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Well that's good, nice to hear he's pro expanding DACA style programs. Obviously it would have been very surprising if he went full Trump with "ACTUALLY KICK EM ALL OUT AND LOCK THE DOOR" but his lack of solid statements about stuff like naturalizing the guys already here, visa programs, the general complete farce of an immigration system seemed to raise some hackles.
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It makes sense, we have a pretty good-sized Hispanic community here in Colorado, though probably not as much in Boulder...
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Yea can't speak for Boulder but Colorado in general is a solid place to focus on immigration issues. Lots of room to talk about the real issues to an audience who probably cares about them without the shadow of "MR CANDIDATE SHOULD WE NOT PUT A SELF HEALING MINEFIELD ON THE BORDER THO" due to location.
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SubponticatePoster posted:Well sure, but can't the party itself say "you're not a Republican, go run as a LIbertarian" or something? The thing is that where the parties get a say, these sorts of decisions are made at the local or congressional district level which in tea party districts tend to be tea-party-controlled. Just because the national leadership and/or people in think tanks and opinion columns hate this stuff doesn't mean it's not popular with a solid chunk of the lower-level party folks.
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That's the key problem with the tea party, the GOP has been stoking neo-fascists and archconservatives for so long that they now comprise a significant part of the local party structure.
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Mitt Romney posted:Looks like Clinton's email "scandal" is going to reverse even more for the GOP: They really could only keep the Benghazi train going for so long.
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Prosecution claims shooting of Tamir Rice was "tragic but reasonable" For those who have trouble keeping all the names straight, this was the 12 year old boy who was playing with a toy gun in a park and swiftly executed by police arriving on the scene. The 911 caller claimed he believed the gun was fake, and police did not offer any aid as the boy lay dying (he died the next day). Video exists and is brutal.
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A Bag of Milk posted:Prosecution claims shooting of Tamir Rice was "tragic but reasonable" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhVewrqGFRw I'm giving you 1 second to comply, then i'm shoot you, handcuff your sister, and blame the media.
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Cabbit posted:Las Vegas, so absolutely abysmal. Came as a bit of a shock when I did a bachelor's degree in Texas and found out that my grasp of math was sub-HS even by their standards. Oh gently caress theres your problem. I'm legitimately sorry for you, Las Vegas is the cesspit of the west.
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Oct 11, 2015 01:58
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Mitt Romney posted:Looks like Clinton's email "scandal" is going to reverse even more for the GOP: this is almost as good as realizing that mccarthy is a blathering moron when it comes to speaking outloud quote:Podliska, who described himself as a conservative Republican, told CNN that he decided to come forward because he didn't feel the committee was carrying out its stated purpose to uncover the truth about the deaths of the four Americans who died in the September 11, 2012 attacks in Benghazi. lol theyre hosed
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joeburz posted:this is almost as good as realizing that mccarthy is a blathering moron when it comes to speaking outloud seems like everything is falling apart for the GOP of late. Good
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Little-known fact: The Constitution does not require that the Speaker of the House be a member of Congress. This got us thinking -- always dangerous, but also fun. Why should those wild and crazy Republicans, whose caucus is reminiscent of the Washington Nationals' dugout, elevate one of their own to that august chair? Why not think way out of the box to find a new leader?
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Oct 11, 2015 02:27
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Honestly, the GOP has struck out twice now. Boehner leaving, McCarthy refusing, and now if Paul Ryan has any goddamn sense he'd flee back to his district or claim that he cannot do the job because of family obligations. The far right will destroy Ryan as soon as he says " Okay, maybe we shouldn't send the world economy into global depression" . If Ryan compromises then he's out. Just like Eric Cantor. Going into the Speaker Job from what I understand Boehner was pretty well respected now most of the base now hates him because they are all loving crazy.
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That's not a little known fact ITT.
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joeburz posted:this is almost as good as realizing that mccarthy is a blathering moron when it comes to speaking outloud I really, really hope he was smart enough (or they were dumb enough) to have something written down.
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Peel posted:Is it possible to force Boehner out? No. Both because no one can currently agree on a new speaker, and also because he already said he's leaving, so it's impossible to force him out.
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The best scenario is The GOP cannibalizing any experienced politician. Then watching people like Dave Brat get into those coveted seats of long standing Republicans with actual experience and completely making GBS threads the bed. https://twitter.com/RepDaveBrat?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor Like seriously this is what these fuckers believe: quote:The next Speaker should make these 10 commitments before stepping into the position of trust. 2. Encourage committees to advance market-driven health care reforms to replace Obamacare. 3. Support policies that secure the border and enable interior enforcement while opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants. 4. Urge all committees to advance agendas based on limited government, economic opportunity, and fiscal responsibility. 5. Enforce the rule of law and separation of powers against executive (presidential) overreach. Process 6. Seek reforms of the Republican Conference Rules so leadership committees better represent the American people. 7. Adhere to the majority-of-the-majority principle for bringing legislation to the floor. 8. Support changes to the budget process to promote fiscal responsibility, particularly regarding mandatory programs (70% of current spending). 9. Empower committee members to choose chairs and craft reform legislation without fear of retaliation. 10. Broaden opportunities to offer amendments and legislation on the House floor with full debate. [/quote] This is basically the future of the GOP. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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Oct 11, 2015 02:31
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Make bobby jindah the speaker. do it.
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Peel posted:Is it possible to force Boehner out? Yes but it'd only get like 30 votes total.
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So, let's say they go full 1860s and consider amending House rules to permit a plurality Speaker. The Freedom Caucus doesn't have the numbers to keeps the non Tortilla Coasters from electing a Republican with out them. The remaining Republican members posses enough votes today keeps the gavel from Nancy. So, by my reading of the situation, the Democrats don't have any incentive to back a rules change. So I'm guessing they ride it out until the Republicans get their poo poo straight or the  Moderate Republicans come to them to broker a compromise Speaker. Thoughts?
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Hooded Reptile posted:Make bobby jindah the speaker. do it. Yes, yeeeees
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They don't compromise because they are crazy people.
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Hollismason posted:If Ryan compromises then he's out. Just like Eric Cantor. Going into the Speaker Job from what I understand Boehner was pretty well respected now most of the base now hates him because they are all loving crazy. Just a small note here, Cantor got primaried because he was a real dumb motherfucker. He was actively hostile toward the base that elected him to his position, and didn't understand that Dems being ejected from his district after the 2010 census redistricting meant he'd have to deal with more right wingers. It wasn't just a general anti-establishment sentiment that cost Cantor his job. That was certainly a piece of it, but Cantor worked hard for years to piss people off. He hadn't bothered to actually run a proper campaign since 2000, and his response to Brat was loving campaign ads instead of actual campaigning. ErIog fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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Right but it was still a serious loss for the Republican party in terms of leadership just like it's a loss of leadership for Boehner to retire. It'll be a further loss if Ryan doesn't accept the job or the first time he pisses them off they have someone who's looney tunes run in his district. Like the Republican party with Cantor really did shoot itself in it's foot. Brat literally believes in a Theocratic government.
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Mitt Romney posted:Looks like Clinton's email "scandal" is going to reverse even more for the GOP: Not at all a surprise but utterly hilarious nonetheless and if they did fire him partly because he had active duty obligations then Christmas has come early.
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How many Charlie Dent-esque moderate R's are left in the House anyway? I want to see a Northeast Caucus get into a floor brawl with the Freedom Caucus.
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DOOP posted:How many Charlie Dent-esque moderate R's are left in the House anyway? I want to see a Northeast Caucus get into a floor brawl with the Freedom Caucus. I want this to happen so Raul Labrador gets a black eye.
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Rygar201 posted:So, let's say they go full 1860s and consider amending House rules to permit a plurality Speaker. The Freedom Caucus doesn't have the numbers to keeps the non Tortilla Coasters from electing a Republican with out them. The remaining Republican members posses enough votes today keeps the gavel from Nancy. Democrats in the house actually care about national elections, so I wouldn't be surprised if the plan is to reject anything but unconditional surrender in the form of electing Pelosi or her direct successor, or allow the republicans to flail until 2016.
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mcclay posted:Oh gently caress theres your problem. I'm legitimately sorry for you, Las Vegas is the cesspit of the west. It really, really is. I'd move back to just about any part of Texas in a heartbeat to escape this human wasteland.
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So Jerry Brown approved automatic voter registration in California today. http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gov-brown-on-motor-voter-bill-20150917-story.html God, I love my state.
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Hooded Reptile posted:Make bobby jindah the speaker. do it. That's one way to get rid of the demons in the capitol building.
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cbservo posted:So Jerry Brown approved automatic voter registration in California today. That's only if you visit a DMV. There's already a federal program to register to vote at DMVs, this just makes it mandatory instead of voluntary.
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computer parts posted:That's only if you visit a DMV. There's already a federal program to register to vote at DMVs, this just makes it mandatory instead of voluntary. It doesn't make it mandatory, it makes it so that they are registered by default, rather than opt-in. People can still opt out though.
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Mitt Romney posted:Looks like Clinton's email "scandal" is going to reverse even more for the GOP: to be fair. everyone on both sides already knew this, it was an open secret that no one could "confirm". now its done.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:It doesn't make it mandatory, it makes it so that they are registered by default, rather than opt-in. People can still opt out though. When they sure to declare this unconstitutional, mandatory is going to be the word they use. My client doesn't want to be on a list of registered voters, it's a violation of his free speech to have mandatory registration, as his decision to not register is an act of protest.
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joeburz posted:this is almost as good as realizing that mccarthy is a blathering moron when it comes to speaking outloud A conservative Republican Air Force reserve major turning on the Benghazi committee after being fired for not being a political tool and for taking leave to serve his country? Color me skeptical, just because it seems almost too perfect.
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greatn posted:When they sure to declare this unconstitutional, mandatory is going to be the word they use. My client doesn't want to be on a list of registered voters, it's a violation of his free speech to have mandatory registration, as his decision to not register is an act of protest. Its not mandatory, its just switched from opt-in to opt-out
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The Glumslinger posted:Its not mandatory, its just switched from opt-in to opt-out I'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure Republicans have lawyers working on a case to declare this law illegal. I don't think they'll succeed, but it will be a hostile transparent show off contempt for voters.
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