|
shadow puppet of a posted:Do you mean of the Picard in a sheer thigh-high silken robe variety or just more of that velvet Elvis chiaroscuro poo poo as depicted in the post above yours? the hour-long "let's just watch the enterprise in spacedock" sequence
|
#
?
Oct 11, 2015 16:04
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 16, 2024 07:10 |
|
|
the motion picture is the bomb if you are really high
|
|
#
?
Oct 11, 2015 16:52
|
|
|
Ambrose Burnside posted:the motion picture is the bomb if you are really high or on robitussin
|
|
#
?
Oct 11, 2015 21:16
|
|
|
TEAYCHES posted:or on robitussin Can Confirm
|
|
#
?
Oct 11, 2015 21:41
|
|
|
MonsieurLongDong posted:My wife just finished TNG for the first time and watched Generations and First Contact for the first time. Both those movies are terrible hth
|
|
#
?
Oct 11, 2015 21:48
|
|
|
Nah First Contact is pretty good
|
|
#
?
Oct 11, 2015 23:24
|
|
|
Kitchner posted:Nah First Contact is pretty good it just seems like it because all the other TNG movies are such hot garbage
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 00:26
|
|
|
That porno one was actually sort of good, the worst thing in it is the gruesome, joyless loving
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 01:58
|
|
|
eSports Chaebol posted:it just seems like it because all the other TNG movies are such hot garbage No I genuinely like First Contact as it's own movie. The Bad Guy is a good Bad Guy, you get to see Earth before it was all like "Hey we live in a utopia and everything is perfect" and the movie ends with the first contact with the Vulcans, which is like "Oh poo poo and this is like where the whole thing started" The two things that ruined First Contact weren't even in the film. The first thing was Picard kills the Borg Queen and everyone is like "HA! The Hive Mind is hosed" and then in Voyager the Queen is just like "Sup guys. Oh yeah killing me makes no difference". The next was that the gap between the Vulcans being like "Holy poo poo these humans are dirty barbarians" and TOS was cool left unexplored. It could have been cool if Enterprise had explored this time properly, but it didn't so watching First Contact's ending now doesn't have the same feeling.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 03:48
|
|
|
I dunno I thought Enterprise having Vulcans in power hopeful for humans readiness and people "on the ground" being incredibly skeptical and arrogant handled that aspect just fine. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 06:03
|
|
|
i wish enterprise had had good writers and producers
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 06:05
|
|
|
Kitchner posted:The first thing was Picard kills the Borg Queen and everyone is like "HA! The Hive Mind is hosed" and then in Voyager the Queen is just like "Sup guys. Oh yeah killing me makes no difference". I dunno I figured it'd be fine I mean otherwise the hive would've been hosed when she went back in time. Shadow posted:I dunno I thought Enterprise having Vulcans in power hopeful for humans readiness and people "on the ground" being incredibly skeptical and arrogant handled that aspect just fine. That would've been fine if they hadn't combined it with totally making GBS threads the bed on the depiction of the Vulcans themselves in general. It was way better after the season 4 vulcan re-reformation episode where they sorted that poo poo out though. Terra Prime was just the kind of thing we were expecting from Enterprise.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 06:07
|
|
|
I wish these new movies weren't released. Star Trek blockbusters without a connecting series seems like the franchise is pretty much never going to bring back a series. These popcorn flicks will be forgotten and that'll be that. Sucks.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 06:09
|
|
|
Shadow posted:I wish these new movies weren't released. Star Trek blockbusters without a connecting series seems like the franchise is pretty much never going to bring back a series. These popcorn flicks will be forgotten and that'll be that. Nah, this one'll be the last, then there'll be a five year gap, then someone'll revive trek as a series.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 06:11
|
|
|
MikeJF posted:I dunno I figured it'd be fine I mean otherwise the hive would've been hosed when she went back in time. The show was clearly desperate for ratings and ruined a lot of potential. Let's not even bring up voyager. If DS9 had come out in the era of serial tv and not on some poo poo broadcast channel I think we'd have had some really good spinoffs. At this point I'm seriously thinking these stupid big budget forgettable blockbusters have ended the franchise when they decide they've made enough.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 06:13
|
|
|
MikeJF posted:Nah, this one'll be the last, then there'll be a five year gap, then someone'll revive trek as a series. I hope you're right and I'm wrong...
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 06:13
|
|
|
Shadow posted:If DS9 had come out in the era of serial tv and not on some poo poo broadcast channel I think we'd have had some really good spinoffs. At this point I'm seriously thinking these stupid big budget forgettable blockbusters have ended the franchise when they decide they've made enough. Didn't DS9 come out straight to syndication? It technically rated higher than Voyager the entire run as a result. But it wasn't Berman's baby.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 06:22
|
|
|
MikeJF posted:That would've been fine if they hadn't combined it with totally making GBS threads the bed on the depiction of the Vulcans themselves in general. The initial depiction was dumb yeah, but there were exceptions here and there. #notallvulcans I guess. I was fine with how they retconned that stuff in the re-formation episodes, explaining away their earlier behaviour as the result of a Romulan infiltration program made sense since the show was building to the war at that point anyway. If the series had continued we'd probably remember a lot of that rough early characterization a lot more favourably, or just be more willing to handwave it, even if it took a retcon to give it purpose. Enterprise is such a loving weird show compared to the others.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 06:22
|
|
|
MikeJF posted:Didn't DS9 come out straight to syndication? It technically rated higher than Voyager the entire run as a result. But it wasn't Berman's baby. By that definition I think all the modern ones were straight to syndication. With exception to ENT. but I won't pretend to be an authority on that so take this with a grain of salt
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 06:25
|
|
|
Shadow posted:If DS9 had come out in the era of serial tv and not on some poo poo broadcast channel I think we'd have had some really good spinoffs. At this point I'm seriously thinking these stupid big budget forgettable blockbusters have ended the franchise when they decide they've made enough. Or we might have gotten some really amazingly terrible spin-offs. HBO TREK with titties everywhere. Or Netflix Trek with titties everywhere, but they aren't all good titties. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 06:33
|
|
|
hmm, yes, we've evolved past primitive modesty, so everybody look at my hairy balls.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 06:34
|
|
|
Shadow posted:By that definition I think all the modern ones were straight to syndication. With exception to ENT. Voyager was the UPN flagship show. That and wrestling.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 06:36
|
|
|
MikeJF posted:Voyager was the UPN flagship show. That and wrestling. upn was such a demographic wreck of a network, i have no idea what the gently caress their executives thought they were trying to do. star trek, wrestling, and moesha
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 06:38
|
|
|
Kitchner posted:No I genuinely like First Contact as it's own movie. The Bad Guy is a good Bad Guy, you get to see Earth before it was all like "Hey we live in a utopia and everything is perfect" and the movie ends with the first contact with the Vulcans, which is like "Oh poo poo and this is like where the whole thing started" Honestly I feel like First Contact has caught a lot more poo poo in recent years less because of anything it did by itself, but because of how Voyager took stuff from it and ran it into the ground and the way the rest of the TNG movies afterward felt like they were poorly trying to copy a "winning formula"
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 08:24
|
|
|
TEAYCHES posted:upn was such a demographic wreck of a network, i have no idea what the gently caress their executives thought they were trying to do. star trek, wrestling, and moesha Sounds like a great Friday night to me!
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 08:26
|
|
|
TEAYCHES posted:upn was such a demographic wreck of a network, i have no idea what the gently caress their executives thought they were trying to do. star trek, wrestling, and moesha Shasta McNasty was their best show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Yj1r6Bz3M
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 09:16
|
|
|
TEAYCHES posted:upn was such a demographic wreck of a network, i have no idea what the gently caress their executives thought they were trying to do. star trek, wrestling, and moesha To be fair the one time they were mindful of the disjointed nature of their demographics, they greenlit Homeboys in Outer Space
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 11:34
|
|
|
Tighclops posted:Honestly I feel like First Contact has caught a lot more poo poo in recent years less because of anything it did by itself, but because of how Voyager took stuff from it and ran it into the ground and the way the rest of the TNG movies afterward felt like they were poorly trying to copy a "winning formula" All the Trek movies afterwards were trying to copy a winning formula, that's why we got reboot Kirk-Spock-McCoy, and that's why we got Khan again. It's too bad the Paramount execs don't realize that human interaction is the winning formula.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 11:43
|
|
|
Shadow posted:I dunno I thought Enterprise having Vulcans in power hopeful for humans readiness and people "on the ground" being incredibly skeptical and arrogant handled that aspect just fine. My main problem is Earth in first contact is filthy, there is poverty, it's a society rebuilt from a recent nuclear war that killed millions of people. There was no hope for a better future. We know at the end of the film the Vulcans make contact, not with a government but with an engineer, and somehow this primitive society evolves into the one we see in TOS over the space of hundreds of years. Enterprise takes place like 2/3 generations after first contact, as Cochram was still alive as an old man when the crew were growing up. This means it's like 50-75 years after the post apocalyptic society you see in first contact. Archer and the rest of his crew are in many ways more moral and "by the book" than kirk was (who just went around loving and shooting everything). The sequence of events doesn't sit right. The first forays into warp technology etc wouldn't have been captained by someone with more in common with Picard than Kirk. I'd expect them to be more cowboyish, getting into fights, sleeping with aliens, not giving a poo poo about the "rules" and then over time the Federation and starlet matures and that type of behaviour is frowned upon, which is what is implied in TNG and later. I even think they refer to Kirk etc as cowboys and say you wouldn't get away with their behaviour these days. What does archer do that shows he is the product of a society that less than 100 years ago fought a nuclear war? Basically nothing.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 14:47
|
|
|
One of them had sex with an alien, even knocked her up, but he didn't know he was having sex because the alien didn't tell him- wait- was that rape? e: wait, she knocked him up. even better.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 14:49
|
|
|
Germstore posted:One of them had sex with an alien, even knocked her up, but he didn't know he was having sex because the alien didn't tell him- wait- was that rape? That was Tucker, and instead of the entire crew being like him, cool and impulsive, they were all serious and moral and Tucker was seen as the "rebel".
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 15:06
|
|
|
Angela Christine posted:hmm, yes, we've evolved past primitive modesty, so everybody look at my hairy balls. nude weddings are a betazed tradition, your appropriation of this as a human cultural achievement is a gross reminder why we 21st century humans are such terrible barbarians
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 15:11
|
|
|
Germstore posted:One of them had sex with an alien, even knocked her up, but he didn't know he was having sex because the alien didn't tell him- wait- was that rape? Yep, tucker got raped and the rest of the crew mocked the poo poo out of him for it.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 15:17
|
|
|
Kitchner posted:My main problem is Earth in first contact is filthy, there is poverty, it's a society rebuilt from a recent nuclear war that killed millions of people. There was no hope for a better future. I think your years aren't correct. Yeah ENT and Archer took place 2-3 generations later but TOS was a solid 100 years after ENT. I mean look at how the last 100-150 years have changed society. Frankly I think timeline isn't that far fetched. TNG goes on and on about utopia. Does TOS? I forget. If not then add another near hundred years. And in that time and with replicators making hunger a distant memory (remember when we had to walk to the tv to change to one of 13 channels? Lol!) it seems reasonable. Also add in a huge leap forward in technology and the confirmation of aliens life and an entire universe waiting for us to grow up and join. That'd motivate a people fixing broken pieces to fix them productively and unite as one earth instead of nations. The last major war ended most empires (except ours) another major one could unite us as a species if it was accompanied with the hope of unlimited natural resources in space and a galactic community to join. Shadow fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Oct 12, 2015 |
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 15:20
|
|
|
Kitchner posted:Archer and the rest of his crew are in many ways more moral and "by the book" than kirk was (who just went around loving and shooting everything). I just want to point out, Kirk did not run around shooting and loving everything. The loneliness of command was a running theme, and the few times he did interfere, it was to fix somebody else's interference. Otherwise he was very much a by-the-book guy until he decided to steal the Enterprise.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 15:32
|
|
|
he only hosed members of warp capable species as is allowed by Starfleet.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 15:35
|
|
|
It was established a bunch of times that Kirk is was huge loving nerd who used to get beat up by the cool kids at the academy.
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 17:10
|
|
|
Shadow posted:I won't pretend to be an authority on that Look, somebody said something totally unprecedented in the Star Trek thread! The next Star Trek series will be on a paid cable channel, but hoping for HBO is  optimistic. It will be on a shittier channel, and it will be a dark, gritty reboot where the lights are turned down low, the captain is a secret heroin addict and the science officer is a BDSM slut and there's a terrible civil war going on in the federationIt will be Battlestartrek Galactica, written by the shitheads who wrote Heroes, filmed by the lens flare coordinator from JJ Trek
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 19:19
|
|
|
Interesting bit of Trek trivia: When the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry opened up in 1993, Andrew Probert did a painting of the Enterprise D over the Portland skyline. Only the painting was stolen a year later. To this day, noone knows how or why it was stolen, at least to my knowledge. Anyone know anything more about this?
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 20:19
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 16, 2024 07:10 |
|
|
Tujague posted:Look, somebody said something totally unprecedented in the Star Trek thread! Yeah it doesn't need to be HBO or anything crazy. Just not broadcast requiring wide nets and 18-24 episode seasons. Target the actual target and make it really tackle everything DS9 did without the fluff and what Voyager could have. FX is where BSG was on right? I think FX is a fine network for... and here's some ideas: Star Trek: Prime Directive - not so much the formation of it, but the investigation of it. It'd have to be a companion series, perhaps even a web series. Could be fun. Star Trek: The Lower Decks - a good episode from TNG and a great series from the perspective of lower ranking officers. And before they all get promoted into this or that and all take turns loving each other, end the series. It shouldn't go on more than 12 episode seasons for maybe 3 seasons. Star Trek: Ambassadors - not so much a single ambassador to a single species, but if it alternated. 12 episode seasons, 3 ambassadors, 3 episodes each and then a 3 parter to tie the stories together. Note: this formula could work for a lot of other ideas... all of which I'm willing to offer my services to help develop. PM me kthx Star Trek: Earth - so what DO those who stay behind get up to? What's life like for the brother of a starship captain. A flashback series for Ro-Bear Pic-ARD? Series ends with him dying horrifically in a fire with his family. What you got?
|
|
#
?
Oct 12, 2015 20:49
|
|