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Hollismason posted:Couldn't the House or is it the Senate redraw districts. i thought I had read somewhere that one of the powers of congress was to draw up districting maps. 30.5 Days posted:No, states can choose whatever crazy redistricting schemes they want. The only exception are violations of the constitution (so if a districting scheme violates peoples' civil rights, the federal government can intervene). ComradeCosmobot posted:Nope! That power belongs to the states, and right now 31 states have fully Republican legislatures, so good luck pushing the needle. The relevant part of the Constitution is: quote:The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations, except as to the places of choosing Senators. Under this power Congress has mandated single-member districts. Congress could alter that. I'm sure it would provoke a legal challenge and wind up being decided by if there were still five Republicans on the Supreme Court, but there is very solid legal backing for Congress to step in and mandate changes to how districts are drawn - or if they exist at all. I believe Congress would be well within its rights to mandate specific methods for districting or simply require that representatives be elected on a statewide basis by proportional representation. I think it would need to be a law though - the House can't do it on its own, it's got to be passed by the House and the Senate and signed by the President.
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quote:Ryan spox to NBC News: "Chairman Ryan appreciates the support he's getting from his colleagues but is still not running for Speaker." CHAOS REIGNS there is now no solution for the Republicans besides (a) keeping Boehner or (b) begging the Democrats to help
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evilweasel posted:CHAOS REIGNS Yeah, I could see them electing Chaos as speaker.
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evilweasel posted:These posts are sort of right but not really: Ah yes. I'd forgotten that old chestnut which came up during the Arizona redistributing case last term. Of course getting Congress to actually pass legislation relating to that is another matter entirely.
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evilweasel posted:These posts are sort of right but not really: Yeah i knew it was some weird trick that US State Legislatures don't want you to know
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showbiz_liz posted:So how long until we get a literal, physical brawl in Congress? Like honestly I've been expecting something like this for a couple of years now. I was hopeful, but that goon from Staten Island who, on camera, threatened to throw a reporter off the rotunda balcony has since resigned in disgrace, and for all their bluster most of the rest of the GOP blowhards are merely that, so we'll have a while to wait I suspect. EDIT: Got my horrible NY islands mixed up. Captain_Maclaine fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Oct 9, 2015 |
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I was hopeful, but that goon from Long Island who, on camera, threatened to throw a reporter off the rotunda balcony has since resigned in disgrace, and for all their bluster most of the rest of the GOP blowhards are merely that, so we'll have a while to wait I suspect. That was Staten Island, not Long Island. Staten Island is also the very same place that decided to reward the DA that let the cops who killed Eric Garner go, by giving him Grimm's old seat. Staten Island is all pretty much over privileged, racist whites. This place is loving awful, they should sink the ferry, blow the bridges and napalm the island till nothing is left
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showbiz_liz posted:So how long until we get a literal, physical brawl in Congress? Like honestly I've been expecting something like this for a couple of years now. We all know this can only be resolved in one way KONGRESS KOMBAT Whoever wins is now The Speaker, their position earned by blood FIGHT
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KomradeX posted:That was Staten Island, not Long Island. Staten Island is also the very same place that decided to reward the DA that let the cops who killed Eric Garner go, by giving him Grimm's old seat. Staten Island is all pretty much over privileged, racist whites. This place is loving awful, they should sink the ferry, blow the bridges and napalm the island till nothing is left My bad, fixed now.
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KomradeX posted:That was Staten Island, not Long Island. Staten Island is also the very same place that decided to reward the DA that let the cops who killed Eric Garner go, by giving him Grimm's old seat. Staten Island is all pretty much over privileged, racist whites. This place is loving awful, they should sink the ferry, blow the bridges and napalm the island till nothing is left I have a conspiracy theory about Staten Island - the fact that it's so difficult to get there from the other boroughs means it can remain a conservative stronghold, because it would be too inconvenient to gentrify it. If there were more frequent ferries to more locations, and/or a subway, Staten Island would look like Hipster Brooklyn inside ten years.
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Monkey Fracas posted:We all know this can only be resolved in one way Say hello to the Speakernator
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Monkey Fracas posted:We all know this can only be resolved in one way I'm waiting for 2016 version with updated moveset for Trump.
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Pox posted:What about Dennis Hastert? He has the necessary experience and knows how to wrangle children. Catching up with the thread.....and holy hell this
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AlternateNu posted:Yeah....it happened again. The news earlier said it happened after a confrontation between some students.
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30.5 Days posted:No, states can choose whatever crazy redistricting schemes they want. The only exception are violations of the constitution (so if a districting scheme violates peoples' civil rights, the federal government can intervene). Texas discovered one weird trick. If they make you redistrict you've already had the vote, that election still counts! Draw up racist lines and they make you redistrict. If you do this every single year, guess what? You get to gerrymander every year instead of every ten years!
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KomradeX posted:That was Staten Island, not Long Island. Staten Island is also the very same place that decided to reward the DA that let the cops who killed Eric Garner go, by giving him Grimm's old seat. Staten Island is all pretty much over privileged, racist whites. This place is loving awful, they should sink the ferry, blow the bridges and napalm the island till nothing is left His district also included my neighborhood of Bay Ridge, which is in Brooklyn. So technically he was both 
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showbiz_liz posted:I have a conspiracy theory about Staten Island - the fact that it's so difficult to get there from the other boroughs means it can remain a conservative stronghold, because it would be too inconvenient to gentrify it. If there were more frequent ferries to more locations, and/or a subway, Staten Island would look like Hipster Brooklyn inside ten years. Well DeBlasio (which always be careful who you bring him up to on Staten Island unless you want to hear about how him and "his dyke wife" hate cops and are destroying the city) is having the ferry run every half hour 24/7 which is nice. But they're trying to gentrify The North Shore of the island what with ask these condos they've got planned, a huge shopping mall on the water front and big gently caress off ferris wheel like the one in. London.
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BrandorKP posted:It's worth listening to Carson on Marketplace today. Kai fucks his poo poo up. Still can't be as brutal as him and Rumsfeld. http://www.marketplace.org/node/92156/player/storyplayer
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I think my favorite part of that Freedom Caucus demands list was the euphemistic use of the word Conservative, in reference to representation on committees and elsewhere. Not just any old Republican, but a proper, Conservative one. Who gets to decide who's a True Conservative or not, you ask? Don't worry, the Freedom Caucus will know.
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Shageletic posted:Still can't be as brutal as him and Rumsfeld. "It's easier to get into something than get out if it" Ha ha ah
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Shifty Pony posted:It would take an absolutely insane situation for Congress to step in and override a state's redistricting. I don't even think a state abandoning popular voting for House members and having the state legislature selecting their reps would be enough to trigger it. That actually WOULD be unconstitutional, under Article I, Section 2: quote:The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature. In other news: The ACLU intends to start doing something about the gently caress barrel, starting in Benton County, Washington. Rick Snyder's emergency managers are really helping the children of Flint!
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nachos posted:It really is amazing how 40 R+13 districts have the entire country under lockdown. Power to the people. It doesn't really need to be R+13. An extremist could get into an R+5 seat in a year like 2010 or 2014 and be relatively safe. Primaries from the center are pretty hard and it would take a miracle or decent-sized scandal to dislodge a Republican in an R+5. Once you get a few cycles in as an incumbent, you've usually got enough constituent services reputation, positive in-district publicity, and a large enough political machine to be relatively safe.
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quote:@scottbix: Three GOP Hill staffers in the past hour have told me that they're expecting McCarthy's resignation by Monday. Rep. Ellmers, too.  Also, expect Kasich's numbers to rise after this exchange: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMN2Whn9DNg
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Want to be speaker of the house? I really am Boehner, I bumbled my way into his strategy from earlier this year and got "You succeeded, but it wasn't pretty." The game also pretends that an extended shutdown would backfire horribly on the GOP which is kind of adorable and optimistic. Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Oct 9, 2015 |
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evilweasel posted:CHAOS REIGNS CNN is reporting he's telling members he's thinking about it. So I guess it didn't take six months after all.
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If I were Ryan I wouldn't go near this thing. It's pretty much political seppuku for someone with higher aspirations who is already an extremely powerful House member.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:If I were Ryan I wouldn't go near this thing. It's pretty much political seppuku for someone with higher aspirations who is already an extremely powerful House member. @CostaReport: Westmoreland on his latest convo w/ Ryan: “I encouraged him. He just smiled.” QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Oct 9, 2015 |
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Riosan posted:No doubt they would pull the knives out on Saint Reagan himself. The omnicide caucus is feeling their oats. Ryan wasn't their VP after all. We are in interesting times, and it is glorious.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:If I were Ryan I wouldn't go near this thing. It's pretty much political seppuku for someone with higher aspirations who is already an extremely powerful House member. He clearly has no interest in the role. I think what he may be contemplating is if he can even keep his other ambitions while turning it down - he'd face a real risk of being blamed for the chaos for being unwilling to step up - and potentially if being begged into the speakership gives him the ability to avoid the Freedom Caucus demands (not likely).
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evilweasel posted:He clearly has no interest in the role. I think what he may be contemplating is if he can even keep his other ambitions while turning it down - he'd face a real risk of being blamed for the chaos for being unwilling to step up - and potentially if being begged into the speakership gives him the ability to avoid the Freedom Caucus demands (not likely). As this drags on an on and gets worse and worse and things get more and more dire for the party, I don't see how he resists becoming Republican Cincinnatus and saving their asses. The pressure from his colleagues has got to be immense.
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evilweasel posted:He clearly has no interest in the role. I think what he may be contemplating is if he can even keep his other ambitions while turning it down - he'd face a real risk of being blamed for the chaos for being unwilling to step up - and potentially if being begged into the speakership gives him the ability to avoid the Freedom Caucus demands (not likely). Amazing how it's always everyone but the hostage taker who gets the blame for situations spiraling out of control
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QuoProQuid posted:Has there been any discussion about going outside the House for a Speaker? There has. From Newt Gingrich.
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greatn posted:Oh man proportional representation would be so good. Should probably also increase the number of representatives too though.
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