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Actually you know what I don't care. So people were talking about the Democrats in the House just sitting on their hands through 2016 to try to get through the elections. And the thing that worries me about that is, you know, someone needs to rum the country. We need to keep raising the debt ceiling. That's the worrying thing to me - that no one can keep their hand on the rudder enough to make sure things actually continue to function. Bob Ojeda fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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What we actually need to do is to go back to where things were in like the 80s/early 90s, where the debt ceiling was raised automatically by bills making appropriations in excess of revenue. There was no need to manually raise it as necessary then.
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Oct 11, 2015 16:35
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Ideally it will be abolished the next time either party achieves total legislative control.
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Oct 11, 2015 16:39
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There's not really anything they can do. Your options are: - A republican / democratic governing coalition or a speaker with votes from both. - 30 moderate republicans crossing the aisle to do things (and they may as well just flip parties if they do this). - Food poisoning incident at the tortilla coast knocks out 30-40 republicans on the eve of a speaker vote. Waiter who failed to wash hands after handling raw chicken heralded as national hero. - Expulsion of the freedom / suicide caucus. The most fun option. Works around a lot of these problems as the Republicans would retain a majority. 217 -> 188 and the speaker threshold would lower to 203 votes. Requires 112 republicans + all the Democrats and sets an awesome precedent that might help defuse some of the primary from the right by < 2% of the electorate shenanigans. - Congress functions off discharge petitions and Boehner not giving a gently caress. 30 moderates crossing the aisle again and again. - Change the rules to allow speaker based on plurality instead of majority or some such. - The republicans getting their poo poo together It's all on the republicans, there's gently caress all the Democrats can do. It's fun that they're all putting party above country though.
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Oct 11, 2015 16:46
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Plurality Speaker and expulsions are out. Democrats biting to permit a plurality Speaker is giving them an out, and expulsions in this case would be stunningly undemocratic.
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Oct 11, 2015 16:51
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Bob Ojeda posted:And the thing that worries me about that is, you know, someone needs to rum the country. Don't worry, lifting the embargo on Cuba will help with that. 
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Oct 11, 2015 17:01
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:First Bad Bernie position I've seen. The AWB was a bad law and doesn't need to be brough back. There are other better ways to improve gun control, including better funding for the instant background check system. Really? Bernie opposing nuclear power: http://atomicinsights.com/senator-bernie-sanders-i-vt-thinks-nuclear-is-too-expensive-and-produces-waste-that-no-one-wants-i-disagree/ Bernie evangelizing alternatives to medicine: http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/sanders-remarks-on-complementary-and-alternative-health-care More interesting is how Bernie used opposing gun control to get into the senate after losing senate bids over and over. Bernie and support from the NRA: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8059_story.html Really significant in the NRA piece is the Bernie quote about technically running a clean campaign while letting others ( the NRA ) go negative against his opponent and be attack dogs for him. Bernie sanders aide from the first senate race he won posted:
You don't need a pac to do that. You don't even need $$$. The NRA did it for free then and Redditors/etc are doing it for free now. Just find someone who doesn't like your opponent and reach out the hand of friendship to them. Then sit back and watch the poo fly. http://www.sanders.senate.gov/reddit-ama Edit: formatting. McAlister fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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Oct 11, 2015 17:19
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So fun random thing that nobody cares about in the real world: every Sunday, the local station usually airs the Presidental Address and Minority Party Address. They get released on Saturdays normally, but DC being DC, they air it after Meet The Press and before football. But now that there's a football roundtable in the timeslot for the season, I went online to listen to the usual fun patter, and to enjoy that the GOP Weekly Address theme song sounds like the opening to The Simpsons. There's no GOP Weekly Address this week. They can't even agree on the five minutes of patter to say to the American people this week. I'm partying in my mind.
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Oct 11, 2015 17:22
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lmao, take it the dem 2016 thread if you want spew your complete misrepresentations again.
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Oct 11, 2015 17:26
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao, take it the dem 2016 thread if you want spew your complete misrepresentations again. What did he misrepresent in a thing that includes an actual quote from him
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Cleveland has a new report out blaming Tamir Rice for getting shot again. AP has been tweeting about it all morning.
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Rygar201 posted:Plurality Speaker and expulsions are out. Democrats biting to permit a plurality Speaker is giving them an out, and expulsions in this case would be stunningly undemocratic. We do all kinds of stunningly undemocratic things, like the existence of the senate, gerrymandering, voter ID laws, felon disenfranchisement, etc. and 2/3rds is a high bar to clear.
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Oct 11, 2015 17:41
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Quoting a man's words? Why, that's basically slander.
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Oct 11, 2015 17:45
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Dapper_Swindler posted:to be fair. everyone on both sides already knew this, it was an open secret that no one could "confirm". now its done. Krugman had a good article about this the other day: quote:But we all knew that, didn’t we?
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Oct 11, 2015 17:48
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Tatum Girlparts posted:What did he misrepresent in a thing that includes an actual quote from him Because, going over this for like the 4th time to mcallister, it is not being pro-alternative medicine, its allowing people to use their insurance to pay for it. The last half the press release is about building more of these.
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Oct 11, 2015 17:52
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Buffer posted:We do all kinds of stunningly undemocratic things, like the existence of the senate, gerrymandering, voter ID laws, felon disenfranchisement, etc. and 2/3rds is a high bar to clear. Yeah but none of those things disenfranchises angry white people, so they don't count.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Yeah but none of those things disenfranchises angry white people, so they don't count. Oh right, sorry. God forbid we force the angry white regressive descendants of confederate traitors to have election do-overs until they vote in someone who won't conspire to destroy the federal government in the basement of a mediocre tex-mex restaurant. That would be setting a dangerous precedent. E: I mean it's pure fantasy since it would never happen, but it's a fun fantasy - like the trillion dollar coin. E2: Also I'm pretty sure if they were communists they'd be expelled and tried for treason already. Buffer fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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Oct 11, 2015 18:01
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Would Ryan be more likely to take the job if Boehner promised to pass the debt ceiling increase before he leaves?
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HappyHippo posted:Would Ryan be more likely to take the job if Boehner promised to pass the debt ceiling increase before he leaves? Probably not since Ryan knows the Speaker will be crucified regardless of what's done, so why take the poisoned chalice?
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ThirdPartyView posted:Probably not since Ryan knows the Speaker will be crucified regardless of what's done, so why take the poisoned chalice? If Ryan comes to his senses he will realize that he will never achieve higher power than being Speaker. The GOP will have the house until a minimum of 2022 and possibly even later. Getting to be speaker for 6+ years isn't exactly low on the totem pole in terms of power, even if you have to deal with a bunch of poo poo birds.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Because, going over this for like the 4th time to mcallister, it is not being pro-alternative medicine, its allowing people to use their insurance to pay for it. The last half the press release is about building more of these. why should insurance be used to pay for sham medicine and sham medical procedures?
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Oct 11, 2015 18:12
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joeburz posted:why should insurance be used to pay for sham medicine and sham medical procedures? Because while being stupid is bad, going broke from being stupid and swindled is worse.
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Oct 11, 2015 18:15
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Because while being stupid is bad, going broke from being stupid and swindled is worse. so perhaps the sign that your insurance doesnt cover retard garbage should make it clear that its not actually medically worthwhile
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Oct 11, 2015 18:17
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joeburz posted:so perhaps the sign that your insurance doesnt cover retard garbage should make it clear that its not actually medically worthwhile this is the country where old people routinely complain about government intervention in their medicare
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Oct 11, 2015 18:18
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If you want to go after Bernard the smart thing would be to attack his positions on Israel which are genuinely bad and important rather than whether or not your HMO has to cover your coffee enema or whatever.
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Oct 11, 2015 18:22
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Maarek posted:If you want to go after Bernard the smart thing would be to attack his positions on Israel which are genuinely bad and important rather than whether or not your HMO has to cover your coffee enema or whatever. actually both are genuinely bad so
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Oct 11, 2015 18:23
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Do we make insurance cover all alt medicine or are trepanning, lobotomies, and burnt sacrifices to Ereshkigal excluded?
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Oct 11, 2015 18:23
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Nah I think considering where he's from it's just the trendy things like crystal therapy and 'cleanses' and all. Those are what we need to validate with implied government approval.
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It is kinda fun watching people learn that ideological purity doesn't get you far
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joeburz posted:actually both are genuinely bad so Coffee enemas don't exactly kill hundreds of civilians every year though.
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Thump! posted:Coffee enemas don't exactly kill hundreds of civilians every year though. oh word?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:First Bad Bernie position I've seen. The AWB was a bad law and doesn't need to be brough back. There are other better ways to improve gun control, including better funding for the instant background check system. I was at the event he announced this at, and he definitely spoke to mental health access, closing the gun show loophole and strengthening background checks before mentioning that he wanted to ban semiautomatic assault weapons "whose only purpose is to kill groups of people". I think he took a balanced approach to it, at least in the way he discussed it with the crowd.
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DeusExMachinima posted:He's defended his vote on the immunity act on the campaign trail more than once. "Manufacturers should be held responsible if their poo poo malfunctions, and pulling the trigger on a gun and a bullet coming out isn't malfunctioning regardless of the target" is pretty simple. Part of the shield is protecting vendors from lawsuits if they sell a firearm to people not legally able to obtain one. It does that thing where you can't just look at the fact that they sold the gun to a felon but must instead prove the dealer knew they were a felon and sold it while cackling evilly and twirling their mustaches. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-109s397enr/pdf/BILLS-109s397enr.pdf So if billy bob at the gun show sells a gun to a guy with prior convictions sans background check and he uses that gun to shoot your kid ... you can't sue billy bob for negligence. Note, please, that filing a suit an winning it are completely different things and the odds of plaintiffs winning a case against the manufacturer are non-existent but the odds of winning a suit against billy Bob are decent. If you ammended it to remove the vendor protections Bernie's argument would fly. He could also argue that the other thing was a poison pill forcing him to support the bill even though suits against negligent venders are reasonable but he isn't. Understandably. If your image is built on a mythology of refusing to compromise then you don't want to highlight situations where people would rather you compromise. Edit : oppose should have been support. Edit 2: I'm generally against all bills that deny people the right to sue or that cap damages. Usually this comes up in terms of medical torte reform debates. Harassment lawsuits should be dealt with by making the people who bring them give the target lots of money when they lose. Not by slamming court doors in their faces. McAlister fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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a shameful boehner posted:I was at the event he announced this at, and he definitely spoke to mental health access, closing the gun show loophole and strengthening background checks before mentioning that he wanted to ban semiautomatic assault weapons "whose only purpose is to kill groups of people". Yeah that all sounds reasonable but one man's "semiautomatic assault rifle," is another man's hunting rifle, and the guy who calls it a hunting rifle is way more likely to vote based on that issue. The AWB was a really bad law, poorly written with bad definition s, and bringing it back is not an auspicious proposal.
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Thump! posted:Coffee enemas don't exactly kill hundreds of civilians every year though. Yeah, just the guns he supports. Woops!
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The original one was really bad but it could be rewritten this time around so that a pistol grip doesn't magically turn a gun into an assault rifle.
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Buffer posted:We do all kinds of stunningly undemocratic things, like the existence of the senate, gerrymandering, voter ID laws, felon disenfranchisement, etc. and 2/3rds is a high bar to clear. Yeah, but that's not quite the same as saying people of X districts go gently caress yourselves, enjoy no representation in the House until you pony up for your special elections.
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Trabisnikof posted:It is kinda fun watching people learn that ideological purity doesn't get you far Yeah. Bernie's stupid on GMOs and labeling as well, but I just look past it because I care a lot more about the positions he's good on than those he's lovely on.
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Suckthemonkey posted:Yeah. Bernie's stupid on GMOs and labeling as well, but I just look past it because I care a lot more about the positions he's good on than those he's lovely on. you can still call out his poo poo when its a terrible policy position even if youre going to vote for him eqeta
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Suckthemonkey posted:Yeah. Bernie's stupid on GMOs and labeling as well, but I just look past it because I care a lot more about the positions he's good on than those he's lovely on. oh, I was talking about the freedom caucus, but if you think that applies to Sanders too
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