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cheetah7071 posted:Prices being low is a good thing unless you're a terrible person. It costs more than 2.5 million to make astral silk.
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Oct 10, 2015 18:36
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Its simply a problem of supply and demand. No one has bought astral silk for days. Anything that low volume that gets a huge influx of supply is going to cause prices to crater.
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Oct 10, 2015 18:39
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cheetah7071 posted:Prices being low is a good thing unless you're a seller trying to make the time you spend gathering and manfacturing goods worthwhile, or a buyer interested in a steady supply because there is incentive to produce in the first place, so basically too low prices hurt more than half of the marketplace. ftfy,  at macroeconomics scrub
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Oct 10, 2015 18:40
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Fister Roboto posted:It costs more than 2.5 million to make astral silk. unless you gathered all the mats yourself, then its free!
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Oct 10, 2015 18:43
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Mr. Nice! posted:Its simply a problem of supply and demand. No one has bought astral silk for days. Anything that low volume that gets a huge influx of supply is going to cause prices to crater. I know. Doesn't make it any less frustrating. I guess there's just a ton of people taking the "I farmed the mats myself, IT'S FREE" philosophy.
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Oct 10, 2015 18:43
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Or maybe to them the lost opportunity cost of a 200k difference between selling the mats is worth it to have more available retainer selling space to sell completed goods - they're basically paying gil rather than bux for more retainer slots
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Oct 10, 2015 18:54
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I know that I really ought to take advantage of the low prices and turn it into crafting gear, but everything is so hyper-specialized that it would be a miracle if it ever sold.
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Oct 10, 2015 19:13
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turn it into crafting gear and then sell it to me for pennies to the dollar
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Oct 10, 2015 19:23
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So the market crashed at last? I feel like I missed some millions of gils for not playing the past months.
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Oct 10, 2015 19:29
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If the value of the Either the silk will go back up or the mats to make the silk will go down. Not perhaps immediately, especially in a slow moving market, and you'll always get the people who try (and continually fail) to sell at inflated prices because that was the value when they first got it and dammit they're gonna get the "full value". But it'll even out until it reaches a balance point where it's priced high enough for people to bother getting/making it to sell it, and low enough for people to be willing to shell out money for it, evening out supply and demand. You'll still get people buying the mats for more than the silk occasionally, just because people sometimes spend more money than they need to because they're too dumb and/or lazy to consider alternatives. But at that point it's (lower actual value of mats) + (stupidity/laziness tax).
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Oct 10, 2015 19:38
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Elentor posted:So the market crashed at last? I feel like I missed some millions of gils for not playing the past months. Not entirely. Some goods still go for high amounts, like birch logs going for 1300 per log on Excalibur at the moment. A lot of the extreme outliers like Thavnarian silk have dropped considerably though, so you won't be making or paying a million gil per silk anymore. More like 400k which is a little more manageable.
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Oct 10, 2015 22:18
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Birch logs are really weird, because they're a byproduct of a couple of other in-demand items: Void Nuts and Furymint. You'd think they'd have crashed way harder than they actually did.
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Oct 10, 2015 22:22
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Niton posted:Birch logs are really weird, because they're a byproduct of a couple of other in-demand items: Void Nuts and Furymint. You'd think they'd have crashed way harder than they actually did. People would probably rather go for birch sap, since it's not hidden and it's used for marron glace.
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Oct 10, 2015 22:23
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Also who actually gathers at the generic nodes when they're farming Furymint?
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Oct 10, 2015 22:28
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I care so little about actually making any money in this game that I tend to sell everything I gather or craft for either half or a quarter of the lowest market price. I just get pleasure knowing that someone will be happy grabbing a gnarly bargain.
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Oct 10, 2015 22:31
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Solefald posted:I just get pleasure knowing that someone will be happy grabbing a gnarly bargain. And immediately reselling it for 200%
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Oct 10, 2015 22:40
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Shy posted:And immediately reselling it for 200% Time value of money my friend. I sold a gesthal today for 1mil when they were over 2m on the MB because I'd rather have the cash than wait and a goon was the one buying it.
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Oct 11, 2015 02:28
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Yeah, gil is much better early so you can start earning interest on it sooner rather than later.
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Oct 11, 2015 03:20
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I wish I had more time to play this beautiful game, and that o didn't love the side quests so I could keep up with msq and not be 8-9 levels higher than it. This is Logan shade in game btw. For anyone who is interested in ye game or is just starting out join tpt. Lots of cool generous motherfuvkers who help noobs
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Oct 11, 2015 03:27
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If you're playing the economy game, then it's freeing liquid assets to reinvest into less-flooded and more profitable niche markets, and if you're not paying the economy then you're paying a 50% commission to get the money within seconds so you can actually get on with buying stuff and playing
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Oct 11, 2015 03:27
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There's a pretty rapid dropoff of ROI by how much you undercut though. One gil is enough to be the first one most people would buy, 10%ish is enough to make people not care where you're selling an expensive item from, much more than that you're just trying to get people who will snatch it up to flip in which case listing it at half price is throwing gil away when you could sell it just as fast at 20%ish off. Stop making excuses for being bad at economics.
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Oct 11, 2015 04:03
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i bought a company hat and escheststststson today b/c both were less than 300k gil im gay ergo if you're bad at economics your gay like me pm me if you want a good time for gil
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Oct 11, 2015 04:23
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I bought a house. If I blow up my FC room do I get the goods back so I can put them in my house? Assuming I can blow the room up myself at least. Maybe that only happens if booted from an FC?
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Oct 11, 2015 04:28
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The market board is not a fun part of Final Fantasy 14: A Realm Reborn so I list at a number that is easy to input on controller, whatever that means for the % markdown.
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Oct 11, 2015 04:38
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nuru posted:I bought a house. If I blow up my FC room do I get the goods back so I can put them in my house? You get your items back* but you don't get the 300k gil for the room back * Some items like the Behemoth Bust will explode if you remove them after placing them. It'll warn you before you try to move them though.
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Oct 11, 2015 04:47
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nuru posted:I bought a house. If I blow up my FC room do I get the goods back so I can put them in my house? You have to empty the room of all furnishings before you can vacate it. If your room is forcibly vacated because you leave or are kicked from the FC, you have 35 days to go claim your stuff from the housing coordinator.
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Oct 11, 2015 05:05
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cheetah7071 posted:The market board is not a fun part of Final Fantasy 14: A Realm Reborn so I list at a number that is easy to input on controller, whatever that means for the % markdown. Yeah the MB interface is horrid - doesn't remember prices that you set even in the same session, doesn't default to the lowest current price but rather the npc sell value, can't ctrl+click or anything to put an item name into the search bar. It's better than 11's interface but that's really not saying much.
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Oct 11, 2015 06:57
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LunarShadow posted:Would you happen to be on Balmung? Timing and details makes me think you are someone I know. No, I'm on Excalibur with the rest of the goons. Also, shout out to the guy who named his/her retainer Tombradysucks, that's a pro name.
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Oct 11, 2015 07:55
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megalodong posted:Yeah the MB interface is horrid - doesn't remember prices that you set even in the same session, doesn't default to the lowest current price but rather the npc sell value, can't ctrl+click or anything to put an item name into the search bar. It's better than 11's interface but that's really not saying much. I think the game is in dire need of a UI overhaul, not just for the market board but for pretty much everything.
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Oct 11, 2015 08:25
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I wouldn't mind being able to buy one or two of an item from a stack of 99.
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Oct 11, 2015 08:36
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You're a sucker and a rube if you're doing any crafting or gathering class that isn't fisher. Join the relaxed collective
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Oct 11, 2015 08:40
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Unguided posted:I wouldn't mind being able to buy one or two of an item from a stack of 99. Holy gently caress empty quote this post forever.
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Oct 11, 2015 09:22
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Unguided posted:I wouldn't mind being able to buy one or two of an item from a stack of 99. They'll never let you do that or dungeon/FATE party with your chocobo out or make a sensible housing system.
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Oct 11, 2015 09:25
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Whizbang posted:They'll never let you do that or dungeon/FATE party with your chocobo out or make a sensible housing system. Something something ps3 limitations.
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Oct 11, 2015 10:06
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I think in the case of chocobos it's 'something something 1.0 carryover'.
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Oct 11, 2015 11:05
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I've really been enjoying healing so far. I've never healed in an MMO before, and I actually really enjoy it. Granted, I've only done two dungeons, but between them I've had a really good tank, and a pretty bad one (the latter tank was probably new, admittedly), and so far both runs have been successful in that I haven't let anyone die yet. I know it's just Sastasha and Tam-Tara, and they're basically babby's first dungeon, learn-the-ropes type deals, but hey, I can't argue with the fun I've had. Is there anything down the road I should keep in mind if I'm going to go White Mage in the future? Also, I have a question about Fantasias, since I got one in the mail recently for being subbed for 30 days, I think... Do I get a name change when I use it, or is it purely a race/appearance thing? I've been tempted a little bit to go from Elezen to Roe, but I don't want to do it if I have to keep the name I have, which I'm not 100% fond of. I used a random last name because I couldn't think of one at the time.
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Oct 11, 2015 14:28
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Fantasia will just do your appearance, you can pay for a namechange on mogstation if you're so inclined.
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Oct 11, 2015 14:33
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There are two parts to being a healer. A decent healer will keep everyone alive. A great healer will contribute to DPS while doing the same. As a white mage you get access to various HoT abilities that really make it easy for you to toss out a couple of those, go to cleric stance, and start laying down the pain.
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Oct 11, 2015 14:36
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Fister Roboto posted:I think the game is in dire need of a UI overhaul, not just for the market board but for pretty much everything. The game asks for too many goddamn confirmations before you actually do anything, mounting and interacting with stuff is a pain in the rear end (why can't you initiate levequests while mounted?). Like what possible reason is there to require a confirmation to interact with the cloud altars in Neverreap? I have an egg and I've clicked on the altar, why ask me if I want to put an egg there? Why do I need a confirmation to enter doors? I'm at the door and I clicked on the door. There's your goddamn confirmation.
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I just grabbed the trial here and had a friend from work also send me a recruit a friend invite when that ends and I pick it up. I generally go the DPS route as in other games that is more forgiving of mistakes for the party, so I have selected Lancer with hopes of some day being a Dragoon. Any advice for a first time player? Specific crafting skills to start early on? Any go to resource for item databases, etc.? Also, since I am starting out for the first time and a realm reborn has already occurred am I missing out on the story that occurred from 1.0 to 2.0 or will the game catch me up?
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