still draw themselves like 18 year olds I bet. I wonder how their wives feel about the fact that whenever they show up in the comic their husbands have them drawn much thinner and better-looking than they actually are.
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Oct 8, 2015 17:17
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Golden Goat posted:E:Turns out Pokemon Red/Blue started after a war. it's called WW2, and it applies to all anime
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Oct 8, 2015 17:30
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Are there animes that actually mention the atrocities committed by Japan in WW2?
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Oct 8, 2015 18:03
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Broseph Brostar posted:Are there animes that actually mention the atrocities committed by Japan in WW2? No. Literally none. I am not kidding.
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Broseph Brostar posted:Are there animes that actually mention the atrocities committed by Japan in WW2? Attack on Titan thought they were pretty great
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Oct 8, 2015 18:13
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Broseph Brostar posted:Are there animes that actually mention the atrocities committed by Japan in WW2? Not that I know of because A) it pisses off conservative Japanese because B) China and North/South Korea use it as political ammunition, leading to fun stuff like Chinese nationalists thrashing Japanese shops and cars while the cops look on for 10 minutes before intervening because of some diplomatic spat over a tiny island with oil and gas surrounding it. Their sentiment is generally "yeah we did some bad poo poo but so did they and we already apologized for that publically 20+ years ago so why do they keep bringing it up?" I'm not saying it's a smart stance but that's the way it is. Note that WW2 was a terrible time for the Japanese, I do remember some anime in an alternative universe where Japan never lost the war and it was basically portrayed as Nazi Germany without ethnic cleansing, but I forgot the name. All things considered most Japanese prefer to just not talk about it in public.
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Oct 8, 2015 18:28
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There's that one manga that personified all the nations as schoolchildren, and Japan's attack on China was equated to a slap I did not read it, please call me out on this, I would love to be wrong
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Oct 8, 2015 18:32
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Broseph Brostar posted:Are there animes that actually mention the atrocities committed by Japan in WW2? Why would they?
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Golden Goat posted:Why isn't there a sofa money fishing simulator? Dumb game theory aside, that actually seems like a pretty cool channel. I watched the one about Rick & Morty and the discussion about the downsides of the scientific method was pretty interesting. Thanks for the link!
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Locke Dunnegan posted:Dumb game theory aside, that actually seems like a pretty cool channel. I watched the one about Rick & Morty and the discussion about the downsides of the scientific method was pretty interesting. Thanks for the link! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLK7RI_HW-E
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Oct 8, 2015 19:23
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Golden Goat posted:Why isn't there a sofa money fishing simulator? His fan theories series is really doing a service in exposing how painfully stupid almost every fan theory under the sun is Also I'm pretty sure that guy's a goon so I just gonna sday here: gently caress you idea channel guy!
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Oct 8, 2015 19:24
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There was a goon here who worked on Dead Space 3 and had a lot to say about its production was basically Studio Interference: The Official Video Game, who was this?
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Locke Dunnegan posted:Dumb game theory aside, that actually seems like a pretty cool channel. I watched the one about Rick & Morty and the discussion about the downsides of the scientific method was pretty interesting. Thanks for the link! The dude is loving terrible but he gets a ton of clicks because he posts videos with wacky inflammatory titles that are always a variation on "IS DUMB THING FOR KIDS ACTUALLY SMART THING FOR ADULTS???" so people post links to make fun of how weird and bad it is without spending five second thinking about it and realizing that it's exactly what he wants.
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Sakurazuka posted:Why would they? There's so many animes that deal with the effects of the war on Japan, you'd think they might mention the reasons why. At least they don't turn the victims of their massacres into sports team mascots.
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program666 posted:what is this? TELEFANG 2, a weird digimon ripoff. someone made a patch to bugfix the hong kong bootleg and make it playable (if still incomprehensible) http://s15.zetaboards.com/Tulunk_Village/topic/7307225/1/  what do i name my EASYDOG
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easydog is already a pretty good name
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