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evilweasel posted:Members of the Freedom Caucus have openly supported Ryan and few will bash him publicly. They're insane, of course, but I think enough of them like him that they won't vote as a bloc since I believe that requires 85% per their rules. That'd be best for the GOP honestly, the tea party itself could fracture instead of the GOP.
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skaboomizzy posted:Paul Ryan: not conservative enough to be speaker?  We're never going to have a speaker again, are we? Poor Boehner (not really, gently caress him)
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Riosan posted:Kasich could have been a strong contender had Trump not flipped traditional political thinking on its head. Now he just looks like a 'me too' candidate alongside Jeb! Kasich was certainly banking on being the whitest piece of bread. Worked great in the 2012 primary!
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pathetic little tramp posted:Doesn't sound like this one even got any rounds off at least, sounds like a guy was seen with a gun and got taken down before he could do anything. God dammit, we almost had a hat trick!
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Oct 9, 2015 22:07
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A Winner is Jew posted:Yeah, everything I've read about the TPP points to it being one giant "gently caress China" trade agreement that's being made with all of their usual trade partners. The IP stuff looks like everyone has to just adopt US IP law while getting a ton of concessions for them to do businesses with the US and each other while cutting off working with China. Yes, the entire plan from the beginning was countries that were dependent on Chinese trade wanting to say "gently caress China", which has proved a pressing need with recent stumbles in the Chinese market. Also the Australians claim they got the US to back down on nearly all the medicine related stuff which was the only real worry.
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Oct 9, 2015 22:09
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Nintendo Kid posted:Yes, the entire plan from the beginning was countries that were dependent on Chinese trade wanting to say "gently caress China", which has proved a pressing need with recent stumbles in the Chinese market. Oh really? What about all the stuff about intellectual property, internet data privacy and so forth? Keep in mind that I haven't read the document myself and have only heard a bunch of articles and so forth talking about how the TPP is awful.
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Oct 9, 2015 22:12
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evilweasel posted:Members of the Freedom Caucus have openly supported Ryan and few will bash him publicly. They're insane, of course, but I think enough of them like him that they won't vote as a bloc since I believe that requires 85% per their rules. USPOL October: They're Insane, Of Course.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:USPOL October: They're Insane, Of Course. USPOL October: Where we're going, we won't need Speakers to lead
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Oct 9, 2015 22:14
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Artificer posted:Found on Reddit, but apparently the final draft of TPP was leaked on Wikileaks? It's hard to trust WL on presenting it fairly when they were the ones putting a bounty out for leaks when it didn't even exist and then trying to post leaks of a thing that didn't exist. Like, saying 'I found this on Reddit from wikileaks' might as well be 'my drunk uncle told me this at thanksgiving' at this point when it comes to TPP.
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Artificer posted:Oh really? What about all the stuff about intellectual property, internet data privacy and so forth? Keep in mind that I haven't read the document myself and have only heard a bunch of articles and so forth talking about how the TPP is awful. What about those concern you, what is 'the stuff'?
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Oct 9, 2015 22:17
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Nintendo Kid posted:Yes, the entire plan from the beginning was countries that were dependent on Chinese trade wanting to say "gently caress China", which has proved a pressing need with recent stumbles in the Chinese market. Are they gone as in scaled down to not be a massive handout to pharmaceutical companies but will still gently caress over the poor, or gone as in 100% gone? Haven't seen what Australia got the US to compromise on that and that was literally the only part of the TPP that I really didn't like.
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Make that four shootings.  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/1-dead-1-wounded-1-detained-in-shooting-near-texas-southern-university/ar-AAfhRmO
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evilweasel posted:Members of the Freedom Caucus have openly supported Ryan and few will bash him publicly. They're insane, of course, but I think enough of them like him that they won't vote as a bloc since I believe that requires 85% per their rules. At this point I don't think that they want anybody because they're adopting a strategy of not being satisfied with anything and trying to force everyone else to offer concessions in order to prevent imminent disaster.
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TheKennedys posted:Make that four shootings. Still only two. Texas and Arizona.
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Should just expel the lot of them tbh.
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Buffer posted:Should just expel the lot of them tbh. Nahh, just force reconstruction on them.
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Artificer posted:Oh really? What about all the stuff about intellectual property, internet data privacy and so forth? Keep in mind that I haven't read the document myself and have only heard a bunch of articles and so forth talking about how the TPP is awful. Can you be specific on what you want to know about? I'll remind you that no one before like 4 weeks ago was talking about anything verifiably coming from the actual negotiators or documents. A Winner is Jew posted:Are they gone as in scaled down to not be a massive handout to pharmaceutical companies but will still gently caress over the poor, or gone as in 100% gone? Haven't seen what Australia got the US to compromise on that and that was literally the only part of the TPP that I really didn't like. The articles from the Australian media seem pretty optimistic: http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/04/andrew-robb-australia-and-us-close-to-drug-patent-compromise-for-tpp-deal The big thing that was still at issue in recent years was whether to make data exclusivity stay at 5 years (current term in Australia, and New Zealand, and many other countries) or expand it to 8 years (which might already be the standard in the US). Either way, the actual patent terms have been the same in all the countries involved, same as in the US, but changing the number of years of data exclusivity means it would take longer for generics to be on the market, in many cases, after the drug patent dies, even though the period is still up years and years before the patent is. Things like "Australia has to give up its prescription price enforcement thing" were unacceptable in negotiation flat out, even if it had been proposed. No parties had anything available to give up in return for asking for that. I do have to ask: what were you expecting that was going to be "a massive handout to pharmaceutical companies"?
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We elected a leader whose head is now in a basket. Would you like to take it out and ask it "Who should be the next speaker, John Boehner's head?" "Uh, do whatever you want, I'm super dead!" The right wing is leading! The right wing is rioting! Frankly, I find it a little disquieting that would let you ideology blind you to reality. Peter King! Yes sir? Draft a statement of brutality.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:It's hard to trust WL on presenting it fairly when they were the ones putting a bounty out for leaks when it didn't even exist and then trying to post leaks of a thing that didn't exist. Like, saying 'I found this on Reddit from wikileaks' might as well be 'my drunk uncle told me this at thanksgiving' at this point when it comes to TPP. Ah, fair enough. Tatum Girlparts posted:What about those concern you, what is 'the stuff'? Things like: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c9a9_story.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/business/trans-pacific-partnership-seen-as-door-for-foreign-suits-against-us.html?_r=0 That seems silly, doesn't it? Of course the actual text of the clause mentioned isn't quoted, and I can't confirm if it is actually in there, but if there are provisions like that in the TPP then that does seem worrying.
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Hooded Reptile posted:US: North Korea 'likely preparing' weapons test Just in time for the 70th anniversary of the Worker's Party. 
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Nintendo Kid posted:Can you be specific on what you want to know about? I'll remind you that no one before like 4 weeks ago was talking about anything verifiably coming from the actual negotiators or documents. And yeah the articles I posted were from before anyone knew anything verifiable. I guess maybe I should reserve judgement after all?
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea until recently everyone saying "THE TPP IS GONNA DESTROY IP AND BAN ANIME AND BASICALLY KILL THE INTERNET" had literally no source for that other than their own rear end. Huh. I wonder where all the uproar came from then? What was the impetus for the rear end talking?
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Article 2.1 of the TPP states that “No Party may require, as a condition of registration, that a sign be visually perceptible, nor may a Party deny registration of a trademark solely on the grounds that the sign of which it is composed is a sound or a scent.” wat?
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Nintendo Kid posted:I do have to ask: what were you expecting that was going to be "a massive handout to pharmaceutical companies"? IIRC there was something that read like it would force a kind of Medicare part D onto all the nations which was a huge handout to pharmaceutical companies in the US along with greatly expanding how long it would take before generic drugs could be manufactured for even domestic consumption which would be a huge "gently caress you" to the poor in nations that signed on.
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Buffer posted:Should just expel the lot of them tbh. It's ludicrously implausible but has the advantages that Democrats would probably go along with the plan with no concessions since hey, open seats while the Republicans would still hold the majority and could elect a speaker of their choosing.
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Artificer posted:Huh. I wonder where all the uproar came from then? What was the impetus for the rear end talking? In 2013 people uploaded a bunch of random snippets and commentaries claimed to be "from the TPP" to Wikileaks. Hooded Reptile posted:Article 2.1 of the TPP states that “No Party may require, as a condition of registration, that a sign be visually perceptible, nor may a Party deny registration of a trademark solely on the grounds that the sign of which it is composed is a sound or a scent.” It's saying that sounds and scents may be trademarked. This has been true for a long time: you know the Intel jingle? That's a sound trademark. So is the old AT&T one, and the NBC chimes. A Winner is Jew posted:IIRC there was something that read like it would force a kind of Medicare part D onto all the nations which was a huge handout to pharmaceutical companies in the US along with greatly expanding how long it would take before generic drugs could be manufactured for even domestic consumption which would be a huge "gently caress you" to the poor in nations that signed on. Yeah that's something that if it was proposed would be staunchly vetoed by Australia and New Zealand, and they're both really important nations ot the whole deal to begin with. Nintendo Kid fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Oct 9, 2015 |
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Artificer posted:Huh. I wonder where all the uproar came from then? What was the impetus for the rear end talking? Someone really wanted to pretend like they are in Deus Ex.
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computer parts posted:Someone really wanted to pretend like they are in Deus Ex. "I didn't ask for this." Paul Ryan, right now, probably.
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computer parts posted:Someone really wanted to pretend like they are in Deus Ex. Rhetoric? And you believe it?
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Could Nancy Pelosi be the next speaker of the House? ???????????? The system, however, falls apart if “not enough people” in the majority party back the party’s candidate. Moreover, we can quantify what “not enough people” actually equals: the key here is the number of seats over and above the bare minimum needed to win a majority vote. In the US House of Representatives, that number is 218 (435/2 = 217.5). If a party holds the majority by a single seat — 218 vs. 217 — then essentially every single member of the majority party could, in theory, threaten to defect to the minority party and defeat the nominee of the majority party. lol
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Hooded Reptile posted:Could Nancy Pelosi be the next speaker of the House? If you find a way to prevent 60 Republicans from showing up for an extended time, thus reducing the margin required for a majority to the Democratic caucus, then yes, Pelosi becomes speaker.
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Nintendo Kid posted:If you find a way to prevent 60 Republicans from showing up for an extended time, thus reducing the margin required for a majority to the Democratic caucus, then yes, Pelosi becomes speaker. I'm not saying anyone should do this, but I can find around 40 Republicans that meet in one place and if something where to happen like a gas explosion...
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Nintendo Kid posted:If you find a way to prevent 60 Republicans from showing up for an extended time, thus reducing the margin required for a majority to the Democratic caucus, then yes, Pelosi becomes speaker. Mass salmonella outbreak from bad chicken tacos?
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A Winner is Jew posted:I'm not saying anyone should do this, but I can find around 40 Republicans that meet in one place and if something where to happen like a gas explosion... If John Boehner walks into Tortilla Coast, hit the decks.
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Cabbit posted:"I didn't ask for this." Paul Ryan, right now, probably.
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Hooded Reptile posted:Article 2.1 of the TPP states that “No Party may require, as a condition of registration, that a sign be visually perceptible, nor may a Party deny registration of a trademark solely on the grounds that the sign of which it is composed is a sound or a scent.” It sounds like fancy contract talk for 'scents and sounds can count as a trademark when part of a company's identity'. Not sure about scents but in places like Japan and South Korea (they're part of this too right?) jingles are HUGE, I imagine a lot of companies would be pissed if suddenly the cute little notes they strung together to ensure their brand took root in people's memories were used by everyone.
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