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Riosan posted:No doubt they would pull the knives out on Saint Reagan himself. It's partially the rules that require you basically to roll up a super majority of your party (218/247) and partially that the House GOP has gotten redder, as have their electorate. Like I think the majority of actual Republicans are still more or less inline with Mitt Romney's policy proposals, but the party has been hijacked by the extremists because of their unwillingness to make them face realty over the last six years. Now, emboldened by taking down two majority leaders and a speaker, they smell blood int he water.
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Riosan posted:E: Ryan was your VP nominee in 2012, so what the gently caress. What is happening in the House They're burning it down.
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As per usual, the Onion got it right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjonGtrCyVE That's who they need to elect as speaker.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:@ChadPergram 42m42 minutes ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgflCE7zRpc
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Riosan posted:No doubt they would pull the knives out on Saint Reagan himself. End of earmarks. Time was, everyone's job was partially to secure pork for their district. If you crossed the speaker, you lost your pork. Once the caucus put an end to earmarks, the speaker suddenly lost that leverage. Now, all he has are committee seats which are way less effective at coercing people - and impossible to use to bribe someone.
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evilweasel posted:End of earmarks. Time was, everyone's job was partially to secure pork for their district. If you crossed the speaker, you lost your pork. I don't think this gets talked about enough, but yeah, ending earmarks basically broke congress.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Greg Sargent up with a good piece this morning illustrating just how bad this is playing for the House GOP: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...trously-broken/ I thought the average GOP voter wanted this type of dysfunctional inanity.
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The average GOP primary voter does, or at least believes the bullshit their fed. The average GOP voter is probably more in line with forums poster Chris Christie.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:The theory doesn't exactly hold up, as no one in the Freedom Caucus seems like they would have the tact to keep their mouths shut if they knew of such a thing. I might be missing something, but it seems like McCarthy pulled out and then someone tactlessly (and idiotically) leaked the affair anyhow. Like "Freedom Caucus can't keep their mouths shut" sounds exactly like what happened. No rational politician would leak the affair anyhow because it makes future blackmail victims less likely to concede. PostNouveau posted:The Democrats wouldn't vote for anyone but Pelosi for speaker, but if they didn't vote at all, would the required number for a majority lower from 218? Could they just get a few concessions out of the next speaker and then all abstain to let them get elected with like 180 votes? Yes. The Democrats all skipping out on the vote would lower the threshold needed - it's majority of members voting. Except of course that it only takes another majority to declare the Speaker's seat vacant so the Dems could turn around at ally with pissed-off Tea Partiers to boot a moderate speaker whenever they felt like it.
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evilweasel posted:End of earmarks. Time was, everyone's job was partially to secure pork for their district. If you crossed the speaker, you lost your pork. Worth pointing out that one of the demands of the Tea Coast people seems to be a significant lessening of the ability of the leadership to determine committee seats, which would clearly significantly reduce that power as well.
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Radish posted:I thought the average GOP voter wanted this type of dysfunctional inanity. Every single GOP politician wants the government to be extremely dysfunctional- only to the point where it doesn't hurt them in elections. They all just disagree on how to accomplish that and how much they care if it affects their majority. The 40 Tea Party members turn up the crazy to the maximum because it will only make them more likely to be re-elected in their districts, at the expense of the other 200 GOP house members.
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evilweasel posted:End of earmarks. Time was, everyone's job was partially to secure pork for their district. If you crossed the speaker, you lost your pork. Also the rise of non-party money in the form of groups like Heritage Action and the Kochs' Americans For Prosperity has played a big role. Used to be if you didn't step in line you would lose your access to the Party's campaign funds and access to the ability to raise your own but now the opposite it true - if you don't make yourself an active impediment to getting things done you will attacked by a 501(c) group while a primary challenger has millions poured into their campaign. Earmarks were the carrots, money was the stick. Now there is no carrot and someone else has a bigger stick. Shifty Pony fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Oct 9, 2015 |
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According to Jake Sherman as the leadership conference began about 40 republicans snuck out to sign the export-import bank reauth lmao.
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Man the worst thing about the current situation is there's really no end in sight. Equitable redrawing of congressional districts following the census? Campaign finance reform? Oh gently caress God Is Real and he smashes the Tortilla Coast restaurant with a meteor while the insurgent deep-red weirdos are in there? What can end this (highly entertaining) madness?
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I don't think this gets talked about enough, but yeah, ending earmarks basically broke congress. Not just that, but earmarks were used to fund projects Congressmen were interested in, like National Weather Service computers and equipment, etc. I wonder if anyone realized just how critical they were to the functioning of our government. Who'd have guessed?
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Monkey Fracas posted:What can end this (highly entertaining) madness? President Trump.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:President Trump. Need a combination of  and  to illustrate how I feel about this
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Monkey Fracas posted:What can end this (highly entertaining) madness? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1T94Wc6LyQ
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Monkey Fracas posted:Equitable redrawing of congressional districts following the census? This would help at least put a party willing to compromise in power. But given that I haven't heard anyone talking about a Democratic plan to retake the 15(!) states' legislatures (14 upper houses, 16 lower houses) that they've lost since Nov. 2010 I don't think this is happening until 2030 at the earliest. So hang on, because we probably have another 15 years of this shitshow (with almost certainly at least one Republican president in power) ahead of us. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Oct 9, 2015 |
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It really is amazing how 40 R+13 districts have the entire country under lockdown. Power to the people.
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Rygar201 posted:A lot of their structural demands are good ideas and would make Congress more of a Congress and less of a parliament, but they're attached to a bunch of idiotic garbage and they would use their newfound power for blackest evil, soooooo. I would think Congress not being a proper parliament is one of the root causes of the problem.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf2hT5p8cRc The kids are the republicans.
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Dr. Tough posted:We're basically going to have to deal with this until January 2023 at the earliest. I mean, its possible if they gently caress around with this for long enough that, in a presidential year, the Democrats could make enough gains.
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nachos posted:It really is amazing how 40 R+13 districts have the entire country under lockdown. Power to the people. Remember it's really just the small fraction of people that are primary voters in those districts that are electing the guys that go on to win when the average voter just pulls R or D regardless of who is nominated. I'd estimate it's like 2% of the population if even that that's causing this poo poo show because of how idiotic our system is.
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nachos posted:It really is amazing how 40 R+13 districts have the entire country under lockdown. Power to the people. God, if only the hard-core Dems could've pulled these kinds of stunts back around 2007-2009... ...then this whole mess would have started a lot sooner, of course. 
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Riosan posted:What is happening in the House https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmn9asN-8AE
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So how long until we get a literal, physical brawl in Congress? Like honestly I've been expecting something like this for a couple of years now.
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Shifty Pony posted:Also the rise of non-party money in the form of groups like Heritage Action and the Kochs' Americans For Prosperity has played a big role. Used to be if you didn't step in line you would lose your access to the Party's campaign funds and access to the ability to raise your own but now the opposite it true - if you don't make yourself an active impediment to getting things done you will attacked by a 501(c) group while a primary challenger has millions poured into their campaign. I enjoy that the original meaning of "carrot and stick" approach was to use a stick to dangle a carrot in front of a donkey but it has morphed into beating the donkey with the stick.
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evilweasel posted:I enjoy that the original meaning of "carrot and stick" approach was to use a stick to dangle a carrot in front of a donkey but it has morphed into beating the donkey with the stick. Carrot & Stick has always referred to using a combination of incentives and disincentives to get what you want. The meaning has not changed since its first recorded usage.
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Has this been posted yet? Trump: "I'm never dropping out." quote:Donald Trump has an answer for those asking when he would exit the race: Never. Also: quote:Trump also hinted on Friday that another Republican in the race is about to call it quits. The word is that Rand's been getting a lot of pressure to drop his joke of a presidential bid in order to focus on his senate campaign. But so far he's been refusing.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Asked if Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is going to exit the race soon, Trump said, "I do." I'm sure they actually asked "do you think Paul is going to exit soon," but I love how nonsensical this reads. "Is Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is going to exit the race soon?" "I do."
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Couldn't the House or is it the Senate redraw districts. i thought I had read somewhere that one of the powers of congress was to draw up districting maps.
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Hollismason posted:Couldn't the House or is it the Senate redraw districts. i thought I had read somewhere that one of the powers of congress was to draw up districting maps. Nope! That power belongs to the states, and right now 31 states have fully Republican legislatures, so good luck pushing the needle. 27 were Democratic before the 2010 elections.
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Hollismason posted:Couldn't the House or is it the Senate redraw districts. i thought I had read somewhere that one of the powers of congress was to draw up districting maps. No, states can choose whatever crazy redistricting schemes they want. The only exception are violations of the constitution (so if a districting scheme violates peoples' civil rights, the federal government can intervene).
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evilweasel posted:I enjoy that the original meaning of "carrot and stick" approach was to use a stick to dangle a carrot in front of a donkey but it has morphed into beating the donkey with the stick.  Actually, "carrot and stick" means dangling the carrot in front of the donkey and hitting him with the stick.I used to think the same thing, but the idiom actually isn't supposed to illustrate a cartoon scenario involving a fishing rod. The idea is that you aggressively get somebody to do what you want by both enticing them with a reward and threatening them with retribution. Kind of like 'an offer you can't refuse.' E, fb.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:
Actually, everyone is right. There are just 2 idioms dealing with carrots and sticks: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/03/08/carrot_unstuck/
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