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Rygar201 posted:There is no real mechanism for expelling people from parties in the US though. Yes there is. It's trivially easy and it's done every primary. What do you think precinct committee people are for?
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Oct 11, 2015 21:09
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"Pity these billionaires poor listener."  - Thomas Frank, "Pity the Billionaire"
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Oct 11, 2015 21:09
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Suckthemonkey posted:Yeah. Bernie's stupid on GMOs and labeling as well... Rent-A-Cop posted:He is an old hippie from Vermont. Look at these loving hippies being all stupid about atoms 'n stuff. http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear-power/cost-nuclear-power#.VhrA7vlVhBc http://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/food-agriculture/our-failing-food-system/genetic-engineering-agriculture#.VhrBHvlVhBc loving scientists, what do they know, am I right?
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Oct 11, 2015 21:10
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It's Sunday so I'll go ahead and call Paul Ryan accepting the Speaker job Wednesday. It's unfortunate because it's such a poo poo poison pill but he totallly deserves it.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:10
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Dahbadu posted:Look at these loving hippies being all stupid about atoms 'n stuff. Union of Concerned Scientists is in fact dumb as poo poo about nuclear power, my friend. How's that alternative energy, woops I mean coal, working out for Germany after they started shuttering their nuclear plants, again?
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Oct 11, 2015 21:15
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As much as I want to see this lovely discussion, wasn't there a thread on the subject that prettymuch went over the matter that we can direct him to? E: spare yourself the wrath of fishmech and just read this. Bump it if you want to discuss it more, even: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3505076&pagenumber=1&perpage=40 Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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Oct 11, 2015 21:19
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Fried Chicken posted:Yes there is. It's trivially easy and it's done every primary. What do you think precinct committee people are for? Can party officials just straight up bar people from seeking to run in a primary?
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Oct 11, 2015 21:23
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Aliquid posted:Expelling them from the party would be totally normal and splits like that are common (or at least used to be common) in the UK. Expelling the Freedom Caucus from Congress itself would be some Roman Empire poo poo. I for one support the idea of a rump parliament.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:25
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Rygar201 posted:Can party officials just straight up bar people from seeking to run in a primary? In most states, absolutely not. Getting on the primary ballot is a simple matter of having the requisite number of signatures and often paying the correct registration fees to the state in most times. And if you win the primary, usually the only way the party can get you off the general election ballot under their party is essentially to try to get you convicted of some manner of horrible crime so that you'd have to drop out. Or to kill you.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:27
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Isn't that what occurred with the Libertarian Goat Blood Drinker in Florida?
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Oct 11, 2015 21:31
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Dahbadu posted:Look at these loving hippies being all stupid about atoms 'n stuff. There are two whole threads where you can go be mocked for that.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:31
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Because, going over this for like the 4th time to mcallister, it is not being pro-alternative medicine, its allowing people to use their insurance to pay for it. The last half the press release is about building more of these. Ignoring the internal contradiction in the section I bolded ... You are not changing my mind because you aren't addressing my concerns. My main concern is that his lobbying for alternative medicine makes him an ineffective figurehead for a push toward a public option or other steps towards national health care as compared to Clinton. I don't think progress will be easy, but I believe it is possible. Fighting to get health insurance to cover acupuncture/yoga/etc is a fun thing to do AFTER we have a national health care system. I actually support some of his initiatives, esp the yoga aka stealth exercise. Hell, If we had a solid national health care system in place I'd be lobbying for it to cover once monthly massages - other countries have found doing so reduces the occurrence of repetitive stress injuries so it both reduces overall costs and improves quality of life. But we don't have a real national health care system yet. We are "before", not "after". Now is not the time to bang that drum. . So I don't bring up that position while talking to conservative relatives because it would completely turn them off to anything I might ever have to say on the topic. Bernie not realizing that he shouldn't ask for dessert when we haven't even gotten dinner taken care of is a problem. His heart may be in the right place but his head doesn't appear to be in the game. Just as Ted Cruz's face begs to be punched, so to does Bernie's history advocating alternative medicine beg to be the subject of attack adds. Think of the damage that completely imaginary death panels did to the ACA efforts. Imagine if instead of conspiracy nonsense they'd had Obama insisting on the amendments Bernie proposed making insurance cover things that broad swathes of the population - bipartisan swathes! - consider to be luxuries at best and utter nonsense at worst. That he goes past support for reasonable things like oriental themed exercise programs and into support for bunk like naturopathy is a separate issue.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:33
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Rygar201 posted:Can party officials just straight up bar people from seeking to run in a primary? It varies by state for primary rules and county party rules for powers allotted to the chairman, so I'd have to look through all of them to see if they could just straight up do it. But they can all eject them from the local party, have their people whip against nomination papers, deny them a place on the recommended candidate card, deny funding and party resources, and sue for using the party name/logo/brand without authorization, which has the same effect.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:36
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Dahbadu posted:I agree that there are areas of gun control that are less divisive. I would argue that it isn't against the realm of possibility to come up with a palatable AWB law or adjust the framing on the issue so it's more palatable to gun owners that aren't single-issue voters. The AWB in particular is unpalatable because it largely consisted of a ban on a set of cosmetic features rather than things that affected the functioning of the gun. If you put the same gun in a redneck hunting stock, it shouldn't suddenly be OK. There aren't any areas of gun control policy that aren't highly divisive. If you're going to take the political hit for engaging on that topic you should go for something useful, like requiring private sales to go through an FFL/background checks. The actual solutions (both gun-related, as well as mental health and income inequality) are unfortunately such political footballs that they can't really be addressed.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:37
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/assault-weapon-ban-u-s-supreme-court-n442056 Speaking of AWBs.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:40
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Fried Chicken posted:It varies by state for primary rules and county party rules for powers allotted to the chairman, so I'd have to look through all of them to see if they could just straight up do it. This is all new and interesting information. Despite all this, party power is being weakened at the local level post CU v FEC? I guess a few hundred thousand dollars has a much bigger impact that far down ticket.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:46
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Fried Chicken posted:Yes there is. It's trivially easy and it's done every primary. What do you think precinct committee people are for? uh My dad was a precinct committeeman for 20-something years. All he did was organize election judges, plant yard signs, and walk around handing out pamphlets. He didn't get to decide who was or wasn't in the party.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:58
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Rygar201 posted:This is all new and interesting information. Despite all this, party power is being weakened at the local level post CU v FEC? I guess a few hundred thousand dollars has a much bigger impact that far down ticket. Yeah that's how multiple state legislatures and governorships (and a few state supreme courts) were wholly purchased in the past few years.
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Oct 11, 2015 22:15
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Rygar201 posted:This is all new and interesting information. Despite all this, party power is being weakened at the local level post CU v FEC? I guess a few hundred thousand dollars has a much bigger impact that far down ticket. Oh yeah. If they don't see you coming you could probably seize a state party for $100,000 by winning a few key intraparty seats and swinging things FuturePastNow posted:uh He was also responsible for whipping for signing nomination papers, passing the preferred candidate cards, and got a vote at the party convention. Coordinating those is how you boot someone out
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Oct 11, 2015 22:20
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Something Else posted:Sanders has repeatedly called for demilitarizing the police. Links? The first I saw him address it was in his response to ferguson where he point blank was asked if the problem was the arms or the way the police were using them and answered that the weapons were just fine. No need to disarm. The video in which he says this is still hosted by him on his senate web site. So I'm inclined to assume he still holds this stance. http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/video-audio/ferguson At 2:15 he is asked "is it the equipment or the use of the equipment that is the problem?" And answered unequivocally that the equipment is peachy keen but the police shouldn't be deploying it this way. Several people on the Internet have assured me that their head-cannon Bernie is just as far left as Reality-Clinton is in terms of demilitarizing the police but all I've seen from reality-Bernie is the opposite. Has Clinton and/or BLM "dragged" him to the left on this topic since I last checked it? Oh and someone asked about debates. First one is coming up on the 13th.
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Oct 11, 2015 22:21
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CBS News Poll is out. Top 3 for the GOP nomination? Trump - 27% Carson - 21% Cruz - 9% after that Rubio - 8% Fiorina - 6% Bush - 6% Paul - 4% Christie - 3% Huckabee - 2% Santorum - 1% Jindal - less than 0.5%
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Oct 11, 2015 22:25
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Oct 11, 2015 22:27
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Oct 11, 2015 22:28
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Fried Chicken posted:CBS News Poll is out. Top 3 for the GOP nomination? Wonder what Carson's will do in the next month or so. He's been spewing poo poo so foul not even Deckard Cain could describe it.
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Oct 11, 2015 22:30
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Waiting for Jindal to call for concentration camps for liberals to try and get badly needed publicity.
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Oct 11, 2015 22:33
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Logikv9 posted:Waiting for Jindal to call for concentration camps for liberals to try and get badly needed publicity. I assume his tax plan came up in this thread this week, right? I mean yeah, that's what all the GOP wants to do, but you don't be so explicit about it dude
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Oct 11, 2015 22:43
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Thump! posted:Coffee enemas don't exactly kill hundreds of civilians every year though. Alternative medicines and quackery likely kill or severely injure thousands a year. The deaths are just recorded as things like "cancer" or "uncontrolled hypoglycemia" instead of "the dumbass skipped chemo for a $500/week lemon oil mist and the stage I lesion metastasized" or "turns out that acupuncture isn't a replacement for insulin injections".
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Oct 11, 2015 22:46
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Shifty Pony posted:Alternative medicines and quackery likely kill or severely injure thousands a year. The deaths are just recorded as things like "cancer" or "uncontrolled hypoglycemia" instead of "the dumbass skipped chemo for a $500/week lemon oil mist and the stage I lesion metastasized" or "turns out that acupuncture isn't a replacement for insulin injections". Unless it's a chiro breaking baby's neck.
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Oct 11, 2015 22:49
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Fried Chicken posted:I assume his tax plan came up in this thread this week, right? I don't think it got discussed much because no one really cares about Howdy Doody, unless they suffer under his misrule. Christ January can't get here fast enough. I'm not fool enough to hope John Bel Edwards wins, but maybe the next Republican will be less bad. Rygar201 fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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Oct 11, 2015 22:53
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DemeaninDemon posted:Wonder what Carson's will do in the next month or so. He's been spewing poo poo so foul not even Deckard Cain could describe it. It's pretty much all foul poo poo that appeals to the base, though
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Oct 11, 2015 22:55
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Oct 11, 2015 23:10
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Check out @MarkHalperin's Tweet: https://twitter.com/MarkHalperin/status/653323697126797312?s=09
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Oct 11, 2015 23:12
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Paul MaudDib posted:The AWB in particular is unpalatable because it largely consisted of a ban on a set of cosmetic features rather than things that affected the functioning of the gun. If you put the same gun in a redneck hunting stock, it shouldn't suddenly be OK. Or, for that matter, requiring prompt and complete compliance with the background check system by local police forces and making sure appropriate funding is granted for them to do so. The background check should have stopped Dylann Root's handgun purchase, but it didn't. But yes, basically you're saying what I was trying to get at. The AWB is a bad law full of gibberish terminology and a lot of gun owners justifiably view advocacy for it as a sign that said advocate is demagoguing the issue and not presenting a serious policy position. Bernie is better than that; everywhere else he has real positions, not bullshit.
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Oct 11, 2015 23:19
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Rygar201 posted:I don't think it got discussed much because no one really cares about Howdy Doody, unless they suffer under his misrule. Christ January can't get here fast enough. I'm not fool enough room hope John Bel Edwards wins, but maybe the next Republican will be less bad. Either Edwards or Dardenne.
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Oct 11, 2015 23:21
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Swagger Dagger posted:It's pretty much all foul poo poo that appeals to the base, though I know I want him to win the nomination. 
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Oct 11, 2015 23:25
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Silly Burrito posted:Either Edwards or Dardenne. Tolerable. Vitter obviously sucks, and Angelle seems like he's nearly as big a Theocrat as Jindal. Dardenne is basically governor now anyway given how often Jindal is out of state
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Oct 11, 2015 23:28
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Democrats + non-Tea Party Republicans have a majority in the House. The "moderate" Republicans still have more in common with the Tortilla Coasters than they do with any Democrat hth
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Oct 11, 2015 23:43
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Here is a website about alternative medicine killing dudes. http://whatstheharm.net/
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Volcott posted:Here is a website about alternative medicine killing dudes. This is a mix of schadenfreude and sad.
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